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ready
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I understand. I haven’t a problem accepting a theory of evolution as long as it still allows for the story of Christ’s geneology and the other biblical stories like the deluge etc. to be true. Thanks a priori.
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ready
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But I still believe Adam and Eve did not descend from apes though. Maybe they did, but I still do not see proof of it.
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space_trojan
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space_trojan
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my only problem with the theory of evolution is that…i wouldn’t want my God to be taken as a primate…cos that’s what the theory is all about…let’s not forget…“God created man in His own image.” …so much for non-violation politics…
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a_priori
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Adam and Eve did not descend from apes. The word “proof” doesn’t work on either side of the argument. None of these things can be “proved” with metaphysical certitude. It is actually a bit like the anthropological version of Quantum Theory. We can’t ultimately know anytyhing about what a particle is objectively up to. There are merely areas of higher probability and areas of lower probability.
(As an aside, for me, faith is like this. I am Catholic because it represents an area of higher probability along a very mysterious continuum. But that’s another story.)
We all want to have the creation story tied up in a nice neat little bow. This won’t happen. One of the things I appreciate about the 12 years I spent in Eastern Orthodoxy was their apophatic approach to God. They allow for mysteries. There are some things we cannot know in this life. Even David allowed for this concept in Psalm 139:6. “Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is too high, I cannot attain to it.” There are indeed things we CAN know:
God created everything.
We have a disease called sin.
He send His Son to redeem us and bring us to Himself.
We have a responsibility in this life to serve God and our fellow man.
The way we conduct our earthly affairs affects what happens when we die.
If some one is hungry, we should feed them.
We should not be selfish…
You see, we know lots and lots of stuff. We know what we need to know in order to fulfill our mandate before God. Recognizing some haziness between a literal interpretation of Genesis and the evidence the physical world is giving us should be neither a faith-wrecker nor a reason to grit our teeth and force the square peg into the round hole. If we let ourselves rest in the fact that God made us, then we can calmly and appreciatively marvel at what His creation seems to be showing us about what came before.
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nohamaria
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If the theory of Evolution is prouved true, Then some
question arise in my mind:
If we evolute from one specy which is our ancestor,
then why the evolution process stopped and did’nt continue?
Why monkies stays monkies, humans stays humans…,
since we all should evolute by know and give life to
other new species? It is logical because if we admit
that Dinausors became e.g lyzards , then lyzards should
evolute by now and become another specy , whatever it is.
Genesis (OT) explain God’s creation as we all, human and
animals , where created from the same object which is
Dust. But, we human were very special creature , that
God make us in his own image; as God Said:
" let us make man in our image , in our likeness." (Gen1/26)
Additionaly God said: " Let them rule over the fish of
the sea and the birds of the air , over the livestock,
over all the earth."(Gen1/28).
Human beens, in the Creation , are considered very closed
and special in the eyes of their Creator, and are the rulers over
every other creation.
Evolutionist science and criteria , reject and deny for humans
that high considerations giving to us by God, and
would like to put us as evolutionary specy from some
kind of animals or bacteries whatever.
Let us put at least , some thank and gratitude , towards a Creator
who considered us with more esteem and love than we
do to ourselves.
If we cotinue to think like Evolutionist, am sure will worship
Dust at the end because it is the common and proved object
among every creature.
Now aday, we wach the End of many species, without
formation of any new one( absence of Evolution).
And may be tomorrow , will wach the end of Human race,
as results of our scientist progress in nuclear weapons.
And science in such case will mean:
Science= Progress= complete destruction.
May God , our So Indulgent Creator, Have Mercy
on us.
Peace and Good.
Nohamaria.
question arise in my mind:
If we evolute from one specy which is our ancestor,
then why the evolution process stopped and did’nt continue?
Why monkies stays monkies, humans stays humans…,
since we all should evolute by know and give life to
other new species? It is logical because if we admit
that Dinausors became e.g lyzards , then lyzards should
evolute by now and become another specy , whatever it is.
Genesis (OT) explain God’s creation as we all, human and
animals , where created from the same object which is
Dust. But, we human were very special creature , that
God make us in his own image; as God Said:
" let us make man in our image , in our likeness." (Gen1/26)
Additionaly God said: " Let them rule over the fish of
the sea and the birds of the air , over the livestock,
over all the earth."(Gen1/28).
Human beens, in the Creation , are considered very closed
and special in the eyes of their Creator, and are the rulers over
every other creation.
Evolutionist science and criteria , reject and deny for humans
that high considerations giving to us by God, and
would like to put us as evolutionary specy from some
kind of animals or bacteries whatever.
Let us put at least , some thank and gratitude , towards a Creator
who considered us with more esteem and love than we
do to ourselves.
If we cotinue to think like Evolutionist, am sure will worship
Dust at the end because it is the common and proved object
among every creature.
Now aday, we wach the End of many species, without
formation of any new one( absence of Evolution).
And may be tomorrow , will wach the end of Human race,
as results of our scientist progress in nuclear weapons.
And science in such case will mean:
Science= Progress= complete destruction.
May God , our So Indulgent Creator, Have Mercy
on us.
Peace and Good.
Nohamaria.
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a_priori
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Ready, I’m with you in the sense that it is important not to misfire here. We all want to understand. We all want to please God and go to Heaven. We are all just extremely inquisitive about these things. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss these things so that we can learn each other’s points of view and grow in the process. Thank you for your posts.
