Scott Hahn Article in "New Oxford Review"

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I certainly have to agree with WHIT who posits that there must be some envy going on among the folks in this thread.

<<<< If Scott Hahn is or has taught ANYTHING that stands against Church teaching, then spell it out.>>>>>>>

As far as I know all his publications carry the Nihil Obstat and/or
Imprimatur from some Church official qualified to execute them.

What the H___ is the problem?

Tom Skalman
Las Vegas, NV
 
Gosh, all this envy on Scott Hahn. His success is that he speaks from the heart–and his messages go directly to his listeners, something which his detractors couldn’t do for a much longer time they were in the Church than Scott is. I admire the man–his tireless work to defend the Church, and his generosity even to those who disagree with him. I think this envy should stop; it’s not doing anyone any good, least of all those who envy themselves. It makes them look bad, and only makes Scott Hahn even more compelling. It was Scott Hahn’s testimonial in “Rome Sweet Home” which made me take a second look at my Catholic Faith, and realize what a treasure I have in it.
 
Peace be with you all,

I have Scripture Matters by Scott Hahn and I have really enjoyed it greatly. Bless Him and Bless all of you.

Peace, Love and Blessings.
 
Re I certainly have to agree with WHIT who posits that there must be some envy going on among the folks in this thread.
I am reminded of a family event some years ago. My mother and my sister were out driving with my sister’s three or four year old in the back seat. One of them commented on a small girs by the side of the road and how cute she was. My niece was heard to mutter “I’d like to hit her.”

Some of our theologians aren’t that much over three years in their social development.😉
 
That article bashes Hahn for using the marriage covenant, as opposed to the suzerain-vassal, as a guide for understanding God’s relationship with humanity (both Old and New Covenants). The author even questions his orthodoxy at this point, but I think its interesting to note that Robert Sungenis uses the same line of reasoning for explaining God’s covenental relationship with humanity in his book Not by Bread Alone. Both authors have received Nihil Obstat and/or Imprimatur for their works…I don’t understand what the big fuss is. Perhaps this is just a more correct way of understanding Scripture.
 
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kallen:
From a staunch Presbyterian part of the country, I applaud Scott Hahn. He is more understood, I think, by Protestants than cradle Catholics.

Coming from a Presbyterian background, trust me, Scott Hahn is doing a great job.

K
They are not used to the language.
 
Melman:
As an example, his comparison of the family (mom, dad, kids) to the Trinity always made me a little nervous.
Really? Does Pope John Paul II’s “Theology of the Body” make you nervous?
The Holy Father describes the body as a “theology” because the human body, in the mystery of sexual difference and our call to union, is meant to be a sign of God’s own life and love in the world.
It’s a long book too, so try Christopher West’s “Theology of the Body for Beginners”. 😃

christopherwest.com/store.asp#tobb
 
I don’t know who the author is in the New Oxford Review, but he doesn’t exactly know Church teaching or the best scientific methods.

For example he writes “From a Catholic theologian and exegete such as Hahn, this set of deliverances is startling. The binding force of the early decrees of the Pontifical Biblical Commission are universally acknowledged, even among conservative churchmen, to have entirely lapsed. The 1948 letter specifically retracted the force of the 1906 reply on Mosaic authorship, saying it was “in no way a hindrance to further truly scientific examination” of the question; thus it is impossible to say that the Church “maintains the traditional view of Mosaic authorship” (note Hahn’s present tense). Far from the early decrees “not [beingl strictly or necessarily infallible per se,” they are not infallible at all.”

This is entirely false. The early decrees of the Pontifical Biblical Commission have never “lapsed”. They are still binding Church teaching, by command of Pope Pius X and they have never ever been revoked.

Second, authorship of scriptures is to be scientifically determined. In the secular world, authorship is always determined by giving predominate weight to external evidence. Internal evidence is seldom of value, except to perhaps confirm external evidence.
For example, the authors of the writings of the Church Fathers are determined by external evidence.

The idea that Moses was in no way the author of the Pentatuch is based on a philosophy that internal evidence should be primary. This philosophy was invented by athiests who in order to put doubt in historical certainly of what was related in the scriptures. It is ONLY used by some biblical scholars who have been influenced by these athiests, such as the author of the article in the New Oxford Review. The idea that internal evidence should be primary is NEVER used in the secular world to determine the authorship of any secular books. In other words, it is not scientific method of determining authorship.

I have found Scott Hahn to be extremely orthodox and scientific in his approach to the bible. In fact, I can’t think of anyone better regarding biblical scholarship.

In fact, Scott is very modest in what he has done, but in Romans 9-11, he cleared up some problems that even St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine could not understand, and no biblical scholar has understood until he figured the meaning of these chapters.
He has these on tapes called “All Israel Will be Saved”
I listened to them and they are wonderful.

