Scientists Unveil Missing Link In Evolution

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There is an excruciating irony when Christians reject evolution out of hand. We can read the creation account in Genesis and accept that God brought all things into being just as recorded. God creating all things is indeed central to everything. When one starts with the notion that God created all things but then allows His creation to tell its story through what is discovered, there is a special blessing. Studying God’s universe is something that points directly to Him. There is layer upon layer of wonder. Marveling at what He made is one of the most profound privileges of being human.

“We perceive the stars. The stars perceive nothing.” -Schaeffer

When I am able to understand something new in the fields of cosmology or quantum mechanics or paleoanthropology or whatever, I am deeply moved in my spirit and glorify God. What a profound blessing to be made by Him, redeemed by Him through His Son and then be taken by His hand and shown the indescribable beauty and complexity of what He brought into being.
 
There is an excruciating irony when Christians reject evolution out of hand. We can read the creation account in Genesis and accept that God brought all things into being just as recorded. God creating all things is indeed central to everything. When one starts with the notion that God created all things but then allows His creation to tell its story through what is discovered, there is a special blessing. Studying God’s universe is something that points directly to Him. There is layer upon layer of wonder. Marveling at what He made is one of the most profound privileges of being human.

“We perceive the stars. The stars perceive nothing.” -Schaeffer

When I am able to understand something new in the fields of cosmology or quantum mechanics or paleoanthropology or whatever, I am deeply moved in my spirit and glorify God. What a profound blessing to be made by Him, redeemed by Him through His Son and then be taken by His hand and shown the indescribable beauty and complexity of what He brought into being.
And what a boring universe it would be if we knew everything the instant we were born and there were no discoveries or mysteries
 
There is an excruciating irony when Christians reject evolution out of hand. We can read the creation account in Genesis and accept that God brought all things into being just as recorded. God creating all things is indeed central to everything. When one starts with the notion that God created all things but then allows His creation to tell its story through what is discovered, there is a special blessing. Studying God’s universe is something that points directly to Him. There is layer upon layer of wonder. Marveling at what He made is one of the most profound privileges of being human.

“We perceive the stars. The stars perceive nothing.” -Schaeffer

When I am able to understand something new in the fields of cosmology or quantum mechanics or paleoanthropology or whatever, I am deeply moved in my spirit and glorify God. What a profound blessing to be made by Him, redeemed by Him through His Son and then be taken by His hand and shown the indescribable beauty and complexity of what He brought into being.
I didn’t see the irony here.

Actually, I think it’s an irony when Christians accept evolution uncritically. Evolutionary theory was designed to show that God was not involved in the development of nature.

You state that you were “made by Him” but this is not what evolutionary theory teaches. You say that there is beauty and complexity, but these are merely the results of accidental, unintelligent processes.
 
Seeing people here blinding themselves to something as obvious as evolution and being in such denial is giving me an idea that there are such things as “devolution”, creationists being a great example 😉
I can’t see how personal insults are going to make your arguments convincing to anyone except people who already agree with you. If that’s what you’re trying to do, then why bother? Do evolutionists, who dominate the entire scientific culture, really need that much support?
 
Humans have been classified in the biological classification system as most closely related to apes. It is a FACT that biological science considers us a species of ape.
It’s a FACT that scientists have various opinions about this matter, yes. 🙂
 
Evolutionary theory was designed to show that God was not involved in the development of nature.

You state that you were “made by Him” but this is not what evolutionary theory teaches. You say that there is beauty and complexity, but these are merely the results of accidental, unintelligent processes.
Where do you get that?

Evolution was a theory developed to attempt to explain observed natural phenomena, like any other scientific theory.

I agree with you that there are some who try to use it to displace God, but that is taking it far outside the realm of science, which has nothing to say on that subject. How a theory is used is like how a gun is used; the gun is ambivalent, there for a purpose but not an agenda, and so is the theory.
 
Evolutionary theory was designed to show that God was not involved in the development of nature.
Reggie, I think you are overstating your case. What is your proof that the theory of evolution was designed with the intent to show God was not involved with the development of nature?
 
I am open to the theory of evolution and to the possibility that man descended from apes. I do believe, however, that behind what appears to be all randomness and chance involved in this “evolution” Darwin speaks of is perfect order and God Himself. But I am saying that I accept evolution as a theory and not a fact. The Vatican wouldn’t even want me accepting a theory as factual unless it were proven incontrovertably. (remember Galileo?) I don’t think we can really prove man descended from apes - even with the information on the fusion of the genome - so it is only right that I keep the story of creationism the way that is in conformity with my reason enightened by my faith: most true to the Bible and to the interpretation of the Magisterium and open to scientific observation and theory.
 
