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please…explain that one.
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East_and_West
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Well, the Catholic Church is the only Church that can honestly claim a linear and historical continuity with the Church established by Jesus on the Apostles. It is the only Church that professes the fullness of the faith taught by the Apostles and Early Church Fathers. It is, thus, the Church established by Jesus who is God made man. With this in mind, all other religions are the creations of men. That would include evangelical charismatic ones.
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cantuar.blogspot.com/ Former Episcopal Priest convert to Catholism - read why he is convert?
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feetxxxl
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first of all linear and historical are traits of human origin. what comes from heaven comes thru the spirit. and grace thru faith is what describes all believers, grace thru faith not in a system of religious doctrine but in christ himself. they are his bride.
Well, the Catholic Church is the only Church that can honestly claim a linear and historical continuity with the Church established by Jesus on the Apostles. It is the only Church that professes the fullness of the faith taught by the Apostles and Early Church Fathers. It is, thus, the Church established by Jesus who is God made man. With this in mind, all other religions are the creations of men. That would include evangelical charismatic ones.
emphasis of what you are speaking is of a spirit of division and is not of christ nor of the fruit of the spirit. it creates a them and us mentality. in the oneness and unity of christ there is only us.
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lastly there has been questions about why would anyone change their attitude about homosexuality because of what was said on the internet. nobody should unless it touches something the holy spirit has already been speaking about.
this has been but a reasoned discussion. its true substance is if what is spoken is of the spirit of christ which only the one who lives in you in can affirm. this is what we are called to listen to.
to give the last word.
if you believe that you must hear it from the leadership of your church first. i believe you will eventually. but consider also the letters written to churches in revelation 2 and 3 that were also of peter.
also consider what scriptures say about the one who lives in us, and our relationship to him…revelation 3:20 and john 5:39 and the gospel of 1john.
reasoning has its limitations. else why could not anyone who picked up a bible instantly become a believer,why are the jews who know god, holding out against knowing the father and the son.
we are all believers because we have been led by the father to the son. it is he who lives in us and it is he who will tell us what is of him.
god bless…your brother in christ
this has been but a reasoned discussion. its true substance is if what is spoken is of the spirit of christ which only the one who lives in you in can affirm. this is what we are called to listen to.
to give the last word.
if you believe that you must hear it from the leadership of your church first. i believe you will eventually. but consider also the letters written to churches in revelation 2 and 3 that were also of peter.
also consider what scriptures say about the one who lives in us, and our relationship to him…revelation 3:20 and john 5:39 and the gospel of 1john.
reasoning has its limitations. else why could not anyone who picked up a bible instantly become a believer,why are the jews who know god, holding out against knowing the father and the son.
we are all believers because we have been led by the father to the son. it is he who lives in us and it is he who will tell us what is of him.
god bless…your brother in christ
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Nonsense. The Catholic Church is the one established by Jesus. That’s a historical fact. Our God is a god who acts in history and his grace has preserved his Church in history.
As for the spirit of division, that is the same spirit that creates man-made religions like your own.
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Tell me if you dont find in the Bible that homosexual acts are sinfull, then what do you classify as sin according to your interpretation?
according to your believe is it a need for repetance before we can be accepted by the Almighty?
**“I should not believe the Gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church.”
Saint Augustine (354-430), Against the Letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D… **
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my understanding is anything that comes against loving ones neighbors as oneself, the summation of all the law, the fruit of the spirit and the spirit of christ.
we are saved by grace thru faith, this a gift of god, and is not by works.
are you aware that the majority of the regulations for sacrifices in the old testament was for UNKNOWN SIN.
WORKS…anything a human does or doesnt do.
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feetxxxl
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when jesus gave that commission to peter he was referring to the bride of christ, the body of believers…that is the church…not an earthbound dichotomy of religious doctrine of a particular denomination.
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what is this suppost to mean? read the Good Samaritan story. it should give you more or less an idea of what Our Lord wants from us.
So if my neighbour lost his job and had no food to eat, i should not give him food because if i did i was trying to buy my way to Heaven?
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Yup. The body of believers. And that body just happens to be the Catholic Church. Its the only body that demonstrates continuity with the original body. Nice try.
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are you really sure about that? are you sure that you know what Jesus meant when He said I will build my Church?
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these are just some of the sources of my understanding.are you really sure about that? are you sure that you know what Jesus meant when He said I will build my Church?
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CONCERNING FAITH AND SALVATION
romans 10:8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[a] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you CONFESS with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and BELIEVE in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
ephesians2:8For it is by grace you have been saved, through FAITH—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
CONCERNING RIGHTEOUSNESS
( all that you are deeming is of the catholic church, its doctrine, rules of worship etc…are of the essence of the law)
romans3:20Therefore no one will be declared RIGHTEOUS in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. 21But now a RIGHTEOUSNESS from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This rRIGHTEOUSNESS from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
CONCERNING FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST
matthew7:15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their FRUIT you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good FRUIT, but a bad tree bears bad FRUIT.
Matthew 21:43
"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its FRUIT.
Romans 7:4
So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear FRUIT to God.
GAL 5:22But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
CONCERNING BEING OF CHRIST
1JOHN3: 21Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he LIVES IN US: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
what is your source of understanding, aside from christ’s statement to peter, that would expand on your understanding of the meaning of that statement.
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this is all really good. i hope you realize this is all instructions given the One True Church. the Church found by Jesus Christ. as you know the Church is One. none of the Apostle taught anything different from the other.
now, you have left out everything that speaks about the Church but that is ok because it is still there.
as you know the Word of God take out of context is opening to anyones interpretation. and that is what you did here.
remember that Jesus was speaking to the jews then. the Church was not yet.
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feetxxxl
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AGAIN… what is your SOURCE for your understanding, aside from christ’s statement to peter, that would expand on your understanding of the meaning of that statement.this is all really good. i hope you realize this is all instructions given the One True Church. the Church found by Jesus Christ. as you know the Church is One. none of the Apostle taught anything different from the other.
now, you have left out everything that speaks about the Church but that is ok because it is still there.
as you know the Word of God take out of context is opening to anyones interpretation. and that is what you did here.
remember that Jesus was speaking to the jews then. the Church was not yet.
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i thought i answered your question. yet if it does not satify you, what makes you think that anything else will? i am sure everything has been covered here, i see that nothing can convince you where the Truth is.
just remember there is only One Church which was given the faith to be preserved till the end. i guarantee you that this Church is not a denomination, she did not fall into apostasy, she is visible, for it is not possible she would be hidden according to the Lord. it is impossible for anyone explain her as to one’s understanding. Only the Lord can open one’s eye that he may see her. she is silent, she is humble.
we both know that if i interpret SS one way and you another and we both claim revelation from the HS, how do you explain that the same Spirit teaches both of us two different things in the fact the opposite?
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feetxxxl
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you are saying that you have no source for your understanding of a single scripture.i thought i answered your question. yet if it does not satify you, what makes you think that anything else will? i am sure everything has been covered here, i see that nothing can convince you where the Truth is.
just remember there is only One Church which was given the faith to be preserved till the end. i guarantee you that this Church is not a denomination, she did not fall into apostasy, she is visible, for it is not possible she would be hidden according to the Lord. it is impossible for anyone explain her as to one’s understanding. Only the Lord can open one’s eye that he may see her. she is silent, she is humble.
we both know that if i interpret SS one way and you another and we both claim revelation from the HS, how do you explain that the same Spirit teaches both of us two different things in the fact the opposite?
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my understanding about scripture, since all verses point to the same spirit they are all intersupporting. one does not contradict another.
how do the scriptures that i listed support your understanding?
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