This web site has small summary of the problem.
http://www.catholiccompany.com/product_detail.cfm?ID=3967”]http://www.catholiccompany.com/product_detail.cfm?ID=3967

He is positively brilliant.
 
The author of the New Oxford Review article also writes:

In particular, theonomy (“God’s Law”) holds that the Old Law is binding except where it is expressly modified by the New Testament. According to Reconstructionism, every area of life and every culture on earth needs to be brought into conformity with God’s Law. As a result, advocates of this school of thought argue for a slow Christianization of modern society that would result in a New Testament-modified version of the Old Testament laws being brought into force. This is seen as involving the curbing of religious liberty and increased use of the death penalty for a wide range of offenses mentioned in the Old Testament. Though controversial even within the movement, the execution of incorrigible youth (based on Deut. 21:18-21) and the reintroduction of a form of slavery (based on a variety of Old Testament texts) are supported by many theonomists.
It should be pointed out that Hahn has not advocated these. Indeed, his recent works are largely devoid of political thought, so his views on them are unknown.


Obviously this author knows very little of Scott Hahn’s writings or tapes. Scott was the first one to make it clear to me that Christians were NEVER under the Old Law. Thus, he could never even think of a New Testament version of the Old Testament laws being brought into force.

The author obviously does not understand that Jesus did not change any of the Old Law. Jesus instead gave an entirly new law. Not one iota of the Old Law was changed.

Scott teaches what the Church has always taught, and that is that Christians were never under the Old Law of Moses. Never.

As soon as a Jew became a Christian, he passed from being under the authority of the Old Law, to the authority of the New Law.(which is the Gospel as the Church teaches it) Just as when a person moves from Ohio to Texas, he is soon no longer under the laws of Ohio, but he is now under the laws of Texas.
Thus Christians can never be under any part of the Old Law. Christians never even had to follow the ten commandments of the Law of Moses. Never. They had to follow the natural law written in their hearts, the moral law and as taught by Jesus, of which the 10 commandments were a written version of that law. The ten commandments that God gave to Moses were a written expresson of this moral law, that God gave to the Israelites alone.

The extensive use of the death penalty for the Old Law was because when the Jews left Egypt, they did not have any civil laws at all. So God gave the civil laws to the Jews as part of the Old Law, or the Law of Moses, but they were not the moral law, but the civil law, which was specific ONLY for the Jews. The ceremonial laws or ritual laws were also given to the Israelites alone.

No other person on earth was required to follow the Old Law, they were only for the Jews and these laws are passing away.

Everyone on earth has to follow the moral law. This law is expressed in the Old Law as the ten commandments. But, everyone on earth was not under the ten commandments of the Old Law, but they were under the ten commandments as written on our hearts. Scott makes it clear that the Old Law was ONLY for the Jews. This is also Church teaching.

Thus again, no part of the Old Law can ever be binding on Christians. Not even the ten commandments of the Old Law.
The ten commandments are binding on Christians today because they are part of the natural law, that Jesus taught to His Church,
NOT because we once had to follow the Old Law of Moses.
 
Melman:
But neither you nor I have the training to make that judgment. Anyway, read the article. Hahn IS a professional theologian. That’s all he’s ever done.

People like Hahn. He writes readable books and he looks good on TV. Does that mean everything he teaches, should be believed and incorporated into daily living? As an example, his comparison of the family (mom, dad, kids) to the Trinity always made me a little nervous.

The article raises some good questions about it too. It makes clear, in a long-winded way, is that many of his ideas aren’t “really” Magisterial teaching. They are new ideas, they are in a grey area, they have not been “peer reviewed” like new academic ideas ought to be. I thought it was interesting reading.
Oh Gee get off your highhorse Mel you seem to have some hate for the guy. The family and trinity alogies have been used by catholics many times heck the uber catholic Frank Sheed has used it the Pope has used it. Just because your little mind doesn’t get it doesn’t mean catholics shouldn’t use it. You make it sound everything he comes up with is protestant it is not. His covenant theology has strong roots in catholcism and judaism just because it is alos present in Calvinism doesn’t mean catholics and jews have to chuck it.
Your prejudice against converts is showing not only against him but he mention a list of converts as well.
 
Once again,

I don’t know what the h_ll the problem a couple of folks (Melman) have with Scott Hahn.

Is it some sort of theo-envy whereby a cradle-type can’t
quite grasp the actual tenets of the Catholic faith because he’s being taken to school by a (cough) convert? Hmmm???

The article and the yeah-yeah-yeahs that have shown up (of all places) here are really dumb.

Scott, in one of his excellent books and tape presentations, packs more punch than a couple Herraduras.

God Bless,

Tom Skalman
Las Vegas, NV
 
The basis of this thread is an article about Scott Hahn by another person.