Reggie, I think you are overstating your case. What is your proof that the theory of evolution was designed with the intent to show God was not involved with the development of nature?
Charles Darwin had a theological motive in developing his theory – to give support to a rejection of divine causality and to deal with the problem of evil. He had this view at the beginning, when he was trying to explain the injustices he saw in nature as not part of a divine cause. This view grew more after the death of his daughter when he thought that nature was simply cruel itself – by then he ceased believing in God, but his theory reflected his philosophical views.

The most famous quote proving this is:

“I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of Caterpillars, or that a cat should play with mice.” (Darwin’s letter to Asa Gray)

The purpose of Darwin’s theory was to explain the suffering and death that he saw in nature. The idea of natural selection proposes that there is a ruthless competition in nature and some species win and others lose – and ugliness, death and cruelty are the accidental, random, unconscious results or mutations and selection pressures. Thus, God is removed from nature entirely.

Here’s a quote where he makes that clear:

“The old argument of design in nature, as given by Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the law of natural selection has been discovered. We can no longer argue that, for instance, the beautiful hinge of a bivalve shell must have been made by an intelligent being, like the hinge of a door by man. … Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws.” (The Autobiography of Charles Darwin)

This is the foundation of evolutionary theory. “Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws”. Thus, God is removed from direct influence, design or creativity in nature (not to mention that there can be no supernatural interventions also). At best, one could propose that God is merely the “Lawmaker” which is essentially the Deist view and virtually indistinguishable from atheism.

Again from his autobiography:

‘A being so powerful and so full of knowledge as a God who could create the universe, is to our finite minds omnipotent and omniscient, and it revolts our understanding to suppose that his benevolence is not unbounded, for what advantage can there be in the sufferings of millions of the lower animals throughout almost endless time? (The Autobiography of Charles Darwin)

This indicates Darwin’s theological motive.

Here are a few more quotes that give proof of the same thing:

The Descent of Man was written to show Lyell, Gray, and Wallace that a God-less account, relying on random variation, natural selection, and sexual selection, could explain every aspect of human nature that might appear too elevated, too divine-like, to have been caused by natural processes alone. Morality was just one aspect Darwin attempted to explain, but it is important that it must be understood as an attempt to remove any need for God. Darwin’s is strictly and exactly speaking, a God-less account of morality.
discovery.org/a/9591

Early in his career, Darwin saw the indifference of natural law as an answer to the era’s religious doubts about how a benevolent god could permit human misery; cruelty and pain, he argued, should not be seen as moral issues, but as inevitable outcomes of nature. After Annie’s death, however, Darwin’s views darkened, and in a private letter he railed against the “clumsy, wasteful, blundering low and horridly cruel works of nature!”
amazon.com/Darwin-His-Daughter-Human-Evolution/dp/1573221929

As pointed out in the third chapter, Darwin came to see that the
ongoing need for all animals to compete for the means of life created a
continual pressure for selection. This factor, along with what he knew
about variation and inheritance were integral to his species evolution
theory. Darwin thought he had identified a process that would explain the
development of all forms of life without divine intervention.

voc.ed.psu.edu/projects/publications/books/spring%202003/Gilli.pdf

This dictum (scientism), applied to biology by Darwin, meant primarily that evolutionary theory could have no place for divine causation, because such causation was assumed by definition to be supernatural.”
These three ideals of modern science, besides ruling out divine causation, also ruled out all teleological causation.” Teleological causation, in the sense of self-determination by an organism to reach some telos or goal, would obviously threaten the ideals of predictive determinism and of reducing wholes to their parts. it would also threaten scientism, because self-determination would be an inner, invisible type of causality not observable to the senses or to any scientific instruments designed to magnify
God and religion in the postmodern world – David Ray Griffin, p 75

I took some time this morning to research those quotes. This is not at all a comprehensive list or view of the topic, but I hope it was helpful towards answering your question.

There is a book length study on this topic that you might want to consider also:

Darwin’s God by Cornelius Hunter

I haven’t read that book but it gives a comprehensive overview of the theological origins and motives of evolutionary theory.
 
Where do you get that?
Please see my detailed reply to Dale M.
Evolution was a theory developed to attempt to explain observed natural phenomena, like any other scientific theory.
There’s quite a lot of evidence to show that it was not like any other scientific theory. There was a theological motive and there remains many serious problems with the theory – enough for the Holy See to condemn “several” evolutionary theories as being incompatible with the Catholic faith.
 
