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Scott Hahn is a devout Catholic. He is loyal to the Church. I hate to see him being downgraded to that of a heretic, especially when it comes from the mouth of fellow Catholics. **Perhaps they are jealous of him. In 2005, he was appointed as the Pope Benedict XVI Chair of Biblical Theology and Liturgical Proclamation at St. Vincent Seminary in Latrobe, Pennsylvania **

**SHAME ON YOU CATHOLICS **AND PEOPLE WHO DEGRADE SCOTT HAHN!!! IT IS ALSO A SIN TO GOSSIP AND SPEAK ILL OF ONE ANOTHER.

This is not Christlike nor is it the behavior of a Catholic. I think those Catholics in here who speak ill of others SHOULD GO To Confession. You defame the Blessed Eucharist by insulting a Catholic Scott Hahn.

SHAME ON YOU!
You are a bit misguided but I like your zeal. It is never a sin to corrects a brother. St. Paul corrected St. Peter(the Pope) on eating with gentiles. Have there been non-doctrinal errors of judgement on non-doctrinal issues in the past forty years, I believe so. To say and do nothing in these cases is sin. Obedience to disobedience, is disobedience. If you can stand around and do nothing while the Church loses Catholics and obedience to Holy Tradition which is unchanging, just as scripture and tradition, then woe to you. It is very scriptural, that many will fall away to false teachings, and the wolves in sheeps clothing. I am not saying that Mr. Hahn is this, but he is involved in some of the non-traditional practices that have brought the Church so many problems the last forty years i.e. lack of vocations, lack of belief in the Presence, fewer to confession, more divorce, birth control, more leaving the Church etc. Defaming the blessed sacrament? About only 30% of Catholics believe in it now in your new liberal Church. Christ came not for peace, but to divide. This is where we separate brother. I will stand on judgement day with a clear concious, while you point your finger at the Pope and Mr. Hahn for your non-doctrinal errors that you have made your life. Pray for discernment.
 
You are a bit misguided but I like your zeal. It is never a sin to corrects a brother. St. Paul corrected St. Peter(the Pope) on eating with gentiles. Have there been non-doctrinal errors of judgement on non-doctrinal issues in the past forty years, I believe so. To say and do nothing in these cases is sin. Obedience to disobedience, is disobedience. If you can stand around and do nothing while the Church loses Catholics and obedience to Holy Tradition which is unchanging, just as scripture and tradition, then woe to you. It is very scriptural, that many will fall away to false teachings, and the wolves in sheeps clothing. I am not saying that Mr. Hahn is this, but he is involved in some of the non-traditional practices that have brought the Church so many problems the last forty years i.e. lack of vocations, lack of belief in the Presence, fewer to confession, more divorce, birth control, more leaving the Church etc. Defaming the blessed sacrament? About only 30% of Catholics believe in it now in your new liberal Church. Christ came not for peace, but to divide. This is where we separate brother. I will stand on judgement day with a clear concious, while you point your finger at the Pope and Mr. Hahn for your non-doctrinal errors that you have made your life. Pray for discernment.
 
You are a bit misguided but I like your zeal. It is never a sin to corrects a brother. St. Paul corrected St. Peter(the Pope) on eating with gentiles. Have there been non-doctrinal errors of judgement on non-doctrinal issues in the past forty years, I believe so. To say and do nothing in these cases is sin. Obedience to disobedience, is disobedience. If you can stand around and do nothing while the Church loses Catholics and obedience to Holy Tradition which is unchanging, just as scripture and tradition, then woe to you. It is very scriptural, that many will fall away to false teachings, and the wolves in sheeps clothing. I am not saying that Mr. Hahn is this, but he is involved in some of the non-traditional practices that have brought the Church so many problems the last forty years i.e. lack of vocations, lack of belief in the Presence, fewer to confession, more divorce, birth control, more leaving the Church etc. Defaming the blessed sacrament? About only 30% of Catholics believe in it now in your new liberal Church. Christ came not for peace, but to divide. This is where we separate brother. I will stand on judgement day with a clear concious, while you point your finger at the Pope and Mr. Hahn for your non-doctrinal errors that you have made your life. Pray for discernment.
I now see what the problem here is–you have obviously not read his books. For if you had, you would know that he and his wife threw out the birth control while they were still Protestants (Rome Sweet Home); he has written a book on the Mass and the Eucharist and very definitely believes in Transubstantiation and the Real Presence (The Lamb’s Supper), Confession (Lord Have Mercy); the Sacraments (Swear to God); he is devoted to the Blessed Virgin and the Rosary (Hail Holy Queen); there is nothing in Scott Hahn that contrary to Church teaching.

