Science & Religion

[StAnastasia]

No surprise here. Shows a lack of philosophical training. It shows education is out of balance. I suggest all students take a mandatory philosophy course.

buffalo, you’re absolutely right! My son is getting a philosophy course in his public high school.

 

[StAnastasia]

True, we’ve been over this already.

And you’re going to have to put your case for Noah’s flood to a more important venue than this. You might propose a paper to the American Geophysical Union.

 

[You]

Lui:

Originally Posted by inocente
One of my more geekish hobbies is googling sentences, as it sometimes finds truly amazing coincidences.

Brilliant

No coincidence I only read Geology. Brilliant deduction, I read geology. Brilliant! Splendid! Wonderful!

 

[buffalo]

buffalo, you’re absolutely right! My son is getting a philosophy course in his public high school.

Really? Elective or mandatory?

 

[You]

And you’re going to have to put your case for Noah’s flood to a more important venue than this. You might propose a paper to the American Geophysical Union.

No need. They know all about it. They have been teaching it for as long as the plate tectonics idea has been around, almost.

 

[Lui]

I distinctly remember Lui telling me he would not believe anything I said because St. A poisoned the well by posting a detraction against You’s good name.

Eh, if you keep on mentioning what I said or did not say, then at least get it right. You sell yourself as Mr. Know it all who wants to inspire people’s imagination as if we are all a bunch of 1st graders who are being taught how the world works by some enthusiastic temp who wants to become a teacher.
I asked you to tell me what qualifies you as an expert. Since you refused to answer, which is your good right, I chose not to soak up all your infos as undeniable facts. Now knowing that your whole expertise is actually scraped together from Wiki and other sites, and you use quotes as if you actually said it yourself(without pointing out it is a quote), I have even more doubts.

No coincidence I only read Geology. Brilliant deduction, I read geology. Brilliant! Splendid! Wonderful!

Yeah, but you copied and pasted quotes from other sites, deleted parts and made it sound like you wrote the whole thing yourself. It’s alright to quote from other sites but then it should be clear that’s it’s a quote.

 

[StAnastasia]

Really? Elective or mandatory?

I believe his is mandatory, as he has a very constrained curriculum in his International Baccalaureate High School.

 

[StAnastasia]

No need. They know all about it. They have been teaching it for as long as the plate tectonics idea has been around, almost.

I doubt it. I’ve never seen Noah’s Flood mentioned in any of the literature. And again, Mt. Shasta has never been under water.

 

[Lui]

Yet the geologic fact remains, every bit of the earth was under water! Just like Noah said…

Did Noah say this? I though he just experienced the global flood, built a boat and collected a bunch of animals.
Noah didn’t say “did you know that at one point in history all parts have been under water at one time or the other?”

The story of Noah claims that the whole world was flooded at once killing all life while he was on a boat with the only life that survived and that all life today are the descendants from the passengers of the Ark.
Sorry, that’s not how it happened.

 

[You]

Did Noah say this? I though he just experienced the global flood, built a boat and collected a bunch of animals.
Noah didn’t say “did you know that at one point in history all parts have been under water at one time or the other?”

The story of Noah claims that the whole world was flooded at once killing all life while he was on a boat with the only life that survived and that all life today are the descendants from the passengers of the Ark.
Sorry, that’s not how it happened.

What happened all the animals in England when it sank beneath the sea on one of its many sojourns on the seabed. Did all the animals with breath in their nostrils perish in the rising waters. And this was repeated all over the world at different times and places. So that today we have a collection of species descended from the few animal designs which survived.

 

[inocente]

No surprise here. Shows a lack of philosophical training. It shows education is out of balance.

I suggest all students take a mandatory philosophy course.

Yes, when Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these”, He obviously meant they first MUST take a mandatory philosophy course and then practice for fifty years. Makes perfect sense when you think about it, only trained philosophers could possibly appreciate the kingdom of heaven, utterly ludicrous to think for even one moment it could belong to little children.

 

[StAnastasia]

Did Noah say this? I though he just experienced the global flood, built a boat and collected a bunch of animals. Noah didn’t say “did you know that at one point in history all parts have been under water at one time or the other?” The story of Noah claims that the whole world was flooded at once killing all life while he was on a boat with the only life that survived and that all life today are the descendants from the passengers of the Ark. Sorry, that’s not how it happened.

Lui, this is all rather silly. The legendary Noah or his real counterpart perhaps lived a few thousand years ago, perhaps survived a local flood in the Black Sea region, perhaps saved his family and a few chickens and goats, and thus passed into Ancient Near Eastern (and Hebrew) legend as the savior of humanity during the “Great flood.”

But I stand my my claim that Mt. Shasta began to grow 593,000 years ago, long before the legendary before Noah, and that my mountain has never been covered with sea water, and has no marine fossils in its many volcanic layers.

