Scottish archbishop tells Catholics not to kneel for communion

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Scottish archbishop tells Catholics not to kneel for communion
Glasgow, Scotland, Aug 30, 2011 / 12:56 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Archbishop of Glasgow, Scotland has told Catholics in his archdiocese not to kneel to receive communion.

“The Faithful should follow the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, namely coming to communion in procession and standing to receive Holy Communion,” wrote Archbishop Mario Conti in a letter to all his priests, dated August 25.
“Standing in our Western culture is a mark of respect: kneeling at the altar rails (where they continue to exist) is not the practice envisaged by the instructions in the Missal,” he stated.
The archbishop’s letter was issued ahead of the introduction of the new translation of the Roman Missal, which comes into effect throughout the English-speaking world this coming November.
Ironically, his instruction comes only a year after Pope Benedict XVI celebrated Mass in Glasgow. At that papal Mass, all those receiving communion from the Pope did so kneeling on a pres-dieu.
“This is really awful,” one Glasgow priest, who wished to remain anonymous, wrote to CNA.
“The bishop is indeed the moderator of the liturgical life of the diocese. However, what concerns a number of the priests in Glasgow is that our Archbishop knowingly exceeds his legitimate authority when he attempts to remove liberties foreseen by the Roman Missal itself.”
I wish just one bishop in the world would decree that kneeling for reception was mandatory, or that henceforth all Masses will be celebrated ad orientem [sp?].
 
Since when is standing a mark of respect more than kneeling? I can understand that they say standing is acceptible, but how can they say we shouldn’t kneel.
 
This same thread is the subkject of lively debate over in the Trad Cath forum!
 
Yes as standing is more respectful than kneeling in western society. piffle!

Unfortunately this seems to be the response of those in Scotland who don’t like the new translation of the Missal. I would also like to belatedly wish the Archbishop a happy 77th birthday.
 
Kneel. But they need to return to altar kneelers. It’s a tad disruptive in the new “food line” version, TBH.
 
It is too bad that this Abp has decided to dictate and limit the level of love, honor, respect and adoration to be shown to Our Lord Jesus present in the Eucharist.

Pope Benedict -
vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/details/ns_lit_doc_20100526_communion_en.html

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter IV
" [92.] Although each of the faithful always has the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue, at his choice,
if any communicant should wish to receive the Sacrament in the hand, in areas where the Bishops’ Conference with the recognitio of the Apostolic See has given permission, the sacred host is to be administered to him or her. However, special care should be taken to ensure that the host is consumed by the communicant in the presence of the minister, so that no one goes away carrying the Eucharistic species in his hand. If there is a risk of profanation, then Holy Communion should not be given in the hand to the faithful. "
 
This is why I have trouble with some people who insist on absolute obedience to all clergy. I prefer absolute obedience to the TEACHINGS of the Catholic faith.
 
What will happen if some still kneel? will they be excommunicated?Will the Priest refuse them Communion? I’m betting if they knelt for Communion before The Bishop saying they can’t, will not make any difference.
 
we need to bring back communion rails and respect for the Eucharist! Kneeling is humbling oneself to receive.
 
This same thread is the subkject of lively debate over in the Trad Cath forum!
Greetings Warrenton,

And this will probably be going on as long as Catholic Answers Forum exists and the Traditional Catholic Forum exists as well. 😃

God bless.
Anathama Sit
 
Anne 2:
It is too bad that this Abp has decided to dictate and limit the level of love, honor, respect and adoration to be shown to Our Lord Jesus present in the Eucharist.
Unfortunately, the member who posted what the Archbishop really said is not aware of this double posting, or he would have been here to clarify the error. The letter in its entirety can be found in the TC forum with the exact reference. You will not find a single word about banning kneeling. The CNA headline was misstated.
There are also new instructions with regard to our postures during Mass which reflect the universal custom of the Church as set down within the Missal itself. We have been more used to kneeling than standing during some parts of the Mass, whereas in most other countries, the tradition of standing has been adhered to more faithfully. Standing is of course a sign of respect in our Western culture, and it is from a standing position that we will kneel in adoration in the period following the Sanctus up until the Pater Noster.

It is also from a standing position that we should make our sign of reverence before we receive Holy Communion, approaching the altar in a dignified procession. The option of genuflecting before receiving Holy Communion is also allowed, though we recommend the acceptance of the option which has become commonplace, namely of bowing our heads before receiving Communion, as this is less likely to interrupt the flow of people and is more sensitive to the fact that there are many in our congregations who would find it difficult to genuflect without having something to hold on to.