You have slandered Mr Hahn by associating him with those “liberals” who believe in birth control, divorce, who do not believe in the Real Presence, etc. which you state above.

Disagreement is one thing, actual slander is another. Unless and until you actually read his books and come back with a thoughtful and informed opinion on what he has written, you have no right to post any opinions on his work. Now, can you tell us you have read them? A simple yes or no answer is all that is needed to establish your credibility in this discussion.
 
This is not Christlike nor is it the behavior of a Catholic. I think those Catholics in here who speak ill of others SHOULD GO To Confession. You defame the Blessed Eucharist by insulting a Catholic Scott Hahn.

SHAME ON YOU!
How exactly would that be defamation of the Holy Eucharist?
 
I’m not a huge Hahn follower, but has he ever published anything about the Charismatic Movement? I do not recall ever hearing of it. Not that I have been paying attention.
I have enjoyed what I have read and heard from Scott, but I am not a follower either. I couldn’t say if he has or has not.
 
How exactly would that be defamation of the Holy Eucharist?
By defaming a fellow Catholic, Scott Hahn. It is not very Christlike to ridicule or mock Catholics consider the fact that Dr. Hahn’s loyalty to the Church is more than your disobedience.

Let me put it this way. Before the reception of Eucharist, you must examine yourself first. You cannot received Communion if you have any serious sin in you. By spreading or mocking a Catholic, would degrade. You are also not living up to the commandment, that you shall love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Base on this thread. Your posts have exceedingly been hostile to Scott Hahn. Do you think Jesus Christ himself would find your mockery of a Catholic worthy to received him in Holy Communion? You ought to examine yourself, go to confession, and stop acting like your jealous of him. I’m assuming that you are because your anger towards him is shown throughout this thread.
 
By defaming a fellow Catholic, Scott Hahn. It is not very Christlike to ridicule or mock Catholics consider the fact that Dr. Hahn’s loyalty to the Church is more than your disobedience.

Let me put it this way. Before the reception of Eucharist, you must examine yourself first. You cannot received Communion if you have any serious sin in you. By spreading or mocking a Catholic, would degrade. You are also not living up to the commandment, that you shall love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Base on this thread. Your posts have exceedingly been hostile to Scott Hahn. Do you think Jesus Christ himself would find your mockery of a Catholic worthy to received him in Holy Communion? You ought to examine yourself, go to confession, and stop acting like your jealous of him. I’m assuming that you are because your anger towards him is shown throughout this thread.
I think you may have confused me with latinmass, but I’ll address the other issues anyway.
First, it’s not defaming the Eucharist to question quirky statements by another Catholic. Second, you know little of our position in the Church (in the event that we’re wrong, we’re still protected by the “spirit” of V-II). Third, you yourself are “degrading the Eucharist” by condemning Catholics who do not revere Dr. Hahn as a mini-god:eek: . In the Old *and *New Law, love for God comes *first, before *our neighbor. I read his books, listen to his tapes (want more of his stuff, in fact) but I don’t take every word out of his mouth as Gospel. For future reference, so this doesn’t get thrown out later, I’m jealous of no one who defends the greatness of the New Rite, and if you did in fact confuse me with latinmass, you’re falsely accusing him/her, which is sinful and requires confession. Still assuming there was a mix-up, being anry at somebody doesn’t imply jealousy. It’s a righteous anger concerning the Faith Christ left us with. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Scott Hahn has never called the Holy Spirit a “she”.

I love the fact that those who have criticized Dr. Hahn give no quotations by Hahn. All they can do is quote other critics of Hahn’s work.

This is absolutely absurd. Actually, it is sinful–it is libel. Yes, it is wrong to correct a brother, but you’re supposed to go to him privately first! Moreover, there must be something to correct him about! Hahn has NEVER called the Holy Spirit “she”.

What Hahn is saying is what many others have said: Cardinal Ratzinger, Edith Stein, and Maximilian Kolbe, etc. You’d better read his article over at www.salvationhistory.com a little more closely–pay special attention to his footnotes.

Oh yeah…

Scott Hahn will be at Good Shepherd Church in San Diego (Mira Mesa) November 16th, @ 7pm. Dr. Brant Pitre will be there too.

Don’t miss out!
 
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Yes, it is wrong to correct a brother,

You mean "No, it is not wrong to correct a brother, " right?

