And if it did turn out to be true, science would then have to explain why the human genome appears to support a constant ancestry of 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs. Perhaps we could argue that God created single Adamic couple, but left faked evidence to suggest to scientists that there had been thousands more humans in the breeding population at the time. Since God determines morality, it would not be immoral of God to falsify evidence.II am talking about assertions science can evaluate, such as " all humans are descended from one man and one woman.’ And even if that turns out to be true, it would not validate the rest of the Eden story.
Like I said before IF science one day proves without a doubt that Adam and Eve never existed, people will continue to believe anyway. People have the tendency to believe what they want to believe.I was not talking about things outside the competence of science to evaluate, such as miracles, which science cannot evaluate because they only happen once, if at all. I am talking about assertions science can evaluate, such as " all humans are descended from one man and one woman.’ And even if that turns out to be true, it would not validate the rest of the Eden story.
In the first three chapters of Genesis, I can only think of two or possibly three major things which would be validated by the truth of monogenism.I was not talking about things outside the competence of science to evaluate, such as miracles, which science cannot evaluate because they only happen once, if at all. I am talking about assertions science can evaluate, such as " all humans are descended from one man and one woman.’ And even if that turns out to be true, it would not validate the rest of the Eden story.
If I remember rightly, what Buffalo said was that he believed the world was “at least 12,000 years old,” and beyond that was not prepared to say.Well, if you believe that the earth is only 12000 years old, you MUST believe that dinos and humans once lived together even without the "soft tissue"being found by a scientist who still believes in evolution.
God’s creative power is not limited by the limits of the natural world. God is supernatural.And if it did turn out to be true, science would then have to explain why the human genome appears to support a constant ancestry of 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs. Perhaps we could argue that God created single Adamic couple, but left faked evidence to suggest to scientists that there had been thousands more humans in the breeding population at the time. Since God determines morality, it would not be immoral of God to falsify evidence.
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This is impossible. Either evolution happened or it didn’t. If it did, it is “true for” everybody; if it didn’t, it is “false for” everybody. The same theory cannot be true for some and false for others at the same time and in the same sense.Or perhaps there is middle ground. Perhaps we could say that science is telling the truth for non-Catholics and for Catholics who accept evolutionary science, but that you and the Catechism are likewise telling the truth for your own constituency. In other words, I’m arguing for a both/and solution, a win/win situation, that respects the integrity of both science and religion!
Thank you.This is impossible. Either evolution happened or it didn’t. If it did, it is “true for” everybody; if it didn’t, it is “false for” everybody. The same theory cannot be true for some and false for others at the same time and in the same sense.
Of course, different constituencies can believe opposite things, but that means that at least one side must be wrong. If you are using the word “truth” as a synonym for “belief,” you are falling into the confusion of the relativists. Truth is often independent of belief.
Yeah but he also says that he believes that the distance between NY and LA is more than 100 yards but he can’t say how much more BUT there are studies that show you can walk the distance in 30 minutes.If I remember rightly, what Buffalo said was that he believed the world was “at least 12,000 years old,” and beyond that was not prepared to say.
Of course, that’s like saying, “I believe the distance from New York to Los Angeles is at least 100 yards, but beyond that I’m not prepared to say.”
So, SGWessells, into which camp do you fall? Human evolution did happen, or it didn’t? Granny is in the “human evolution didn’t happen” camp; I’m in the “human evolution did happen” camp. I’m also in the “I believe in God” camp.This is impossible. Either evolution happened or it didn’t. If it did, it is “true for” everybody; if it didn’t, it is “false for” everybody. The same theory cannot be true for some and false for others at the same time and in the same sense.
Of course, different constituencies can believe opposite things, but that means that at least one side must be wrong. If you are using the word “truth” as a synonym for “belief,” you are falling into the confusion of the relativists. Truth is often independent of belief.
Please remember that evolution has a variety of meanings in the 21st century.So, SGWessells, into which camp do you fall? Human evolution did happen, or it didn’t? Granny is in the “human evolution didn’t happen” camp; I’m in the “human evolution did happen” camp. I’m also in the “I believe in God” camp.
A false dilemma! Either evolution **occurred **by Design, it happened for no reason or it didn’t occur at all.Either evolution happened or it didn’t.
I’m in the “human evolution definitely did happen, and there’s no evidence that a god had anything to do with it” camp, and the “if that is true, then it is ‘true for’ everybody” camp. Also the “I believe there may be a god but the Christian version seems very unlikely” camp.So, SGWessells, into which camp do you fall? Human evolution did happen, or it didn’t? Granny is in the “human evolution didn’t happen” camp; I’m in the “human evolution did happen” camp. I’m also in the “I believe in God” camp.
It is more in keeping with Catholic doctrine to believe God inspired a single couple and gave them the power to distinguish and choose between doing what is right or wrong. Otherwise there must have been complete continuity between their non-human parents and therefore there cannot be any essential difference between human beings and animals.Perhaps we could argue that God created single Adamic couple, but left faked evidence to suggest to scientists that there had been thousands more humans in the breeding population at the time.
In my previous post 1567, I commented: “Attention to nitty-gritty details is the hallmark of good science. It is important to pay attention. Thank you.”I’m in the “human evolution definitely did happen, and there’s no evidence that a god had anything to do with it” camp, and the “if that is true, then it is ‘true for’ everybody” camp. Also the “I believe there may be a god but the Christian version seems very unlikely” camp.
As far as science is concerned the supernatural doesn’t even exist! **And if it did turn out to be true, science would then have to explain why the human genome appears to support a constant ancestry of 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs. Perhaps we could argue that God created single Adamic couple, but left faked evidence to suggest to scientists that there had been thousands more humans in the breeding population at the time. Since God determines morality, it would not be immoral of God to falsify evidence.
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What evidence is there that human beings are animals in every respect? Do you find no differentiating features?I’m in the “human evolution definitely did happen, and there’s no evidence that a god had anything to do with it” camp, and the “if that is true, then it is ‘true for’ everybody” camp. Also the “I believe there may be a god but the Christian version seems very unlikely” camp.
When one trains one’s eye to see science from the 21st century position, one should ask more scientific questions about this “camp” theory of “human evolution didn’t happen.” Please refer back to posts 1567 and 1571 for initial suggestions. Thank you.So, SGWessells, into which camp do you fall? Human evolution did happen, or it didn’t? Granny is in the “human evolution didn’t happen” camp; I’m in the “human evolution did happen” camp. I’m also in the “I believe in God” camp.
No, what it means is that God didn’t create human nature in the way you think he did. There are a lot of ways God could have created human nature.What the 10,000 breeding pairs means is that God did not participate in creating human nature.
There are only two options that you recognize as possibilities. There are a lot of other religions that teach other options.When it comes to human nature, there are only two options. Either human’s spiritual soul exists because God necessarily created it or it doesn’t exist because according to evolution theory, the spiritual soul is not a necessary part of human nature because everything emerges from an evovling material anatomy.
Not a false dilemma. If evolution happened by design or for no reason, it still happened in both cases; you are simply dividing one of my alternatives into two subsets; you are not creating a third alternative… In context, my post responded to one which to me implied that it could have happened “for” one group but not “for” another.A false dilemma! Either evolution **occurred **by Design, it happened for no reason or it didn’t occur at all.