Scientific proof of God.

[freethinker83]

Why is it our job to instruct you? Once again , assumption. Do you sit in your living room and expect the Dean of Harvard to come there and teach you law?

I was saying that I am aware of the Gospel, not that I needed to become aware. I was asking if he could somehow argue that I am not aware of the Gospel.

 

[Robert_Burns]

My misconceptions of what Catholics believe do not come from malice but ignorance. As I said, I am here partially to learn.

I did not mean to insult God, nor did I say I believed in other Gods. I believe in no Gods. This is not meant to insult anyone.

Go ahead and report me if you like. You seem to assume the worst of me.

I feel as though you are personally attacking me because I don’t share your beliefs. I have no ill-will towards anyone here.

Then perhaps you should spend more time asking questions about what Catholics believe and less time assuming you already know , only to be proven wrong.

When you say “Your GOD” that is insulting. To GOD. So we do expect an apology.

As for reporting you , if or when you use the term “Your God” again , rest assured , I will.

Not really , I dont assume anything , in fact , point out a single comment by me that is a personal attack. Even now. I have been commenting solely on your commentary. Read the thread. Read what you wrote and where and THEN read my answer. I submit that it is you who is personally attacking both GOD , me and all the other Catholics in here based entirely on their beliefs or you wouldnt phrase your posts in the manner in which you do.

 

[Robert_Burns]

I was saying that I am aware of the Gospel, not that I needed to become aware. I was asking if he could somehow argue that I am not aware of the Gospel.

Define the term “aware”.

 

[freethinker83]

Then perhaps you should spend more time asking questions about what Catholics believe and less time assuming you already know , only to be proven wrong.

When you say “Your GOD” that is insulting. To GOD. So we do expect an apology.

As for reporting you , if or when you use the term “Your God” again , rest assured , I will.

Not really , I dont assume anything , in fact , point out a single comment by me that is a personal attack. Even now. I have been commenting solely on your commentary. Read the thread. Read what you wrote and where and THEN read my answer. I submit that it is you who is personally attacking both GOD , me and all the other Catholics in here based entirely on their beliefs or you wouldnt phrase your posts in the manner in which you do.

I have asked what Catholics believe. I started a very interesting thread in the Catholic family life section asking people opinions on what should be taught in public school regarding evolution. It has been a generally polite, engaging, and informative thread. It changed some of my preconceived notions of what many Catholics think of science education.

My original post in this thread simply stated why one of the videos from the OP did not convince me, an atheist, that there must be a God. I don’t see how this is insulting in any way.

I guess “personal attack” is strong wording. I do feel as though you are piling on me–you also accused me of thinking improperly or something when saying I personally needed evidence before faith. I never said it was wrong for other people to believe based on faith.

I do not believe I attacked God or any of his followers in this thread. I was simply explaining why I personally cannot currently believe in God. I never claimed there was no God or anything of the sort.

Peace

 

[Cat_Herder]

Define the term “aware”.

The real question depends on willful v. invincible ignorance. To tell whether anyone is invincibly ignorant or not I would have to be able to analyze their thoughts and, obviously, neither I nor anyone here other than God can do that.

That is why it is written:

[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 4:5[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[Barbkw]

Discovery, Science, various similar programs enjoying advancing the lie that Catholics and Christians are against science.

These programs are also in the habit of never mentioning that the Catholic Church created universities as a system for education and they will never include Catholic scientists and their contribution to science in their programming.

A Catholic priest and physicist worked out the math behind what he called the “hypothesis of the primeval atom”. Today, his theory is called the Big Bang.

 

[freethinker83]

The real question depends on willful v. invincible ignorance. To tell whether anyone is invincibly ignorant or not I would have to be able to analyze their thoughts and, obviously, neither I nor anyone here other than God can do that.

That is why it is written:

[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 4:5[/BIBLEDRB]

From my understanding of these terms I would be willfully ignorant. Unless I could argue that my mind simply cannot accept these beliefs.