I believe—there is a “different interpretation” of scripture and Church teaching making its way thru the Church.
 
“They do not seem to me to offer a probable opinion to believe that, with regard to human nature, the trinity of the image of God in three persons can so be found as to be completed in the marriage of man and woman and their offspring … they say, the third person, as it were of the Spirit, would be the woman who so proceeded from the man as to be neither his son nor his daughter …” St. Augustine, On the Holy Trinity, Book 12, Chapter 5.
 
You are a bit misguided but I like your zeal. It is never a sin to corrects a brother. St. Paul corrected St. Peter(the Pope) on eating with gentiles. Have there been non-doctrinal errors of judgement on non-doctrinal issues in the past forty years, I believe so. To say and do nothing in these cases is sin. Obedience to disobedience, is disobedience. If you can stand around and do nothing while the Church loses Catholics and obedience to Holy Tradition which is unchanging, just as scripture and tradition, then woe to you. It is very scriptural, that many will fall away to false teachings, and the wolves in sheeps clothing. I am not saying that Mr. Hahn is this, but he is involved in some of the non-traditional practices that have brought the Church so many problems the last forty years i.e. lack of vocations, lack of belief in the Presence, fewer to confession, more divorce, birth control, more leaving the Church etc. Defaming the blessed sacrament? About only 30% of Catholics believe in it now in your new liberal Church. Christ came not for peace, but to divide. This is where we separate brother. I will stand on judgement day with a clear concious, while you point your finger at the Pope and Mr. Hahn for your non-doctrinal errors that you have made your life. Pray for discernment.
Your conscience may be clear, but unless you are united to the One Holy Catholic Church and the Supreme Pontiff, judgement day will not go well for you. After all, “no salvation outside the Church.”
 
Your conscience may be clear, but unless you are united to the One Holy Catholic Church and the Supreme Pontiff, judgement day will not go well for you. After all, “no salvation outside the Church.”
But what does that mean really? Never questioning, going along with everything, or “holding fast to the traditions I have handed on to you, whether by word of mouth or in writinng;” which is correct? The Church today loves to emphasize conscience; the only ones not permitted to do this are those who question some questionable actions/words of the Pope or upper hierarchy.

I could be wrong, but that’s the way it seems.
 
I could be wrong, but that’s the way it seems.
The Church has always emphasized conscience, however Her pastors in the past did a better job at emphasizing one very key aspect of conscience - its formation.

Make no mistake that the Church Herself still emphasizes the formation of conscience just as well as She ever did. In fact, thanks to the modern tendancy for people to miss this point, the Church has emphasized the formation of conscience, one might make a fair arguement, even more strongly than in the past; its simply been needed more than in the past where such a thing was obvious to people.

Unfortunately, many priests and catechists have not conveyed this teaching to the faithful on Her behalf. While I can say from some experience that this problem - based on the quality of the young priests and seminarians that I am seeing - will more than likely be eliminated in the relatively immediate future, nevertheless it has been a problem for three decades now, and so its impact has been had.

We are all bound to follow our consciences, for that is how we will be judged. If I believe that eating a cheese sandwhich is wrong and I do it anyways, I have still made a choice for evil, even though the act itself was perfectly acceptable. Similarly, if I believe truly and sincerely that the use of artificial contraception in marriage is not wrong, even though I might do something which is objectively evil, I have still not made a choice for evil and have, in my heart, tried to do what was right - and this is how I will be judged.

Yet artificial contraception is wrong, even if I sincerely believe otherwise. And so it is not enough to say that we all do what we believe is right. Rather, we must do what we believe is right after having sought the truth about what is right in a given situation. We must properly form our consciences, that is, conform our consciences to truth - conform them to God. And we will be held accountable for the degree to which we strive to do this.

As Catholics we know that the way we conform our consciences to God is by conforming them to His teachings as given us by Holy Mother Church, for She is His mouthpiece on earth. Ultimately, forming our consciences is as simple as obeying the Church’s teachings.

This is why those who fail to submit to the Church in some way are admonished and are not said to be properly following their consciences. They may be following their consciences, but they have not properly formed their consciences.

Now of course it is critical to acknowledge that one need not give the submission of faith to ech word that proceeds forth from the mouth of the Supreme Pontiff. Popes can err, and more than likely even the sainted ones - such as Leo , whom we honor today - did. And so to on occassion question the words of those who are not yet enshrined on the Roman Calendar, such as Paul VI or John Paul II or Benedict XVI, is perfectly reasonable.

