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Soutane
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Scripture states that it is insufficient of itself as an interpreter but rather needs an interpreter
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Dokimas
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Correct. It tells us God sent the Holy Spirit to do the interpreting according to Peter.
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Soutane
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according to that logic that’s how we end up with 33,000+protestant denominations all believing that they alone are correct and the other 29,999+ don’t have the Holy Spirit.That is of course illogical as the Holy Spirit cannot contradict Himself.It is definitive evidence that the interpretation is being done by mere men according to their own wills and prejudices,certainly not under the guidance of the Holy Spirit,who cannot lie.
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Soutane
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Christ established a Living Church,the Catholic Church to teach with His Authority.He did not simply give His disciples a Bible,whole and entire and tell them to go out and make mass copies of it for mass distribution and allow people to come to whatever interpretation they may-that way lies anarchy which is so evident in protestant Christendom.The Bible says in Peter 3:16 "that there are certain things hard to understand which the unlearned and unstable wrest(distort)as they do the other scriptures to their own destruction"This demonstrates that there is a need for an authoritative and infallible teacher contained in the teaching authority of Christ’s Catholic Church the only one founded by Divinity and protected from error by the Paraclete.
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Dokimas
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Thanks for your opinion. Good for you that you don’t have to be guided by the Holy Spirit, all you need to do is believe the CC and ALL its teaching. Easy believism. THIS Comment is not intended to be a comment on the CC but on the easy believism you espouse.
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Soutane
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Of course the Holy Spirit guides the Holy Catholic Church and protects it from all error as Christ promised that the Gates of Hell would never prevail against Her.I said no such thing that you are implying.That is peurile strawman argumentation and if that’s the best you can do,why bother?
Acts 8:26-40 (New International Version)
Philip and the Ethiopian
26Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Go south to the road—the desert road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” 27So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian[a]eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians. This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship, 28and on his way home was sitting in his chariot reading the book of Isaiah the prophet. 29The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.”
30Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.
31"How can I," he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
32The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture:
“He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,
and as a lamb before the shearer is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
33In his humiliation he was deprived of justice.
Who can speak of his descendants?
For his life was taken from the earth.”**
34The eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?” 35Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.
36As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. Why shouldn’t I be baptized?”[c] 38And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.
THE holy Spirit was not guiding the Eunuch but WAS guiding St Philip,a Bishop of the Holy Catholic Church.**
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TonyLayne
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“Believism”? Nice that you can hang a quick tag on an argument so you can dismiss it with a sneer. It still doesn’t explain how you know the Holy Spirit is guiding you to the correct interpretation without creating a circular argument. There’s also a certain amount of arrogance to it: “I’m smarter than many centuries of saints, scholars, mystics and theologians!” You don’t believe in papal or Church infallibility; why should you believe in your own infallibility?
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CMatt25
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Soutane, who told you for instance to interpret Matt 16 as you do or that the Catholic Church was the only true church or that you were to listen to only what Catholic leaders tell you? If it’s not enough for others to say the Holy Spirit, then it’s not enough for you or any Catholic to say we know Jesus tells us He set up His Church as only the Catholic Church. Do you see the problem with this kind of argument? It is all someone’s interpretation no matter Catholic or Protestant. This truth is something my fellow Catholics too often fail to understand or else confuse the difference between belief and absolutely knowing or simply just have such a need to think they are correct on everything. 
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Soutane
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The Apostles are wrong
The saints are wrong
2000 years of truth are wrong
the church Fathers are wrong
the martyrs are wrong
the popes are wromng
the bishops are wrongthe priests are wrong
the laiety is wronfg
holy scripture is wrong
holy tradition is wrong
the words of Christ are wrong
But this dude’s right.What nerve.Talk about self manifested God in the mirror easy believeism.You embarrass yourself
The saints are wrong
2000 years of truth are wrong
the church Fathers are wrong
the martyrs are wrong
the popes are wromng
the bishops are wrongthe priests are wrong
the laiety is wronfg
holy scripture is wrong
holy tradition is wrong
the words of Christ are wrong
But this dude’s right.What nerve.Talk about self manifested God in the mirror easy believeism.You embarrass yourself
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CMatt25
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Belief is what it is
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CMatt25
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What dude are you referring to? I’m sure not me because I never said anything about Holy Scripture being wrong. And I’m certainly not embarrassed to follow Christ.
