scripture and homosexuality

[feetxxxl]

Feet,

If you can’t control your sexual enery, then it’s best to get married (to a woman) as Paul said. However, he also says that being single is best, because you can devote all your energy to God.
You might try directing your energy toward God, instead of to homosexual acts. You will be amazed how much more satisfying it is. Sex is not supposed to be used for debauched pleasure. Homosexual acts are anti-nature, and definitely anti-God.

interesting…any heterosexual who was interested in bonding to the pursuance of marriage you would give your blessing, but for a homosexual to pursue the same thing you call that person being interested in homosexual acts.

and this is what you claim is being in christ?

 

[feetxxxl]

im not sure what you are asking? explain how the words say otherwise.

there are 45 pages discussing the thing you just asked

 

[revelations]

its your choice to have a belief system that says masterbation is a sin.

what is the spirit of masterbation that it comes against loving ones neighbor as oneself?

agreed so how does the spirit of homosexuality come against loving ones neighbor as oneself?

Yes that’s correct, it is my own choice to follow the laws of God, just like it was your choice to completely ignore them.

You are forgetting the greatest commandment that God gave, even higher than loving thy neighbour, and that is loving thy God above all other things. Those two commandments, love thy God, love thy neighbour, are the ultimate summary of the “spirit” in Christ that you speak of.

The way you are talking is ignoring the God part, and you are clearly now trying to twist the clear meaning of the bible into something that it is not. This is demonic, and IS NOT of Christ.

LOVE THY GOD FIRST.

 

[feetxxxl]

Yes that’s correct, it is my own choice to follow the laws of God, just like it was your choice to completely ignore them.

You are forgetting the greatest commandment that God gave, even higher than loving thy neighbour, and that is loving thy God above all other things. Those two commandments, love thy God, love thy neighbour, are the ultimate summary of the “spirit” in Christ that you speak of.

The way you are talking is ignoring the God part, and you are clearly now trying to twist the clear meaning of the bible into something that it is not. This is demonic, and IS NOT of Christ.

LOVE THY GOD FIRST.

you are right it is your choice to follow what your belief system says are the laws of god.

but that is no certification that they are the laws of god.

that is right …god loved us first and it is that love that we receive…return to him and love ourselves and our neighbor.

what is the essence of that love is it a judgemmental spirit or is it full of…".the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?" (romans2)

my love of god is thru his son which he has put all things under.

what is it of christ that compels you to make judgements that are devoid of fellowship of those who live the same faith and share the same inheritance.

if you say it is the law…then you are reiterating the old relationship to the written code that paul says we no longer have…now being led by and serving of the spirit.

 

[revelations]

Perhaps the new testament is just too complicated for you to understand? The laws of the catholic church have been in effect for the last 2000 years, being passed down from pope to pope in a succession leading back to the apostles. The laws that i follow are the ones outlined in sacred scripture, which i think can safely be said are the way God intended them to be. The commandments are the laws of God. When st. paul talks about abolishing the law he is talking about the 400 or so other laws, the laws of Moses, that the people insisted on following that were in no way righteous.

Masturbation is a form of adultery, so is homosexuality. We are forbidden from indulging in adultery, by the sixth commandment of God the father, what more is there to argue?

what is it of christ that compels you to make judgements that are devoid of fellowship of those who live the same faith and share the same inheritance.

My friend, WE do not share the same faith. I do the best i can to follow the commandments of God, and you argue that they are irrelevant, instead choosing to quote scriptures out of context to rationalize your thoughts.

What you are saying is heretical, and I am not so much judging you, but rather am seriously concerned for the state of our faith because I am sure there are many more misled souls out there such as yourself. All my replies are out of a spirit of mercy, that you may know the errors of your theology and have time to correct them before the last day comes.

 

[feetxxxl]

tgfrfr

Perhaps the new testament is just too complicated for you to understand? The laws of the catholic church have been in effect for the last 2000 years, being passed down from pope to pope in a succession leading back to the apostles. The laws that i follow are the ones outlined in sacred scripture, which i think can safely be said are the way God intended them to be. The commandments are the laws of God. When st. paul talks about abolishing the law he is talking about the 400 or so other laws, the laws of Moses, that the people insisted on following that were in no way righteous.

