Scientists announced today that they have created the first successful human-animal hybrids

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Reepicheep said:
Using animals to produce organs or tissues for transplant to humans for medical reasons sounds perfectly ethical to me. The donor animals are certainly not hybrids.

Chimeras–human/beast combinations meant to give animal traits to humans–sound very evil.
True animal/human hybrids sound much more evil, and also not possible.
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What animal traits are being given to humans. What is being done is to grow human organs inside*animals.
 
EIF5A said:
The troubling part is this is only the beginning.

It may be permissive now because no human life was destroyed, but this technology will allow unscrupulous scientists to create actual human:animal hybrids with fertilized human embryos.

Human embryos are already researched on. And since secularists don’t view embryos as humans, in their eyes, there is nothing unethical with human-animal hybrid embryos.

Or there will be some sort of justification to continue vile scientific practices.

Something has to be done to stop this from happening.
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Well embryos aren’t humans. I find this very intriguing.
 
Hope_Philomena said:
Okay, but.

This isn’t about embryos at the moment, so why can’t you just acknowledge that this feat is going to have a positive effect on millions and how it is not related to human embryos?

You have no idea what will “inevitably arise”.

We’re talking about two completely different things, so I’m just going to stop replying :confused:
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And yet you KNOW for certain these experiments will save “millions”.

These are related to human embryos because animal experiments always precede human experiments. Animal experiments (whether drug trials or gene therapy) are precursors to what will be done to humans.

When embryos are regarded as “just cells”, nothing is stopping them from doing human experiments — science is driven by curiosity, and sometimes, it’s morbid.

We are already capable of genetically engineering human embryos (not efficiently, but technically feasible).

I work in biomedical research. Across the street from a “reproductive science” department.
 
EIF5A said:
And yet you KNOW for certain these experiments will save “millions”.

These are related to human embryos because animal experiments always precede human experiments. Animal experiments (whether drug trials or gene therapy) are precursors to what will be done to humans.

When embryos are regarded as “just cells”, nothing is stopping them from doing human experiments — science is driven by curiosity, and sometimes, it’s morbid.

We are already capable of genetically engineering human embryos (not efficiently, but technically feasible).

I work in biomedical research. Across the street from a “reproductive science” department.
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I would say science is driven by the want to learn and explore the world around us.
 
Seems that 2 important questions are on the horizon. Presumably the practical application of this involves killing the chimera to harvest organs. Presumably as around the equivalent of young adult for that animal.
  1. At what point is a human-animal hybrid too human to harvest?
  2. If done commercially, would this be the sale of human body parts for profit? Something that is currently illegal.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
Seems that 2 important questions are on the horizon. Presumably the practical application of this involves killing the chimera to harvest organs. Presumably as around the equivalent of young adult for that animal.
  1. At what point is a human-animal hybrid too human to harvest?
  2. If done commercially, would this be the sale of human body parts for profit? Something that is currently illegal.
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Perhaps some answers to questions 1) and 2) can be found in post 19, page 2. What is your opinion?

Still, the result of the material human cells–material animal hybrid is the destruction of one’s own conception of one’s own human nature–material anatomy animated by the God given rational spiritual soul at conception. The hybrid idea has the human looking down.

There is plenty of information about the ultimate damage in this thread. Too often evil can appear harmless. A few cells are really nothing…

However, what is the real message to every living person?

A human person is more than a material animal. Genesis 1: 27.
 
grannymh said:
Perhaps the answer to questions 1) and 2) can be found in post 19, page 2. What is your opinion?
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I’m not sure a good answer or litmus test exist.
Arbitrary guides like 50%+1 are problematic, but a standard of determining human sentience could easily break down to an IQ test and we already know the folly of IQ as the barrier against cruelty. I’d say, when the chimera displays significant and clearly human traits. But that is a worthless standard.

As for selling body parts, I think the laws will be adjusted to accommodate this. More importantly, I see a future where growing organs occurs in vitro. Consider that several years ago enough beef was grown in vitro to make a few burgers. Beef without the rest of the cow.
However, what is the real message to the donor?

A human person is more than a material animal. Genesis 1: 27.
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The real message? The donor and recipient are likely to be one in the same. I doubt they would seek such a thing.
 
EIF5A said:
The troubling part is this is only the beginning.

It may be permissive now because no human life was destroyed, but this technology will allow unscrupulous scientists to create actual human:animal hybrids with fertilized human embryos.

Human embryos are already researched on. And since secularists don’t view embryos as humans, in their eyes, there is nothing unethical with human-animal hybrid embryos.

Or there will be some sort of justification to continue vile scientific practices.

Something has to be done to stop this from happening.
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I don’t think actual viable hybrids will ever happen.
Vile experiments in the attempt to make them, yes, that will happen.
But not for too long. We are in the last generation before the end of the age.
 
Hope_Philomena said:
(Snipped) I’m a bit confused by your standpoint.

When scientific discoveries are made, regulations are put in place. .
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Yes they are.
And regulations can be changed over time.

How many abortions the first year they were allowed ‘to save the mother’s life’?

How many the tenth year after that?

How many this year?
 
Brendan said:
What animal traits are being given to humans. What is being done is to grow human organs inside*animals.
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No animal traits are being given to humans.
There were comments on the subject of hybrids. I responded to that.
 
Reepicheep said:
I don’t think actual viable hybrids will ever happen.
Vile experiments in the attempt to make them, yes, that will happen.
But not for too long. We are in the last generation before the end of the age.
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People have been saying that for a long time.
 
Who wants to live forever? Why try to prolong life beyond that which God intended? The quality of life is wiser than the quantity of years!
 
Robert_Sock said:
Who wants to live forever? Why try to prolong life beyond that which God intended? The quality of life is wiser than the quantity of years!
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I don’t think someone trying to get an organ transplant is necessarily trying to live for ever. Someone might simply want to live to see their children into independence and adulthood, or simple want to be rid of the dependence on medication due to a failed organ.

I also don’t think that when the need for an organ transplant arises that people will necessarily see that as the end of the time that God intended for them to have on earth.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Science operates in a moral vacuum. That is the problem. Oppenheimer learned this the hard way, though there are many other offenders. And of course as a culture we worship science, not God. I question if science really sets any ethical barriers for itself.
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That is what is what I was trying to say in my post.

It reminds me of a good line from the original Jurassic Park movie, jeff Glodblums character…" Scientists were so concerned with whether they could they didnt stop to consider if they should".

Of course, reading this article, its really about human organs being grown in animals, not about creating some mythical monsters…but…emerging technologies in the wrong hands can be used for other things.
 
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