 

[grannymh]

According to Six Reasons Young Christians Leave Church, “One of the reasons young adults feel disconnected from church or from faith is the tension they feel between Christianity and science. The most common of the perceptions in this arena is “Christians are too confident they know all the answers” (35%). Three out of ten young adults with a Christian background feel that “churches are out of step with the scientific world we live in” (29%). Another one-quarter embrace the perception that “Christianity is anti-science” (25%). And nearly the same proportion (23%) said they have “been turned off by the creation-versus-evolution debate.” Furthermore, the research shows that many science-minded young Christians are struggling to find ways of staying faithful to their beliefs and to their professional calling in science-related industries.”

How can I put this gently? When I try to use the word Catholic as much as I can?

The Catholic Church is different from the 25,000-30,000 other Christian faiths.

While the fallout of the “Adam is nonsense” approach to Divine Revelation has resulted in the loss of Catholic membership, the Catholic Church does not intend to turn over God’s creative powers to 10,000 breeding pairs because of a choice made by young Christians as reported in a survey. By the way, Catholicism teaches that all people have free choice because they are part of the unity of humanity derived from two founders and not from miscellaneous 10,000 breeding pairs developing this way and that over a period of time.

I cannot speak for other Christian Faiths, but, in my humble opinion, it is time for Catholic apologetics to address the 21st Century. And I don’t mean that Catholic apologetics should submit to the half-century old theological movement to change the Catholic Church. Sad to say, pride can sustain movements for what seems forever.

 

[grannymh]

Yes, when Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these”, He obviously meant they first MUST take a mandatory philosophy course and then practice for fifty years. Makes perfect sense when you think about it, only trained philosophers could possibly appreciate the kingdom of heaven, utterly ludicrous to think for even one moment it could belong to little children.

It is easier for children to trust God. That is why we should imitate them.

 

[rossum]

Lui, this is all rather silly. The legendary Noah or his real counterpart perhaps lived a few thousand years ago, perhaps survived a local flood in the Black Sea region, perhaps saved his family and a few chickens and goats, and thus passed into Ancient Near Eastern (and Hebrew) legend as the savior of humanity during the “Great flood.”

I suspect that there is also an element of, “You call this a flood? Why in my grandfather’s time there was a real flood…” As time passed the historic flood became larger and larger in folk memory.

But I stand my my claim that Mt. Shasta began to grow 593,000 years ago, long before the legendary before Noah, and that my mountain has never been covered with sea water, and has no marine fossils in its many volcanic layers.

You are, of course, correct. There are many volcanic mountains whose peaks have never been underwater.

rossum

 

[grannymh]

This gentle reader wouldn’t know granny, Genesis seems to have cornered the market. Apparently there are 1,074 chapters in the NAB Old Testament, and we’ve still not finished discussing the first nine of them after 1,800 posts :yawn:. At that rate it would take around another 200,000 posts to reach the first page of Matthew.

May I gently suggest that you use the* Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition*.

 

[Lui]

What happened all the animals in England when it sank beneath the sea on one of its many sojourns on the seabed. Did all the animals with breath in their nostrils perish in the rising waters. And this was repeated all over the world at different times and places. So that today we have a collection of species descended from the few animal designs which survived.

No, because when these parts of land were under water animals didn’t exist yet. By the time animals evolved from single-cell organisms, there were no floods that buried all parts of the earth anymore.
The link you posted clearly said that.

 

[You]

Eh, if you keep on mentioning what I said or did not say, then at least get it right. You sell yourself as Mr. Know it all who wants to inspire people’s imagination as if we are all a bunch of 1st graders who are being taught how the world works by some enthusiastic temp who wants to become a teacher.
I asked you to tell me what qualifies you as an expert. Since you refused to answer, which is your good right, I chose not to soak up all your infos as undeniable facts. Now knowing that your whole expertise is actually scraped together from Wiki and other sites, and you use quotes as if you actually said it yourself(without pointing out it is a quote), I have even more doubts.

Yeah, but you copied and pasted quotes from other sites, deleted parts and made it sound like you wrote the whole thing yourself. It’s alright to quote from other sites but then it should be clear that’s it’s a quote.

Lui, I’ve told you many times, all of this stuff you will find in any introduction to geology books, where do you think anyone finds it. I have told you repeatedly to read it there for yourself. You do not need me to tell you introductory type geology, just read it.
I would scrape facts from anywhere as long as it is a reputable source, I don’t need to type something I want to say if I can copyapasta it, I don’t need to attribute a quote, this is a message forum which consigns our posts to the scrapheap in a couple of hours. I don’t want to post links unless someone asks for the source because its a pain in the elbow copyapastaing things nobody is interested in anyway. If you want a source just ask instead of complaining and threatening an armageddon of mods, copyright lawyers, legal eagles, cats and dogs and so on and so on.

 

[davidv]

I doubt it. I’ve never seen Noah’s Flood mentioned in any of the literature. And again, Mt. Shasta has never been under water.

Why do you think that Noah’s Flood is a singular event instead of the truth stated in the geology texts that address a continuum of time over which all of the material making up the currect surface of the earth was underwater at some point?

 

[You]

I doubt it. I’ve never seen Noah’s Flood mentioned in any of the literature. And again, Mt. Shasta has never been under water.

Its probably the first thing you learn in plate tectonic school. There were many volcanoes after Noahs Flood, didn’t you know that. Its just part of nature.