 

[JulieAA]

From my understanding of these terms I would be willfully ignorant. Unless I could argue that my mind simply cannot accept these beliefs.

Your mind will not grasp anything unless your heart grasps it first…said with all due respect!

Sorry, I have not read the entire postings here, but I am just curious. Have you been an atheist all of your life?

 

[freethinker83]

Have you been an atheist all of your life?

No, but my family never regularly attended church. Despite this, my mom always had a strong belief in God, and as a result I also did. My dad never said much in the way of God and I now assume he is an atheist (yes my parents are still married). The church we occasionally went to was a Presbytarian church; my grandmother is very involved there. I lost my belief around the time I started college. Here is a blog description of it:
sreramblings.blogspot.com/

 

[Robert_Burns]

The real question depends on willful v. invincible ignorance. To tell whether anyone is invincibly ignorant or not I would have to be able to analyze their thoughts and, obviously, neither I nor anyone here other than God can do that.

That is why it is written:

[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 4:5[/BIBLEDRB]

Well said:thumbsup:

 

[Robert_Burns]

From my understanding of these terms I would be willfully ignorant. Unless I could argue that my mind simply cannot accept these beliefs.

Once again - why is the fulcrum based on what you say you believe? Isnt the topic whether or not GOD exists? Not what you believe or disbelieve?

 

[Robert_Burns]

Discovery, Science, various similar programs enjoying advancing the lie that Catholics and Christians are against science.

These programs are also in the habit of never mentioning that the Catholic Church created universities as a system for education and they will never include Catholic scientists and their contribution to science in their programming.

A Catholic priest and physicist worked out the math behind what he called the “hypothesis of the primeval atom”. Today, his theory is called the Big Bang.

And isnt Science an ongoing study? Therefore saying what one will or will not believe has no place in Science , hense Science itself can never prove or disprove anything in regards to religion having development itself as its reson for existance. Therefore do we see the Atheist distancing himself from Scientific Proof argument into an argument of what he is or isnt willing to believe which for all intents and purposes is the realm of religion. .

 

[Barbkw]

And isnt Science an ongoing study? Therefore saying what one will or will not believe has no place in Science , hense Science itself can never prove or disprove anything in regards to religion having development itself as its reson for existance. Therefore do we see the Atheist distancing himself from Scientific Proof argument into an argument of what he is or isnt willing to believe which for all intents and purposes is the realm of religion. .

I’ve noticed that about atheists.

Their howl used to be that Christians were unintelligent, where as they were of the intelligentsia and therefore and had no need for faith and God.

Now that science supports reason for a Prime Mover, atheists run from the scientific proof.

 

[JackQ]

Not true. Being an atheist doesn’t mean I know there is no God, it means that I don’t believe there is a God. Agnostics can fall into many different categories; some believe it is unknowable and therefore not important, others believe there is, others that there isn’t, etc.

What’s the difference between an atheist who doesn’t believe there is a God, but doesn’t know it, and an agnostic who believes exactly the same way?

 

[freethinker83]

I’ve noticed that about atheists.

Their howl used to be that Christians were unintelligent, where as they were of the intelligentsia and therefore and had no need for faith and God.

Now that science supports reason for a Prime Mover, atheists run from the scientific proof.

I would definitely not say Christians are unintelligent. Well of course some are but most aren’t; you could say the same thing for any other group though

If you want me to tell you why I think belief in God is irrational I will, but I don’t really feel like being lambasted! I think I’ve had enough for the day lol. It’s pretty exhausting participating in a forum where one is of the unpopular view.

 

[freethinker83]

What’s the difference between an atheist who doesn’t believe there is a God, but doesn’t know it, and an agnostic who believes exactly the same way?

From an article on about.com "Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not. "

I guess if you want to be technical about it you could say I’m an agnostic atheist. One can also be an agnostic theist. I don’t really like to get tied down with terminology though. A summary of my view is this: I do not accept the claim that God exists. I do not deny the possibility, but I think it is extremely unlikely.