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Soutane
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You sound like one confused Catholic brother.The Holy spirit protects the Catholic Church from doctrinal error as promised by Christ.It appears that you are infected with relativism which ultimately means that there can be no absolute Truth,which Christ belied with His own words.Christ gave us His Cathoklic Church.The Curch gave us Holy Scripture which was born of Holy Tradition.Both combined with the m,agisterium give us absolute Christ-originated Truth.No other MAN MADE religious body can or may make that claim.Soutane, who told you for instance to interpret Matt 16 as you do or that the Catholic Church was the only true church or that you were to listen to only what Catholic leaders tell you? If it’s not enough for others to say the Holy Spirit, then it’s not enough for you or any Catholic to say we know Jesus tells us He set up His Church as only the Catholic Church. Do you see the problem with this kind of argument? It is all someone’s interpretation no matter Catholic or Protestant. This truth is something my fellow Catholics too often fail to understand or else confuse the difference between belief and absolutely knowing or simply just have such a need to think they are correct on everything.
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Dokimas
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Soutane
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Then read Holy Scripture with open eyes and it will lead you to the Holy Catholic Church.
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Soutane
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But everyone else I mentioned is wrong,correct.
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Dokimas
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Soutane
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tThe Truth is that apart from the Teaching Authority and Tradition of the Church,no one can ever know the absolute Truth about any Christian Doctrine.Instead Truth is reduced to private judgement,which has led toreligious relativismand indifferentism that has affected non-catholic churches and society as a whole.
St peters admonitions regarding private judgement are clear"First of all you must understand this,that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,because no prophesy ever came about by the impulse of man but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke fom God(2pet 1:20)."
If Scripure is not a matter of one’s own private interpretation,this means that Scripture is a matter of PUBLIC interpretation,a gift that has been entrusted to the Holy Catholic Church.Those who interpret scriptures privately under what they ASSUME to be th gis of the Holy Spirit become their own arbiters of Truth.Tthere cannot be many Truths as this would makee Christ a charlatan and a liar.Scripture needs to breathe in its natural element,the Catholic Church which infallibly declared the canon.Private interpretation can lead people to fall into serious error and jeopardize their salvation.
In reference to Paul’s letters StPeter warns:There are some things in them hard to understand,which the ignorasnt and unstable twist to their own destruction,as they do with other scriptures(1Pet3:16)(For example saying "this is my body and if you donot Eat My Body and Drink My Blood you shall have no Life within you-and skewing it to mean-"just Kidding-its really only a symbol so no sweat"y ixkkrrj
St peters admonitions regarding private judgement are clear"First of all you must understand this,that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,because no prophesy ever came about by the impulse of man but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke fom God(2pet 1:20)."
If Scripure is not a matter of one’s own private interpretation,this means that Scripture is a matter of PUBLIC interpretation,a gift that has been entrusted to the Holy Catholic Church.Those who interpret scriptures privately under what they ASSUME to be th gis of the Holy Spirit become their own arbiters of Truth.Tthere cannot be many Truths as this would makee Christ a charlatan and a liar.Scripture needs to breathe in its natural element,the Catholic Church which infallibly declared the canon.Private interpretation can lead people to fall into serious error and jeopardize their salvation.
In reference to Paul’s letters StPeter warns:There are some things in them hard to understand,which the ignorasnt and unstable twist to their own destruction,as they do with other scriptures(1Pet3:16)(For example saying "this is my body and if you donot Eat My Body and Drink My Blood you shall have no Life within you-and skewing it to mean-"just Kidding-its really only a symbol so no sweat"y ixkkrrj
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Dancelittleewok
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The Bible is a book, an object. Objects don’t have an intellect or will. Thus, the bible cannot interpret itself, and thus needs an interpreter with a intellect and will to divulge its pages. Yet the Bible has one voice: that of God and the men divinely inspired to write his pages. Catholics believed these writers passed on this teaching and this teaching is found in the Church. It’s not simply easy believism but preservation of the deposit of faith left by the Apostles.
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Dancelittleewok
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Precisely an object cannot speak but those with wills can such as God and the writers can. I’m not denying the Bible is divinely inspired or anything like that.
Would it be easy believism if I replaced with my Bible instead of my church? The fact remains those who follow sola scriptura and the church are doing more than parroting. There’s a reason why Catholics trust what’s said in the Church which is connected to Sacred Tradition and Apostolic Succession. Just I’m sure there’s more than “I believe it because my bible says so.”
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