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ready
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Thank you for your posts as well, a priori. I think the topic of evolution is worth discussing and debating.
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dixieagle
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Hallelujah! Though I am pretty sold on the loaves and fishes…
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Adonis33
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I read thaqt and thought "What??? A Vatican II denier??? Really???
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Adonis33
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This is quite possibly the best explanation I have ever heard. Thank you.
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greg_b
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Good for you, now go play in your sandbox of make believe and leave this discussion to us reality based adults
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Wolseley
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There’s only one appropriate response to that, greg, and it consists of two words: a non-transitive verb and a primary pronoun.
And now, I really am done. Bye, now.
Just for the record, I’m not a Vatican II denier----but I do believe that Vatican II must be interpreted in light of all other Catholic teaching that came before 1965. In short, I accept Vatican II; what I deny is “the Spirit of Vatican II”, or all of the liberal, dissident balderdash that has been foisted off on the faithful, consisting of their own screwy ideas that they call Vatican II.
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Aramis
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Not “The”, merely “a” missing link.
Several predictions had been made as to what a common ancestor species of lemurs and monkeys would probably look like; this fossil supports several of those predictions. (it removes several others from contention.) It’s the spot before the branching off of lemurs from monkeys. It looks to be rather closely before.
So many fundamentalists, (and yes, some practicing Catholics really are fundamentalists in denial,) especially those without extensive science backgrounds, expect science to be like the bible: unchanging. They forget science is a process of revising the understood to be more accurate.
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greg_b
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To add to that, it’s like how we all know that gravity is true and exists, in the future we may understand it in more light and detail, but we know that gravity will always exist, even if our ideas of it’s origins and it’s functions changes or we know it in more detail. It is true for evolution as well, we may not yet fully understand how evolution works, but it is still just as real as gravity is.
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wapsi
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No, it doesn’t. As previously mentioned in this thread, evolution works by branching. Its not a linear process. Some creatures evolve into new species, but that doesn’t mean that the previous species disappears.
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greg_b
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I found an excellent video that shows pretty much what is going on here with the evolution deniers:
youtube.com/watch?v=-h9XntsSEro
It explains a person who denies factual scientific reality and lists the excuses they make up.
youtube.com/watch?v=-h9XntsSEro
It explains a person who denies factual scientific reality and lists the excuses they make up.
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siamesecat
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But humans did not evolve from ducks. We had a common ancestor that split so long ago that we are not really in any way related to ducks - so that is impossible. Speciation just doesn’t occur like that - one species doesn’t just one day have a child with a totally bizarre characteristic. It happens verrrrry slowly and with many groups splitting and evolving in very different ways independent of each other.
That’s because humans and apes are not the same. We share intellectual faculties as well - apes are one of very few animals that can comprehend sign language and have elaborate social structures. There is obviously a huge difference in our intelligence, but that’s because we evolved differently. Our common ancestors split into several groups isolated in different areas. Depending on the circumstances, some slowly evolved into apes, and some slowly evolved into humans. Our common ancestor that became the human race slowly got smarter and smarter, whereas apes did not do that as much. This may be because humans lived in an area where greater intelligence is needed to survive and develop - maybe we were competing with another monkey like creature for food, and as we developed, they died out.
There is a theory that the reason why western society evolved so much more quickly in terms of industrialization and science etc. is because of the cold weather in the western world. It causes people to have to think up more ways to survive and plan more long-term. You have to settle down and build warm shelters, etc. Something similar might have happened in whatever caused one branch to develop so quickly into humans.
The many branches of our common ancestor lead to other things besides apes and humans as well. Take neanderthals, they were something that evolved more than apes but not as much as humans. Apes were suited to the conditions they lived in and therefore did not evolve very rapidly. It is thought humans led neanderthals to die out. In competition with neanderthals, humans became smarter and neanderthals did not evolve as quickly and died out. Humans were more likely to survive the smarter they were, an therefore their intellect continued to develop.
Wherever apes lived, they were well suited for survival. The branch that became humans, for whatever reason, needed to become smarter to survive, due to competition, climate, or some other reason. Nowadays, apes survive well in deep forests and areas where humans do not. If there were a species in the middle, like neanderthals, they would die out trying to compete with humans, as they are not well suited to the life of apes, who they are superior to. Apes simply didn’t need to evolve as far from our common ancestor as we did to survive.
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greg_b
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Neanderthals, now could the creationists please explain THAT? Here we have what is obviously not a human, but it looked identical, created tools, artwork, buried the dead and followed a form of primitive religion.
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space_trojan
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If you are implying that we evolved from Neanderthals, then I suggest you have to do some in-depth reading and research on the matter because we did not, Neanderthals were a different species that lived alongside ours, as you would find out in your research……lucy the australopithecus afarensis, her descendant autralopithecus africanus, paranthropus aethipicus, paranthropus bosei, homo habilis, homo ergaster, homo erectus, homo floresiensis, cro-magnon, neanderthals…these are claimed to be “branched out missing links,” and not linear connections to help the theory of evolution’s case…which leads me to the question, are there really “missing links” if evolution happens in branches and not of a direct line process?..again the wiggle room…
Where does the theory of evolution stand as to this very moment?..you keep on citing the gravity, but what you are underplaying to say is that, gravity was proven, and what about the theory of evolution, is it considered fool proof?.. Is it proven?..if so, then why is it still called a “theory?”……
We all await for the very conclusive evidence of it being a fact….sooo……evolutionists…hasten up, do your job!!!
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