This communion procession beautifully expresses the way in which we are a people journeying towards the Lord, for whose land and company, as the psalmist says, our “body pines, like a dry, weary land without water,” for us to be refreshed on that journey by the Holy Eucharist – Christ Himself.

When we return to our places after receiving Holy Communion we can sit or kneel but what we cannot fail to do, surely, is to address in the most intimate sanctuary of our hearts, the Lord, who through the sacrament, becomes our guest. With the centurion, whose faith the Lord commended, we will repeat what we have already said in answer to the priest: “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.”
 
What will happen if some still kneel? will they be excommunicated?Will the Priest refuse them Communion? I’m betting if they knelt for Communion before The Bishop saying they can’t, will not make any difference.
But he didn’t say that.
 
Well, in actuality when a person of high (name removed by moderator)ortance comes into a room, people will stand as a sign of respect.

So yes, standing is a sign of respect in Western Cultures.

Jim
 
True, Jim.

And what about “standing ovations” to show profound appreciation for someone’s performance?
 
This is why I have trouble with some people who insist on absolute obedience to all clergy. I prefer absolute obedience to the TEACHINGS of the Catholic faith.
ALLClergy are not accurate, nor do they ALL promote the teachings of the Church.

So how do we know the TRUTH - accurate in all teachings of the Church ? ? ?

The Magisterium gave all Catholics the gift of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”
Yet many Catholics have not read it, and some do not even know that it exists…
 
In my parish in southern England, there is a note on the door saying “No Communion in the Hand”.
The first time I attended there I had missed the note.
The congregation went up to communion, & in ancient tradition knelt by the alter rail, while the priest went back & Forth, with an acolyte holding a platen under the chin of the communicants.

When the priest came to me, my mouth was closed, & my hands held out… I was rather surprised when he pressed the host of the Blessed Eucharist between my lips.

I did not make the same mistake a second time… Now I never recieve Communion in the hand, & find receiving on the tounge from a priest or Deacon so much more respectful than letting an unnessecary Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist place a host quickly in my hand

Also I now normally have the Toddler with me. Only the Priest may bestow a blessing as alternative to giving the Eucharist to those under-age or who for any other reason are unable to receive the Eucharist.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that Extra-Ordinary Ministers of the Eucharist should not exist… but the teachings of the church which permit them explicitly state that they should serve only when needed to prevent undue delay in distributing the communion, or to distribute communion when there are insufficient or no Priests / Deacons (the Ordinary Ministers of the Eucharist) available to perform this task in a reasonable manner.

In fact I have served as an Extra-Ordinary Minister of the Eucharist in parishes before now. I would dearly love to hold the honour again - but not in that manner that is seen in many parishes where the priest allows 3 - 5 lay people to help in the distribution of the Eucharist to just a couple of hundred communicants. - That is totally unnecessary and not in keeping with the stated or permitted role of the Extra-Ordinary Minister.
 
Well, in actuality when a person of high (name removed by moderator)ortance comes into a room, people will stand as a sign of respect.

So yes, standing is a sign of respect in Western Cultures.

Jim
I agree standing is a sign of respect here in the West. I remember in the movie ‘The Song of Bernadette’ that when the Priest entered the classroom, the students all stood at attention.

However, we are not called to just show respect to God but worship and adoration. We are required to adore God. Kneeling is an act of adoration.
 
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JMJSHJ:
However, we are not called to just show respect to God but worship and adoration. We are required to adore God. Kneeling is an act of adoration.
Are you suggesting that the Magisterium intended to deny adoration to God when they lawfully changed the discipline to “standing?” Remember, we are permitted to return to our seats and kneel in thanksgiving and adoration. Obedience to lawful authority in matters of discipline is a virtue incumbent upon us, fully clarified in Vatican 1. It is not optional, except for pastoral sensitivity such as not refusing the Eucharist to those of delicate conscience who prefer to kneel.

Reminding the readers that the Abp. did not forbid kneeling. There should be no argument about this.
 
Are you suggesting that the Magisterium intended to deny adoration to God when they lawfully changed the discipline to “standing?” Remember, we are permitted to return to our seats and kneel in thanksgiving and adoration. Obedience to lawful authority in matters of discipline is a virtue incumbent upon us, fully clarified in Vatican 1. It is not optional, except for pastoral sensitivity such as not refusing the Eucharist to those of delicate conscience who prefer to kneel.

Reminding the readers that the Abp. did not forbid kneeling. There should be no argument about this.
I can’t speak to the mindset of the Magisterium when they lawfully changed the discipline to standing (when did they do that?).

I am just saying that there are many church documents that substantiate that kneeling is a form of adoration.
 
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