Charles Darwin had a theological motive in developing his theory – to give support to a rejection of divine causality and to deal with the problem of evil. He had this view at the beginning, when he was trying to explain the injustices he saw in nature as not part of a divine cause. This view grew more after the death of his daughter when he thought that nature was simply cruel itself – by then he ceased believing in God, but his theory reflected his philosophical views.

The most famous quote proving this is:

“I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of Caterpillars, or that a cat should play with mice.” (Darwin’s letter to Asa Gray)

The purpose of Darwin’s theory was to explain the suffering and death that he saw in nature. The idea of natural selection proposes that there is a ruthless competition in nature and some species win and others lose – and ugliness, death and cruelty are the accidental, random, unconscious results or mutations and selection pressures. Thus, God is removed from nature entirely.

Here’s a quote where he makes that clear:

"The old argument of design in nature, as given by Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the law of natural selection has been discovered. We can no longer argue that, for instance, the beautiful hinge of a bivalve shell must have been made by an intelligent being, like the hinge of a door by man. … Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws." (The Autobiography of Charles Darwin)

This is the foundation of evolutionary theory. “Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws”. Thus, God is removed from direct influence, design or creativity in nature (not to mention that there can be no supernatural interventions also). At best, one could propose that God is merely the “Lawmaker” which is essentially the Deist view and virtually indistinguishable from atheism.

Again from his autobiography:

‘A being so powerful and so full of knowledge as a God who could create the universe, is to our finite minds omnipotent and omniscient, and it revolts our understanding to suppose that his benevolence is not unbounded, for what advantage can there be in the sufferings of millions of the lower animals throughout almost endless time?’ (The Autobiography of Charles Darwin)

This indicates Darwin’s theological motive.

Here are a few more quotes that give proof of the same thing:

The Descent of Man was written to show Lyell, Gray, and Wallace that a God-less account, relying on random variation, natural selection, and sexual selection, could explain every aspect of human nature that might appear too elevated, too divine-like, to have been caused by natural processes alone. Morality was just one aspect Darwin attempted to explain, but it is important that it must be understood as an attempt to remove any need for God. Darwin’s is strictly and exactly speaking, a God-less account of morality.
discovery.org/a/9591

Early in his career, Darwin saw the indifference of natural law as an answer to the era’s religious doubts about how a benevolent god could permit human misery; cruelty and pain, he argued, should not be seen as moral issues, but as inevitable outcomes of nature. After Annie’s death, however, Darwin’s views darkened, and in a private letter he railed against the “clumsy, wasteful, blundering low and horridly cruel works of nature!”
amazon.com/Darwin-His-Daughter-Human-Evolution/dp/1573221929

As pointed out in the third chapter, Darwin came to see that the
ongoing need for all animals to compete for the means of life created a
continual pressure for selection. This factor, along with what he knew
about variation and inheritance were integral to his species evolution
theory. Darwin thought he had identified a process that would explain the
development of all forms of life without divine intervention.

voc.ed.psu.edu/projects/publications/books/spring%202003/Gilli.pdf

This dictum (scientism), applied to biology by Darwin, meant primarily that evolutionary theory could have no place for divine causation, because such causation was assumed by definition to be supernatural.”
These three ideals of modern science, besides ruling out divine causation, also ruled out all teleological causation.” Teleological causation, in the sense of self-determination by an organism to reach some telos or goal, would obviously threaten the ideals of predictive determinism and of reducing wholes to their parts. it would also threaten scientism, because self-determination would be an inner, invisible type of causality not observable to the senses or to any scientific instruments designed to magnify
God and religion in the postmodern world – David Ray Griffin, p 75

I took some time this morning to research those quotes. This is not at all a comprehensive list or view of the topic, but I hope it was helpful towards answering your question.

There is a book length study on this topic that you might want to consider also:

Darwin’s God by Cornelius Hunter

I haven’t read that book but it gives a comprehensive overview of the theological origins and motives of evolutionary theory.
Straw Man Arguments and Ad Hominem attacks… it doesn’t matter Darwin’s personal cosmological views, if evolution is real, than it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks, it’s an objective reality. Just because someone says evolution opposes God does not make it so.
 
Please see my detailed reply to Dale M.

There’s quite a lot of evidence to show that it was not like any other scientific theory. There was a theological motive and there remains many serious problems with the theory – enough for the Holy See to condemn “several” evolutionary theories as being incompatible with the Catholic faith.
You take Darwin’s later descent and would place it prior to his development of the original theory. As of Origin of the Species, and even moreso previously as he was developing the theory to explain what he observed, he still bore a strong belief in God.

Still, modern evolutionary theory has come a long way since Darwin. It is, in the context of science, a theory explaining and predicting observed behaviors and traits in nature. How is it any different from the Quantum or Relativity theory, or any number of others?