A better way to judge the correctness of Scott’s writings is to actually read them.

So far I have not yet come across anything that is against Catholic teaching.

Although I have not yet read all his works.

I have only respect and admiration for Scott and his wife.
 
Covenental relationships within the faith is a very Maronite Catholic point of view as well and the Maronite Catholic Church is very Hebrew in its traditions being originally descendants of Phoenicians and Jews in Lebanon. It has long been a part of Maronite Catholic theology. Indeed it is part of the church’s theology on a broad base. I am confounded how some Catholics who are otherwise intelligent can not grasp this.

I think that there is another issue at play here… envy, or, ignorance… I don’t know which.

Scott Hahn is right on the money.
 
Catholicguy said:
The article saysI have to admit, his “enthusiasm” often rubs me the wrong way. Many EWTN shows are hosted by former ministers and I have the same reaction (Grodi, Steve Wood, Curtis Martin, etc.). For what that’s worth

Dittoes. I find the “men” rather feminine and too enthusiastic.

That’s a personal attack and a very uncharitable thing to say.

I find his enthusiam of our Lord Jesus Christ very contagious. He has led so many Protestants home to the Catholic Church.

How many have you led??
 
The article fails to mention a couple key points I think. The author is making the claim that Hahn is presenting ideas that may not necessarily be Catholic or are speculative. Two of the examples the author uses are Hahn’s 4th Cup talk and his writings about the maternal aspects of the Holy Spirit. In the 4th cup tape set I have Hahn states that his interpretation is not Catholic doctrine and does not have to be believed by any Catholic. Also in the book First Comes Love when Hahn is talking about the maternal apsects of the Holy Spirit, Hahn makes a statement like if the Church says he is wrong he will be the first to rip the pages out of the book or something to that affect. The article tries to make it look like Hahn is trying to get away with things, but in at least two of the examples the author is not totally honest about how Hahn has framed the information in my opinion.

Tateman
 
From reading some of Hahn’s stuff, I can see how the concept of the covenant is pervasive in his thought. I think this is a great thing, because of the historical and cultural thinking that is brought to the table in interpreting Scripture…why not try to look at the Bible through the eyes of its contemporaries?

It is even more interesting is how his exegesis of the covenant theme draws many more conclusions that are thoroughly Catholic. For example, the ideas of “oaths” and “covenants” in ancient times paralleling the sacraments of the Church (from his book Swear to God). Having had the privilege of meeting and talking with him in person, I can only say that he is an extremely intelligent man who is on fire for Christ and His Church.
 
carol marie:
That’s a personal attack and a very uncharitable thing to say.

I find his enthusiam of our Lord Jesus Christ very contagious. He has led so many Protestants home to the Catholic Church.

How many have you led??
I love Scott Hahn, and his love for our Church. He is an inspiration and a blessing to Catholics, and Protestants alike.

Also, amen to that carol marie!

Peace,
Michael
 
Scott Hahn is not my cup of tea but that doesn’t mean that many do not like him or that I think there is anything wrong.

We must remember that he is only a theologian and therefore outside of the Magisterium. If there is anything really wrong then the Church will act, until they do so I think he is fine.

In my case, I do not care for his approach. He was a protestant minister and trained as a theologian though Presbyterian schools. He was not trained as a Catholic Theologian. I believe that Presbyterians are of the Covenant Theological school. When I was a protestant I looked into theology, mainly the Covenant and the Dispensational Theological schools of thought.

I am not surprised that he has carried this over. This is one of the reasons I do not care for him, but again, that is personal preference.

I do not think any posters here are doing so out of envy. I also do not think that any theologians that are raising questions about Mr Hahn’s approach to theology are doing so out of envy. This claim is just a way to dismiss those who question him or do not prefer him.

But then again, all of this is just my opinion.
 
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ByzCath:
In my case, I do not care for his approach. He was a protestant minister and trained as a theologian though Presbyterian schools. He was not trained as a Catholic Theologian.
Actually, he received his doctorate in systematic theology from Marquette University, learning under Jesuits and Franciscans. I don’t think he’d be allowed to teach theology at institutions like the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross (Rome), Pontifical College Josephinum (Ohio), St. Vincent’s Seminary ¶, and Franciscan University (Ohio) if he wasn’t thoroughly Catholic in his theology.
 
Deus Solus:
Actually, he received his doctorate in systematic theology from Marquette University, learning under Jesuits and Franciscans. I don’t think he’d be allowed to teach theology at institutions like the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross (Rome), Pontifical College Josephinum (Ohio), St. Vincent’s Seminary ¶, and Franciscan University (Ohio) if he wasn’t thoroughly Catholic in his theology.
I never said he wasn’t thoroughly Catholic in his theology. What I said is that I can detect some of his protestant thought within his theology.
 
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