Scott Hahn referring to Holy Spirit as she

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I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about Scott Hahn referring to the Holy Spirit as a she, some people have mentioned this to me, and seem to think he’s creeping towards liberalism by saying this. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this or what it is he is talking about regarding this issue.

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Kaily said:
I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about Scott Hahn referring to the Holy Spirit as a she, some people have mentioned this to me, and seem to think he’s creeping towards liberalism by saying this. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this or what it is he is talking about regarding this issue.

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I would have to say that I doubt he did that. It was probably a misunderstanding. He calls the Church, and rightly, she but I have never heard him refer to the Holy Spirit as “she”
 
Kaily said:
I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about Scott Hahn referring to the Holy Spirit as a she, some people have mentioned this to me, and seem to think he’s creeping towards liberalism by saying this. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this or what it is he is talking about regarding this issue.

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Scott Hahn is one of the very few among laymen that can conduct teachings to Priest, so, I wouldn’t worry about anything he says.

Why not go to his site and see what he’s like?

scotthahn.com/

This is good too:

Scott Hahn’s teaching, conversion story draws huge crowd to speaker series
By Tanya Connor
3/28/2008

“I was at the edge of my pew: ‘My Lord, that’s you, isn’t it?’”

Scott Hahn addresses a crowd of about 500 listeners as part of a recent speaker series at Immaculate Conception Parish in Fitchburg, Mass. The renowned convert and author is a popular presenter for his conversion story as well as his clear teachings on the Catholic faith.

Scott Hahn, Presbyterian minister turned Catholic author and speaker was describing the first time he witnessed the consecration at Mass.

I’m sitting there stunned,” he told a packed Immaculate Conception Church Saturday. “Where have I been? …

read the rest here:

catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=27358
 
Perhaps he was speaking about Sophia, I think, that is – or is, if I am mistaken with the name “Sophia” – Wisdom personified as a woman in the Old Testament. I believe Wisdom personified in the Old Testament is a “type” (or whatever you call it) of the Holy Spirit, so perhaps he was talking about that at the time.
 
Would it scandalize you to know that Holy Spirit in Greek is NEUTER–that is, it?
 
Priest today at Mass said the Trinity is like a mother to us. Surely he was making reference to H.S.
 
bpbasilphx said:
Would it scandalize you to know that Holy Spirit in Greek is NEUTER–that is, it?
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Do you know why then the Holy Spirit is translated as *he *in English?

Jn 14, 26: But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,*** he*** will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you
 
Theodora said:
Do you know why then the Holy Spirit is translated as *he *in English?

Jn 14, 26: But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,*** he*** will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you
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It does say ekeinos in Greek in p66, p75, Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, so that suggests that the term referring to the Holy Spirit was indeed masculine.

I would have to see the context to know more. We know that the Bible in Wisdom and in Proverbs refers to the Wisdom of God as feminine, going so far in proverbs as to refer to her as a sister.

If Scott Hahn is not referring to the Holy Spirit, but the gift of Wisdom which comes from the Holy Spirit, there would seem to be no issue.
 
Kaily said:
I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about Scott Hahn referring to the Holy Spirit as a she, some people have mentioned this to me, and seem to think he’s creeping towards liberalism by saying this. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this or what it is he is talking about regarding this issue.

God Bless
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Not to doubt you, but I know I’d need some proof of Scott Hahn saying ‘she’ way beyond “some people have mentioned this to me” applying such usage to the Holy Spirit. This kind of gossip doesn’t sound a bit like Scott Hahn.
 
But the NT was NOT written in English.

To pnevma agio is gramatically neuter.

My point is that trying to establish theological views (for example, Hahn’s supposed “going liberal”) on the basis of pronouns is a fruitless exercise.
 
andrewagill said:
It does say ekeinos in Greek in p66, p75, Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, so that suggests that the term referring to the Holy Spirit was indeed masculine.

I would have to see the context to know more. We know that the Bible in Wisdom and in Proverbs refers to the Wisdom of God as feminine, going so far in proverbs as to refer to her as a sister.

If Scott Hahn is not referring to the Holy Spirit, but the gift of Wisdom which comes from the Holy Spirit, there would seem to be no issue.
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Wisdom is one of the attributes of God, so I don’t have a problem that noun being referred to as feminine.

The Holy Spirit is one of the three Persons of the Holy Trinity.
 
Theodora said:
Wisdom is one of the attributes of God, so I don’t have a problem that noun being referred to as feminine.

The Holy Spirit is one of the three Persons of the Holy Trinity.
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Right. Without the quote in question, I don’t believe we can assess what he’s allegedly saying.

For example, what if Scott Hahn had said, ``God sends his Holy Spirit and Wisdom and she instructs us.’’

That would be an acceptable statement, since it identifies Wisdom as feminine, not the Holy Spirit, but I could see how you could interpret it as referring to the Holy Spirit as feminine and be scandalized.

(Personally, with the close connection between the Holy Spirit and Wisdom, I try to avoid all pronouns when referring to the Holy Spirit, since I cannot be sure which may be right)
 
Kaily said:
I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about Scott Hahn referring to the Holy Spirit as a she, some people have mentioned this to me, and seem to think he’s creeping towards liberalism by saying this. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this or what it is he is talking about regarding this issue.

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In Hebrew the word for spirit (ruach) is feminine[25]. In Greek the word (pneuma) is neuter[25], and in Aramaic, the language which is generally considered to have been spoken by Jesus, the word is feminine.

from wikipedia

Look up “holy spirit” and feminine in google.

God the Father for sure is Masculine, Jesus taught us, God the Son is certainly masculine, we know Him… The Spirit is just that … spirit… no physical gender.

Would it really blow your theology to learn that God has feminine aspects?
 
Kaily said:
I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about Scott Hahn referring to the Holy Spirit as a she, some people have mentioned this to me, and seem to think he’s creeping towards liberalism by saying this. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this or what it is he is talking about regarding this issue.

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This came up several years ago in this forum. If there was a problem, I’d think one could find a retraction or apology. I’m guessing, there wasn’t a problem.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=35381
 
From the Douay Rheims Bible, Gospel of John, Chapter 3:

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"6 That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit. 7 Wonder not, that I said to thee, you must be born again. 8 The Spirit breatheth where he will; and thou hearest his voice, but thou knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."**

The Speaker is Jesus.
 
Hahn’s teaching on a number of different topics of faith and morals is not orthodox.

Concerning use of the feminine to refer to the Holy Spirit:

“4/4. Similarly, in keeping with the Church’s tradition, the feminine and neuter pronouns are not to be used to refer to the person of the Holy Spirit.”

The 1997 Vatican Norms for Translation of Biblical Texts
bible-researcher.com/vatican-norms.html
 
Ron_Conte said:
Hahn’s teaching on a number of different topics of faith and morals is not orthodox.

Concerning use of the feminine to refer to the Holy Spirit:

“4/4. Similarly, in keeping with the Church’s tradition, the feminine and neuter pronouns are not to be used to refer to the person of the Holy Spirit.”

The 1997 Vatican Norms for Translation of Biblical Texts
bible-researcher.com/vatican-norms.html
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The 1997 Vatican Norms for Translation of Biblical Texts

In the Spring of 1997 Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, presented to American bishops the “Norms for the Translation of Biblical Texts for Use in the Liturgy” reproduced below. **These norms were intended to bring an end to the continuing conflict over inclusive language in the lectionary. **

That is not the same!
Scott Hahn would never alter scripture or liturgy.
 
As improbable as it sounds, I think someone is mixing up Scott Hahn with Andrew Greeley. 😉
 
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