Further, you err when you characterize a “Lawmaker” as a Deist heresy. The Deists, apart from rejecting the authority of the Church in favor of private judgment, departed from theism in their view of God in two primary ways.
  1. They believed that God was distant, never immanent, and could only be observed or deduced through observation of nature. They thus eliminate all divine revelation and supernatural communication with humans, as well as miracles.
  2. They believed that God does not care about anything that goes on in the world, not intervening in human affairs, indeed not caring about them, with a Plan that continues regardless of intervention or what man does.
Those are the points where Deism errs. * Not* in proposing that nature operates by a set of constant laws and that God only rarely suspends those laws (and when He does so, it is a miracle for man’s benefit). Indeed, Catholic science that came before Deism proposed just that! All scientific study requires the assumption that there are natural laws, relationships, and processes that are constant. Do you want to throw out ALL of science?

Evolution as a scientific theory (not extrapolated beyond science to make proclamations about God–which, actually, ID does by its very nature) is wholly compatible with Catholic theology, as JP2 and B16 have stated. Thus, our Church obviously doesn’t have a problem with the idea of God as Lawmaker and letting nature run its course by way of these laws. But we DO insist, as opposed to the heresy of Deism, that God reveals Himself personally to man, is directly accessible to man, works miracles suspending nature for man, cares about man and man’s actions, and involves us directly with His Plan.

I also take issue with your characterization of natural selection. As one of my Creationist friends put it, and as I think sums up your statement, he thought it was a “death-oriented” process, and thus could not be how God set things up. Actually, natural selection has nothing to do with death; it has everything to do with reproduction. The only way species can be propagated or their traits change is through successful reproduction. It is an extremely life-oriented, procreation-oriented process, which fits wonderfully with what we know of God from revelation.
 
Straw Man Arguments and Ad Hominem attacks… it doesn’t matter Darwin’s personal cosmological views, if evolution is real, than it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks, it’s an objective reality. Just because someone says evolution opposes God does not make it so.
And just because J.K. Rowling says Dumbledore is gay doesn’t mean he is? Sorry, the author gets to do what he wants with his works, no matter how stupid.

(Not to say that he was the author, or anything at all, really.)
 
You take Darwin’s later descent and would place it prior to his development of the original theory. As of Origin of the Species, and even moreso previously as he was developing the theory to explain what he observed, he still bore a strong belief in God.
You asked me where I found the idea that I posted and I provided quite a lot of detail on that. Whether he believed in God or not is mostly irrelevant. He could have been trying to defend God by showing that God had nothing to do with the development of nature.
 
Whatever Darwin believed is important to know. There is clear evidence that an abuse of trust has occurred within the Catholic community over the last 40 years. It stems, in part, from sincere Christian compassion for the unbeliever and the stranger, including scientists who sometimes present part truths and part falsehoods. Who believe that the supernatural must never be allowed to be mentioned. The human mind has become, for some, a thing to be worshipped. It becomes, for them, the source of all truth. Elevating the mind becomes the goal and sometimes ethics and truth are dispensed with for what a small group decides is ‘the greater good.’ Lately, that greater good means telling other human beings made in the image and likeness of God that you are just another animal. There’s nothing special about us.

The question: Who am I? is not answered as you are a child of God, but the result of random, ‘natural’ processes that did not have you in mind.

Evolutionary Psychology is in the process of defining human beings as genetic robots that randomly and naturally get upgrades until we are so smart that we become nothing. Just slightly more complicated snowflakes.

No wonder Cardinal Schoenborn wrote that the Church finds itself in the position of defending reason itself. And if people like Father Coyne can say that God Himself did not know that man would be the result then complete nonsense has taken over.

The missing link in too many lives is a relationship with and acknowledgement of the Living God. But if science can’t prove it, some think, then that idea is meaningless.

Science is only a method but the fatal flaw in each of us can corrupt anything. Be aware.

Peace,
Ed
 
As Pope Benedict stated: “We are not some casual and meaningless product of evolution.”
 
Darwin’s beliefs caused him to insert theological concepts in his works that were supposedly “just scientific”. So, the nature of his beliefs are important to know.
 
Darwin’s beliefs caused him to insert theological concepts in his works that were supposedly “just scientific”. So, the nature of his beliefs are important to know.
Evolution is so much more than Darwin, though. And since science has little to say about theology, just take out the theological parts and you’re left with a description of what happens in God’s created nature.

Your arguments have so far done nothing to suggest that what evolution describes is not accurately what happens in nature. What is any more wrong with such a description than other scientific theories and laws, such as relativity theory and the laws of physics?
 
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