The error made by many, however, is to assume that simply because a Pope, or the Church through some other means, is not speaking with the full power of the infallible magisterium, we need not submit in any way. Truth be told, we owe - to use the phrase given us by the Second Vatican Council - religious submission to all teachings of the Church. And even in matters not pertaining to faith and morals, we owe obedience to those lawfully placed over us in the Church, excepting only cases wherin we are called to sin.

And when it comes to the Church Herself, this is not even a consideration, for as Pope Pius VI taught, it is not possible for the Church to bind the faithful to sin. Thus any official discipline of the Church must be given full submission of obedience without any reservations. Any difficulties we see in these commands our on the part of our own difficulties in understanding, for it is impossible that the Church is doing wrong in these matters.

I believe, latinmasslover, that the reason that Catholics of the more traditional mindset seem to come under criticism for this more often that those of the liberal mindset is because traditional Catholics are not lacking in the catechesis to understand these points. In short, they ought to already know that they owe the Church these things, and so while the disobedience of liberals is gravely wrong and must need be corrected, the disobedience of the traditionalists is without any excuse whatsoever, for as it is written, “To whom much is given much is expected,” and again, “If I had not spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.”
 
Obedience is at the service of the Faith, not the Faith to obedience.

I don’t mean to pick a fight here, just an emphasis I wanted to make. I like what you said, Lazer; I feel the same way. The only diffence that may exist, I think, is that I feel that we have to be very cautious. These days (unfortunately) we cannot just blindly obey. Maybe you agree with this, but disagree with the details?
 
Obedience is at the service of the Faith, not the Faith to obedience.

I don’t mean to pick a fight here, just an emphasis I wanted to make. I like what you said, Lazer; I feel the same way. The only diffence that may exist, I think, is that I feel that we have to be very cautious. These days (unfortunately) we cannot just blindly obey. Maybe you agree with this, but disagree with the details?
Where I disagree with you is that I believe, as the Church has always taught, that obedience must be blind except in the singular case of sin. If obedience is not blind, it is not obedience at all, but simply agreement.

In other words, if obedience is blind, then I am really doing what I am told for no other sake than because I was told to do so. I am being obedient for the sake of obedience. On the other hand, if I am not obeying blindly, then I am not really obeying at all. I am just agreeing with the stuff that others tell me to do and so complying, but my compliance is to myself moreso than to those giving me the commands, because if I decide that I disagree with the command given, then I won’t be doing it.

I’m going to give another “in other words” here, because I am trying to be really clear on what I’m trying to say, not because I think you’re stupid or anything. 🙂

It’s really all about what “filters” a person has in their brain. With obedience, there is one singular filter - the sin filter. Any command a person is given by a lawful superior passes through that filter. If it’s a sin, it stops there and the person doesn’t do it. If it’s not a sin, then no matter what it is, it’s done. There are no other “good idea” filters, or, “I like this” filters, or, “this will help souls” filters. Just the sin one. If there are any other filters in there besides the sin filter, then it’s not really obedience, because there is always some power of approval you’re giving yourself over the commands.

So if you a person doesn’t blindly obey all things but sin, then the person isn’t really obeying anything, but is just agreeing with his or her superior on most things.
 
Scott Hahn has some very good material. His Last Supper was part of my introduction to the Mass and I recall having shivers up my spine when hearing parts of it. I truly believe Scott has been an instrument for our Lord to bring people like me into a truer understanding and relationship with our Lord Jesus through the Catholic Church.

I would like to add that the teachings of the Catholic Church has matters that are still open to speculation and are not defined, not doctrinated or dogma. Many theologians will discuss these areas within what the church allows with a developed conscious. I can not imagine Scott Hahn has taught anything outside of the Catholic Church’s Canon.
 
How can one understand preV2 teachings and not question the false ecumenism that are rampant today?, charismatic movement?, altar girls?
Where is his book on decline of confession? Catholics leaving Church? Decline in belief of Presence? Fewer priests? He mixes truth with modernism, very dangerous, because people take it all in as truth. A wolf in sheeps clothing? Bringing people to this faith with errors?
I am not sure what to think so I will give you benefit of the doubt…

Based on your statement above you are either telling a bald faced lie or are not familiar (at all) with Dr. Hahn.

He has an entire book devoted to Confession called lord Have mercy.

You are making some really fantatstic statements regard wolves and sheeps clothing and the like…Could you give some specific concrete examples of Dr. Hahns error…(please provide first hand sources from Dr. Hahn and not a 3rd party like SSPX)
 
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