Scrapping Welfare

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If it is really a good investment, why do you need to force other people to pay for it?
 
Selfishness, maybe?

I’m sure most agree that public roads are a good investment. But I’m also sure that there are folks out there who would shirk their fair share of the expense if they weren’t forced to pay it.

I bet you’ve seen this counter roughly a zillion times by now.
 
luisvera said:
All coercively funded government welfare? Yes. The welfare state? YES. I support replacing it with real charity and mutual aid networks, aslo check atuff like the catholic worker movement

Sidenote: i’m not american, i’m venezuelan, i know what happens when you expand government in the name of the poor, spoiler alert: everyone gets poorer
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Can you post news articles about Venezuela?
 
Pup7 said:
California is an economic disaster of its own making. Unless you’re insanely wealthy, few can afford to live there. Seattle/a chunk of NW Washington is heading in the same direction if it’s not careful. I don’t think any amount of Federal funding will pull CA out of the hole it’s in. Most of Sacramento needs to go - that’s the only thing that’s going to fix CA.

I’ve got nothing with CA given as an example, if you know what I mean by that. They’re the prime example of the worst case scenario.

We do get a say in who leads at the local level. I’m not sure what you mean by that.
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California should be broken up into several smaller states.

In fact, there is a referendum before the people to do just that this fall.

Three states instead of one.
 
joeybaggz said:
Being generally a conservative in my thinking, I don’t often quote the late Senator Ted Kennedy but he did once say something very wise, “the measure of a society is its ability to take care of the weakest and poorest citizens.”
Something I can agree with. People with serious disabilities who cannot fend for themselves need to be taken care of by others. Unfortunately, at generally the insistence of the Democratic Party, laziness and illegitimacy are disabilities.
In a town in which I used to live, we had a couple of young men afflicted with severe cerebral palsy. They would come downtown every day in good weather to be among people and enjoy the sunshine and good weather. None of those young men could hold a job or contribute in any practical way to their livelihood. I have no problem with my taxes being used to support them, and others in similar situations. It is a Catholic imperative. As to the mechanism of doing so, I do agree with the posters who say that it is the purview of the state and not the federal government. The founding documents of this country state that the government (federal) is to promote, not provide, the general welfare.
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Ted Kennedy RIP also got legislation through that prohibited people from buying their own HSA type medical insurance … he spurned self-reliance. Or any attempt at self-reliance.
 
MonteRCMS said:
California should be broken up into several smaller states.

In fact, there is a referendum before the people to do just that this fall.

Three states instead of one.
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click here google you tube california

 
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MonteRCMS said:
work requirements
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This is such a great example of how the media misrepresent facts. There is nothing in these requirements that says they are “no longer eligible”. If they have not found work, they just need to be enrolled in a job training program to get the benefit. It is perfectly reasonable, and no one has to go hungry. I have worked with people in this program and there are some that are just lazy and don’t want to go to school/training. They are required to take so many hours of job readiness a month. They even have the option of doing them at home on their computer, but they don’t.
 
guanophore said:
This is such a great example of how the media misrepresent facts.
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You really need to read/watch the content before spouting talking points.

The video is very clear that there are alternative activities such job training that can meet the work requirement. The video was actually just informative, it didn’t demonize recipients in the least.
 
blackforest said:
Work requirements may not do much good. Food Stamp Use Highest Among Working Americans - Guardian Liberty Voice
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What does that show?
I’m great with adding something to the food budget of someone who is working yet struggling. The amount people get varies based on their income.

I don’t want welfare to go away, I just want it to be more responsible in a strong economy. My very first post here said we needed a Govt program because we had nothing else reliable to fall back on, with the general demise of churches in communities and the role they played helping people.

That poor person who is working is much better situated to eventually work more hours (full time) and or find a better paying job with the work skills they’ve acquired.

The long term unemployed without clear skills are very hard to employ.
 
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Theo520 said:
That poor person who is working is much better situated to eventually work more hours (full time) and or find a better paying job with the work skills they’ve acquired.
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This is honestly part of what I’m worried about. I’m seeing an increasing trend in where working in “unskilled” jobs isn’t really worth a whole lot. The upper management positions in retail type stuff are increasingly going to outside hires with this or that business degree. (And frankly what I saw of the lower management positions, they were put on the minimum legal amount to qualify for salary and then expected to work 60-80h a week.)

I worry that we’re developing separate tracks, one where you get professional or trade jobs and work your way up, and one where you get a service industry job and basically stay there for life unless you can go back to school or get similar job training. Especially given the service industry ratios, there are generally a lot more low-level positions than jobs to work your way up into.
 
What you describe is true, but hardly new.
A tight labor market is the best thing to increase pay to lower skilled jobs.
It’s been literally decades since this has happened, without distorting the market through high numbers of competing illegal immigrants taking the jobs.

In another thread, someone posted a good article on how illegal economic migrants have really hurt income for black men in particular.
 
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Theo520 said:
No, I thought the title was fine. Thou dost protest too much
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It is misleading. No one is being denied benefits! They are just being asked to either work, or train for work in order to get them.
 
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