Masturbation is a form of adultery, so is homosexuality. We are forbidden from indulging in adultery, by the sixth commandment of God the father, what more is there to argue?

My friend, WE do not share the same faith. I do the best i can to follow the commandments of God, and you argue that they are irrelevant, instead choosing to quote scriptures out of context to rationalize your thoughts.

What you are saying is heretical, and I am not so much judging you, but rather am seriously concerned for the state of our faith because I am sure there are many more misled souls out there such as yourself. All my replies are out of a spirit of mercy, that you may know the errors of your theology and have time to correct them before the last day comes.

now i am confused, paul said we died to the law and are resurrected in christ to be under grace, and no longer have the same relationship to the written code and are led by and serve of the spirit.

that the law was now for making us conscious of loving, loving as depicted by the three commandments. 1john is dedicated to that love and to those three commandments. if we follow the three commandments what other laws do we need?

what laws do you need from the church in addition to the three commandments?

you keep talking about throwing out the law…but in following the three commandments we fulfill the law…which to my uinderstanding is greater than following the law , because one can be be motivated to follow the law for a milllion other reasons, than love.

and 1cor13 trumps following the law for any other reason other than love in saying anything done without love is nothing and gains nothing. if following the law without love is useless…then love becomes the most important thing…not following the law.

 

[c659smith]

tgfrfr

now i am confused, paul said we died to the law and are resurrected in christ to be under grace, and no longer have the same relationship to the written code and are led by and serve of the spirit.

that the law was now for making us conscious of loving, loving as depicted by the three commandments. 1john is dedicated to that love and to those three commandments. if we follow the three commandments what other laws do we need?

what laws do you need from the church in addition to the three commandments?

you keep talking about throwing out the law…but in following the three commandments we fulfill the law…which to my uinderstanding is greater than following the law , because one can be be motivated to follow the law for a milllion other reasons, than love.

and 1cor13 trumps following the law for any other reason other than love in saying anything done without love is nothing and gains nothing. if following the law without love is useless…then love becomes the most important thing…not following the law.

You are taking things way out of context and can be shown by the Commandments.

Can you murder out of love? Can you steal out of love? Can we have other Gods out of Love and expect salvation?

 

[revelations]

tgfrfr

now i am confused, paul said we died to the law and are resurrected in christ to be under grace, and no longer have the same relationship to the written code and are led by and serve of the spirit.

that the law was now for making us conscious of loving, loving as depicted by the three commandments. 1john is dedicated to that love and to those three commandments. if we follow the three commandments what other laws do we need?

what laws do you need from the church in addition to the three commandments?

you keep talking about throwing out the law…but in following the three commandments we fulfill the law…which to my uinderstanding is greater than following the law , because one can be be motivated to follow the law for a milllion other reasons, than love.

and 1cor13 trumps following the law for any other reason other than love in saying anything done without love is nothing and gains nothing. if following the law without love is useless…then love becomes the most important thing…not following the law.

No one follows the law anymore…except the orthodox jews. The law was a way for men to come to know righteousness by following commands from God, as well as the 10 commandments. Things like circumcision, not eating shellfish and unclean animals, etc etc. Jesus came and said “love thy God, and love thy neighbour”, in doing those things you will fulfill the commandments of God.

The story of the good samaritan is a good example of this fulfillment.

The only laws i follow are the 10 commandments, given to us by God himself. These commandments can be neatly summed up into love of God, and love of neighbor. These are the laws I follow (do my best to), and the laws that the catholic church teaches.

 

[hosemonkey]

So,feetxxl, you wish to practice sodomy and the other perversions that homosexuals practice, but you do not wish to take responsibility for your sin. Instead, you attempt to twist Scripture to your own destruction. There is a price to be paid for your kind of deviance, no love, fleeting relationships, disgusting STDs and the real possibility of contracting and spreading AIDS. The Church is very clear on this issue, she does not condemn the homosexual, she only condemns the practice of homosexuality. Just as she condemns adultery and other sexual sins.

