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Seamus_Sully
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The universe is permeated with reason and is reasonable.
From where did this reason come?
From where did this reason come?
You need to read or listen to some alternative views (please!)it still remains true to say that science, medicine technology and ‘modern man’ would be much further forward and poverty by now probably eradicated had Mother Church not suppressed the advances of science
We don’t need universe collapses to make heavier matter - elements up to the weight of iron are made in stars and heavier elements are made in the enormous explosions of supernovae.
I never said 'heavy matter came from collapses.
Time stops.What is the status of these two…for lack of a better term at this writing…theories?
A. The Universe is expanding.
B. The expansion is deaccelerating.
If these two are true, what is the theory of what happens when the expansion stops?
How could anyone possibly think this? If this were true, then those places in the world where the Church had not ventured to significantly should be very, very advanced and have absolutely no poverty, and be almost utopian. This should be the case according to your logic. Okay, let us look at those areas of the world.it still remains true to say that science, medicine technology and ‘modern man’ would be much further forward and poverty by now probably eradicated had Mother Church not suppressed the advances of science
Wkould this give credence to the blurb in the Bible about the end of time?Time stops.
Then if the universe falls back in on itself, time reverses.
Or so I’ve heard.
JoeyWarren
Re: Scientists’ help wanted!!
It is not as simple as that. Apart from which, it would not make sense else we would rise from our graves to go back into our mothers wombsQuote:Originally Posted by ricmat
Time stops.Then if the universe falls back in on itself, time reverses. Or so I’ve heard.
Would this give credence to the blurb in the Bible about the end of time?
The Rubberband effect?
There is evidence that matter is speeding up but that it takes energy and sooner of later, runs out of steam so that matter becomes so sparce, there is not enough but single atoms floating around in a universe millions times bigger than it is at present! From a credit to the Creator perspective, that simply does not make senseThe universe in it’s entirety will come back to a single point and BANGS again thus creating a new Heaven and a new Earth?
I suspect that the second coming will be much sooner than the collapsing universe — which assuming the theory is true is probably 20 billion years in the future. God can end things just by not holding it in existence, no rubber band effect is necessary.Wkould this give credence to the blurb in the Bible about the end of time?
The Rubberband effect?
The universe in it’s entirety will come back to a single point and BANGS again thus creating a new Heaven and a new Earth?
While I agree with you. God appears to be a Creator, not a RE-Creator! What He does, He gets right the first time around.God can end things just by not holding it in existence, no rubber band effect is necessary.
What do you mean by not holding it in existence? Do you mean that quantum chromodynamics is wrong and Jesus holds atoms together? (see: chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp)I suspect that the second coming will be much sooner than the collapsing universe — which assuming the theory is true is probably 20 billion years in the future. God can end things just by not holding it in existence, no rubber band effect is necessary.
I especially love this quote so I will quote it again:Observational data indicate that the universe accelerates. If this is caused by the positive vacuum energy (cosmological constant), acceleration of the universe will continue forever. However, recently we have found that in a broad class of theories describing the present stage of acceleration of the universe, this acceleration may end and the universe may eventually collapse. Rather unexpectedly, we found that this may happen not in an extremely distant future, as one could expect, but in about 10-20 billion years. This may happen in a broad class of realistic theories of elementary particles, including, in particular the popular theories based on M-theory and supergravity. This is not a doomsday prediction because other outcomes (such as eternal acceleration of the universe) are also theoretically possible and are equally compelling. The only way to find out which of these possibilities is more realistic is to make cosmological observations. These results may have important implications. One may argue: Why do I care about the most abstract theories of elementary particles, such as M-theory, string theory or supergravity? Why do I care about precise measurements of cosmological parameters? Why do we need to spend billions of dollars for the development of science? Now we can add something new to the existing arguments: Without the development of these theories and without cosmological observations we will be unable to know the fate of the universe and the fate of the mankind. Here one can find a popular discussion of our work (see also an article in SF Chronicle).
One may argue: Why do I care about the most abstract theories of elementary particles, such as M-theory, string theory or supergravity? Why do I care about precise measurements of cosmological parameters? Why do we need to spend billions of dollars for the development of science? Now we can add something new to the existing arguments: Without the development of these theories and without cosmological observations we will be unable to know the fate of the universe and the fate of the mankind.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:What do you mean by not holding it in existence? Do you mean that quantum chromodynamics is wrong and Jesus holds atoms together?
301 With creation, God does not abandon his creatures to themselves. He not only gives them being and existence, but also, and at every moment, upholds and sustains them in being, enables them to act and brings them to their final end. Recognizing this utter dependence with respect to the Creator is a source of wisdom and freedom, of joy and confidence:
*For you love all things that exist, and detest none of the things that you have made; for you would not have made anything if you had hated it. How would anything have endured, if you had not willed it? Or how would anything not called forth by you have been preserved? You spare all things, for they are yours, O Lord, you who love the living. (Wisdom 11:24-26) *
God is a trinity of 3 persons. Jesus, the second person is more than just a holy man who walked the earth 2000 years ago, and Jesus is also more than a disinterested (or interested) observer of God’s overall creation.What do you mean by not holding it in existence? Do you mean that quantum chromodynamics is wrong and Jesus holds atoms together?
ribozyme wrote:
If the universe is 15-billion years old and it could collapse in 10-billion years, then Christ has indeed come in ‘the latter days’The present stage of acceleration of the universe, this acceleration may end and the universe may eventually collapse. Rather unexpectedly, we found that this may happen not in an extremely distant future, as one could expect, but in about 10-20 billion years
Hello,
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
It seems to me that God has abandoned his creation…301 With creation, God does not abandon his creatures to themselves. He not only gives them being and existence, but also, and at every moment, upholds and sustains them in being, enables them to act and brings them to their final end. Recognizing this utter dependence with respect to the Creator is a source of wisdom and freedom, of joy and confidence:
Darwinian evolution is the counterforce against the natural tendency to approach thermodynamic equilibrium with the environment. God is not needed to explain any phenomenon in biology. However, I do not have a satisfactory explanation for the origin of life as the origin of life is the origin of Darwinian evolution. If you want to argue that God created the universe, go ahead, but you have to combat the notion that once he created it he abandoned it.
Read this paper, and ask yourself whether its describes a world that God abandoned (or we can assume that God doesn’t exist so he didn’t abandoned this world). While Darwinian evolution is the counterforce, it produces a lot of maladies and biology is rife with imperfection such as the pseudogene in the ascorbic acid biosynthesis pathway in humans.
Well, you would be wrong. You cannot measure God in biology or any other science. Yes, Darwinian evolution does explain how evolution happens, but it does not rule out direction from God. That is only an assumption made if one doesn’t accept the existence of God to begin with.It seems to me that God has abandoned his creation…