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tonyrey said:
Both the scientist and the theologian can be tempted to believe their explanation has priority even though neither is infallible…
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True. But perhaps there is a median position. I am quite happy to study and listen to the theological symbolism of Adam and Eve stories and stories of Noah’s Flood, as I do during the Easter Vigil every year. I am also quite happy to accept the scientific account of an ancient, dynamic, and evolving cosmos. I find no contradiction in holding these two positions.

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StAnastasia said:
True. But perhaps there is a median position. I am quite happy to study and listen to the theological symbolism of Adam and Eve stories and stories of Noah’s Flood, as I do during the Easter Vigil every year. I am also quite happy to accept the scientific account of an ancient, dynamic, and evolving cosmos. I find no contradiction in holding these two positions.
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When it comes to the Creation of the universe ex nihilo and of man in God’s image what is your view? You seem to have made it clear that you reject the Fall…
 
Soldier_Of_God said:
You’re simply perpetuating the false notion that theories and facts are one and the same. You may consider it hair splitting but they are real differences. The terms are used to distinguish between observations and explanations. To conflate the two is to allow for abuse by those with alterior motives or agendas.
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Maybe I got confused what a fact actually is because many Catholics in this forum claim that Christianity and the resurrection of Jesus is a fact based on the “overwhelming evidence”😉
 
tonyrey said:
When it comes to the Creation of the universe ex nihilo and of man in God’s image what is your view? You seem to have made it clear that you reject the Fall…
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You’re making up falsehoods about me again. Where did I “make it clear that I reject the ‘Fall’”?
 
StAnastasia said:
Granny, I only meant that (1) since science demonstrates that humans have a long evolutionary history, and (2) since this seems to be in conflict with your view that humans magically started with a literal Adam and Eve, we have a problem. Either Granny and the Catechism are right and the worlds hundreds of thousands of scientists are wrong, or the reverse is true.

Or perhaps there is middle ground. Perhaps we could say that science is telling the truth for non-Catholics and for Catholics who accept evolutionary science, but that you and the Catechism are likewise telling the truth for your own constituency. In other words, I’m arguing for a both/and solution, a win/win situation, that respects the integrity of both science and religion!

StAnastasia
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Truth is independent of the audience in which it is presented, otherwise it is not truth.

I believe you present a false dicotomy in the first paragraph above. When a scientist denies the Church’s dogma of a single pair of the first humans, they have crossed boundry between fact and supposition. Their position may be based on evidence. But this evidence spotty at best. How could any any of the physical evidence provide any evidence of the soul - that part of us that makes us uniquely human?
 
Lui said:
Maybe I got confused what a fact actually is because many Catholics in this forum claim that Christianity and the resurrection of Jesus is a fact based on the “overwhelming evidence”😉
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Attempts at addressing the distinction seem to meet a fair amount of resistance from you. It appears you merely lack comprehension rather than suffer from confusion. 😉
 
StAnastasia said:
When it comes to the Creation of the universe ex nihilo and of man in God’s image what is your view? You seem to have made it clear that you reject the Fall…
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Again?

You implied that primitive man was not the first moral being on this planet.

When it comes to the Creation of the universe ex nihilo and of man in God’s image what is your view?
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Lui said:
Ah, the magical word miracle that you can always whip out when an occasion goes against any sane logic like a human living in a giant tuna(or shark).
Me believing in evolution is considered as ignorant though, even though the evidence is overwhelming and even the Pope believes in it.

Well, if you believe that the earth is only 12000 years old, you MUST believe that dinos and humans once lived together even without the "soft tissue"being found by a scientist who still believes in evolution.

I might be ignorant for believing in evolution but at least I share my beliefs with the majority of all educated people including the Pope.

Science will never recognize that the earth is young. Time will not show that Young Earth Creationists are right. I believe in time science will prove more and more things that disprove claims made by the Bible.
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Catholics see the creation event as a miracle. It is by no means a stretch to have such a minor thing like Jonah happen. The Fatima Miracle of the Sun event was much more difficult.

I posted the earth is at least 12,000 years old. How much older I am not sure.

There is much safety in consensus. 🙂 No risk at all… But is is true?
 
StAnastasia said:
But Inocente, “explain these phenomena” does not mean explaining them away. It is perfectly possible to study of correlations of neural phenomena with subjective experiences of spirituality without claiming that you are explaining away spirituality. If you can identify neurochemical correlates to your subjective experience of love for your spouse, does that explain away your love?
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guanophore asked if science can examine the spiritual, and I was just quoting Wikipedia which says there’s a branch which does just that. Agreed that the subjective quality of feelings is inexplicable, and whether the science is any good I wouldn’t know, not having studied it, but if I happened to have access to an MRI scanner then I probably couldn’t resist looking at what goes on in the brain during “spiritual episodes”.
 
Soldier_Of_God said:
Attempts at addressing the distinction seem to meet a fair amount of resistance from you. It appears you merely lack comprehension rather than suffer from confusion. 😉
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Not really. I just consider evolution as a fact because although a theory the evidence is so overwhelming that I don’t question it just like I don’t question that Obama is the President of the USA.
Who knows if that’s true and we’re actually all just an illusion. If you look at it this way facts don’t exist.
If it satisfies you then I will admit evolution is just a theory just like Christianity.😉
 
buffalo said:
The Fatima Miracle of the Sun event was much more difficult.
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Lol, if you believe it.
Siegfried said:
I posted the earth is at least 12,000 years old. How much older I am not sure.
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Even if the earth was 120000 years old that won’t cut it since dinosaurs have been extinct for 65 million years.
buffalo said:
There is much safety in consensus. 🙂 No risk at all… But is is true?
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No, I guess this theme park will tell children the real “truth” :rolleyes: thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/12/02/132970/kentucky-park-dinosaurs/

Unbelievable that such grotesque nonsense takes place in the 21st century.
 
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