One reason I come on religious forums is to learn. Another is to try to show that atheists don’t usually fit some stereotypes some people hold against us and that we are not to be feared. I am not a depressed person who feels life is a meaningless exercise; in fact I am quite the opposite. I try to my best to be a good person and to enjoy life.

 

[JackQ]

From an article on about.com "Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not. "

I guess if you want to be technical about it you could say I’m an agnostic atheist. One can also be an agnostic theist. I don’t really like to get tied down with terminology though. A summary of my view is this: I do not accept the claim that God exists. I do not deny the possibility, but I think it is extremely unlikely.

One reason I come on religious forums is to learn. Another is to try to show that atheists don’t usually fit some stereotypes some people hold against us and that we are not to be feared. I am not a depressed person who feels life is a meaningless exercise; in fact I am quite the opposite. I try to my best to be a good person and to enjoy life.

I never heard that I was supposed to fear atheists.

Anyway, you say you do not accept the claim that God exists. What would convince you?

 

[freethinker83]

I never heard that I was supposed to fear atheists.

Anyway, you say you do not accept the claim that God exists. What would convince you?

I can’t name every possibility, but here are some I can think of.

Firsthand- God speaking directly to me or revealing himself to me in a very clear way.

Secondhand with evidence- A video or many trusted first-hand modern day accounts of a biblical type miracle. By biblical type miracle I mean something akin to walking on water, a sea parting, someone being raised from the dead, etc.

Also, something mainstream scientists may accept as scientific proof. I can’t describe this because it doesn’t yet exist.

 

[Robert_Burns]

From an article on about.com "Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not. "

I guess if you want to be technical about it you could say I’m an agnostic atheist. One can also be an agnostic theist. I don’t really like to get tied down with terminology though. A summary of my view is this: I do not accept the claim that God exists. I do not deny the possibility, but I think it is extremely unlikely.

One reason I come on religious forums is to learn. Another is to try to show that atheists don’t usually fit some stereotypes some people hold against us and that we are not to be feared. I am not a depressed person who feels life is a meaningless exercise; in fact I am quite the opposite. I try to my best to be a good person and to enjoy life.

But I object to your answers simply because of the title of this thread - Scientific Proof of GOD - which by this exercise - as anyone can see - has come full circle to the point of you attempting to tell us what you will or will not believe as though that has any relevance to the subject matter.

GOD Chose the manner in which he revealed his only begotten Son to the world. So your disagreement is with him , not with us as Christians who have little difficulty recognising this simple truth that seemingly is a stumbling block to you. Perhaps you think GOD hasnt done a good enough job revealing himself to you in order to suit YOU? Is that the gist of your argument?

Apparently so. I find little common ground in which to debate and individual who cannot even come to the simple truth of the existance of GOD. In a spiritual sense - its like trying to discuss quantum physics with a 3 month old baby. Sure , you could do it - but until that baby matures - its a waste of time.

If or when you mature Spiritually , we can discuss Religion. You have already failed in the Scientific realm , as proven by this little exercise.

Be well

Pax

 

[freethinker83]

But I object to your answers simply because of the title of this thread - Scientific Proof of GOD - which by this exercise - as anyone can see - has come full circle to the point of you attempting to tell us what you will or will not believe as though that has any relevance to the subject matter.

GOD Chose the manner in which he revealed his only begotten Son to the world. So your disagreement is with him , not with us as Christians who have little difficulty recognising this simple truth that seemingly is a stumbling block to you. Perhaps you think GOD hasnt done a good enough job revealing himself to you in order to suit YOU? Is that the gist of your argument?

Apparently so. I find little common ground in which to debate and individual who cannot even come to the simple truth of the existance of GOD. In a spiritual sense - its like trying to discuss quantum physics with a 3 month old baby. Sure , you could do it - but until that baby matures - its a waste of time.

If or when you mature Spiritually , we can discuss Religion. You have already failed in the Scientific realm , as proven by this little exercise.

Be well

Pax

I am not sure I understand you correctly. I do not accept what is claimed as scientific proof of God as scientific proof.