Hi crowonsnow,
You are making a lot of sense, crow. This “revealed truth” just sounds like circular reasoning. The idea was supposed to be that religious reasoning includes scientific reasoning? But scientific reasoning understands circular reasoning. It deems it irrational.
Scientific reasoning understands “circular reasoning” as irrational because it is blind to the singular case where circular reasoning is correct, being the case as regards God, because it WILL not (it actively refuses to) be governed by anything except itself.
And it (scientific reasoning) is inherently incapable of doing that (governing itself) because of it’s own admitted limitation, which is that it admits to no absolute certainty of the “truth” of anything, that there is no “dogma”, but only that it has “faith” in the propensity of the evidence.
In reality, science is just another faith, and one which holds as dogma that dogma doesn’t exist.
It is therefore a faith, a religion, of inherent self-contradiction, as long as it doesn’t accept true religion, the ONE which knows how to “stop the recursion up one’s own backside” by accepting revealed dogma which actually is from God who is the only source from which that dogma could possibly come.
You aren’t supposed to assume the premise you are trying to demonstrate. Another term for religious reasoning is “begging the question.”
But we’re (the “religious”) not trying to “demonstrate” anything.
We’re simply trying to get others to do their own “experiment” which would supply them the answer to the question of God.
We’re not trying to “prove” anything to anyone. We’re merely suggesting that it’s a good idea to do what one needs to do to find out about God, as opposed to needing proof of God before believing in God, since God can only prove Himself, and won’t do so until He is believed in.
Those who believe in the religion called “science” (more properly called “scientism” or “scientistic materialism”) have no belief in ANY religion, even their own, as it’s impossible to do so because truth is only “believed” if it is first assumed and then that belief is tested and found true.
The scientistic materialist refuses to do this “testing sequence” for any faith other than his presumed one, then he rabidly denies that he even did the “experiment” on his own religion.
That kind of self-contradictory behavior, followed by an obscurant denial type behavior, makes the truly religious quite amused with the hypocrisy of said (and sad) “scientistic materialists”.
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Otherwise you wouldn’t be here now would you?