 

[feetxxxl]

You are taking things way out of context and can be shown by the Commandments.

Can you murder out of love? Can you steal out of love? Can we have other Gods out of Love and expect salvation?

i have no understanding of what you are saying, but surely if david had loved his neighbor (the love that is god)as himself he would not have done things he did.

 

[feetxxxl]

So,feetxxl, you wish to practice sodomy and the other perversions that homosexuals practice, but you do not wish to take responsibility for your sin. Instead, you attempt to twist Scripture to your own destruction. There is a price to be paid for your kind of deviance, no love, fleeting relationships, disgusting STDs and the real possibility of contracting and spreading AIDS. The Church is very clear on this issue, she does not condemn the homosexual, she only condemns the practice of homosexuality. Just as she condemns adultery and other sexual sins.

stds and aids is not limited to homosexuals, surely africa shows that.

 

[hosemonkey]

stds and aids is not limited to homosexuals, surely africa shows that.

You are horribly correct, which simply confirms the fact that sexual sins, especially in this time of AIDS, have horrible consequences. To ignore the laws of God brings destruction. AIDS in Africa is pandemic, all because the old ways were not good enough. We in America are no better. Homosexuals and bisexuals continue to place everyone at risk. because the laws of God are flaunted. Websites exist where homosexuals seek out HIV-positive people to have sex with. Are they seeking a slow, lingering death? You tell me. I and my wife work in healthcare and we are daily placed in jeopardy because AIDS, the first politically protected disease, is a matter of great secrecy. Does my patient have AIDS? I won’t know until later, maybe. Be honest, homosexuals and bisexuals are responsible for the worldwide spread of AIDS, sorry for not being PC, but that’s the fact.

 

[Frost]

im not sure what you are asking? explain how the words say otherwise.

The Bible condemn homosexual actions, for instance in 1 Cor, 1 Tim and in Romans.

So why do you believe that homosexual actions are allowed?

I’m asking you to give arguments supporting your view.

 

[feetxxxl]

The Bible condemn homosexual actions, for instance in 1 Cor, 1 Tim and in Romans.

So why do you believe that homosexual actions are allowed?

I’m asking you to give arguments supporting your view.

enjoy reading the 45 pages!

 

[Frost]

enjoy reading the 45 pages!

I see… Well, I don’t have the time to read that much, that’s one reason why I’m asking you directly. Also: You started the discussion (or opened for it with your first post), so I naturally thought you’d like to answer those who are interested in talking with you.

 

[SacredHeartFan]

believe what you want, but scripture has never declared homosexuality a sin.

…not from the prohibitions of lev(not all prohibitions of themselves were a sin, and other things that were condoned are now considered intolerable evils) to sodom’s condoning of the gang rape of strangers, to the shame based lust of romans( lust being the antithesis of human bonding. human bonding is done out of mutual love , respect, devotion, trust, and attraction for a shared committed life together) to the “malebed” of 1cor and 1tim(how can an animate person be transposed for an inanimate object, and how out of all the possible meanings was homosexual the one specific one designated.

jesus said we would recognize them from their fruits…fruits as depicted in fruits of the spirit in gal5.

paul said the things of the sin nature are OBVIOUS…by their very essence, it is self explanatory on how they come against the fruit of the spirit (gal5) and loving ones neighbor as oneself(the summation of all the law)(romans).

what is self evident of the essence of homosexuality that it would come against both of these?

Romans 1:24:

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Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,

27

and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.

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And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.

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[feetxxxl]

I see… Well, I don’t have the time to read that much, that’s one reason why I’m asking you directly. Also: You started the discussion (or opened for it with your first post), so I naturally thought you’d like to answer those who are interested in talking with you.

i appreciate your understanding and shortness of time. but the idea of discussion was to cover all points in regards to the subject matter, so that later, when others entered in they could read the discussion and bring their own challenges of points that had not been already made. so rather than be repetitive the discussion would grow in depth.

soon i plan to bring in other points to add to that depth.