Scripture verses JWs have problems with?

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And here are my only questions for you that Jehovah thinks are worth discussing:
Is Ps 37:29 a true prophecy? If so, how do you intend to make yourself part of it?
Matthew 5:10

10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Psalms 37:29

28 For the LORD loves justice; he will not forsake his saints. The righteous shall be preserved for ever, but the children of the wicked shall be cut off. 29 The righteous shall possess the land, and dwell upon it for ever.

These two verses are presenting a contradiction to your religions theology. What’s more, this verse says “land” not “earth”. In addition, this chapter in Psalms in no way supports any interpretation of a paradise on earth in the future.

Perhaps you and your religion are not reading this in the light of the Apostolic tradition?
 
And here are my only questions for you that Jehovah thinks are worth discussing:
Is Ps 37:29 a true prophecy? If so, how do you intend to make yourself part of it?
Matthew 5:10

10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Psalms 37:29

28 For the LORD loves justice; he will not forsake his saints. The righteous shall be preserved for ever, but the children of the wicked shall be cut off. 29 The righteous shall possess the land, and dwell upon it for ever.

These two verses are presenting a contradiction to your religions theology. What’s more, this version ( Revises Standard) says “land” not “earth”. In addition, this chapter in Psalms in no way supports any interpretation of a paradise on earth in the future.

Perhaps you and your religion are not reading this in the light of the Apostolic tradition?
 
(I added the !!! since it seems required by your tone. :))
Wow! and Holy Water, Batman! That’s certainly full use of the authority you have- except that men have none in a Bible discussion. “All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
Sorry.
But hey, you’ll still be popular at K of C meetings.
You seem to be loosing your cool and avoided the question, once again. I’m sorry my friend, but you’ve just lost any credibility you might of had and cannot be taken seriously at all. May you find truth soon, God be with you.

Pax Domini
 
noprem

kindly answer my ? please

Who is on your “translating” committee?

Who did they study under?

What credentials?

What ancient languages are they FLUENT in?

Bottom line: any one of them attend college at all???

Why discrepancy between your translations?

Google up Dr. Mantey’s letter please & read - it may be helpful (as per how the WTBTS misquoted him & he threatened a lawsuit!)
 
noprem

'echad means a unity of one. The OT word for one as in DEUT 6: 4, “…the Lord our God is one.” This one means a unity (of one) not a solitude. If HE were just GOD the FATHER by Himself it would be yachid and he would not be “love”. Depending on humans for part of his nature is impossible.

I CHANGETH NOT.

Gen 11:7 “Let us go down” WHO IS US?
Gen 1: “Let us make man in our image” WHO IS OUR?

A Word about the WORD

The NATURE of Christ/the WORD is, was and always will be DIVINE,
is DISTINCT from his Human nature
The Son PROCEEDS from the FATHER
The Son is Co-ETERNAL with the FATHER
The BODY of Christ, actually his chromosomes come from 1 human being, his MOTHER (Jurgens page 418 vol 1: “formed of the substance of Mary”)
THE WORD was ALWAYS from the “BEGINNING”
The WORD is the PROPER NAME for the SON
The WORD assumed a HUMAN NATURE
In CHRIST there are 2 wills, always united and never contrarily opposed to each other
The INCARNATION is a FREE GIFT from GOD
Did not become the SON until INCARNATION

Theotokos = Greek for “MOTHER OF GOD” See:

“ENCYCLICAL LETTER OF ALEXANDER OF ALEXANDRIA TO ANOTHER BISHOP ALEXANDER AND TO ALL NON-EGYPTIAN BISHOPS. A.D. 324”(Speaking of Christ Jesus)

“And in one only Catholic Church, that which is Apostolic. … after this, we acknowledge the resurrection of the dead, of which Jesus Christ our Lord became the firstling; who bore a body not in appearance but in truth, derived from Mary the Mother of God; who for the remission of sins came in the fullness of time to dwell among the race of men, was crucified (on a cross not a stake) and died, but did not, for all of that, suffer any diminution of His Godhead. He rose from the dead, was taken up into heaven, and sits to the right of the Majesty on high.”

sounds kinda like part of a CREED or something?*!:cool:

SOURCES for this gem of a quote come from:

Socrates (Hist. eccl. 1, 6)
Gelasius of Cyzicus (Hist.concil Nic. 2, 3)
Theodoret (Hist. eccl. 1, 4), addressed to Alexander of Byzantium (Constantinople) (where it is quoted in full), you may consult the critical edition of Theodoret by Parmentier and Scheidweiler in the Berlin Corpus (GCS), vol. 19, 2nd edition Berlin 1954. According to Jurgens, the best may be found in the H.G. Optiz’ "Athanasius’ Werke, vol. 3, part 1, “Urkunden zur Geschichte des arianichen Streites 318-328, Berlin and Leipzig, 1934, pp. 19-29.” You may find it in “Migne, PG 18, 547-572;”

I suggest obtaining “The Faith of the Early Fathers” volume 1 by William A. Jurgens. The index of scriptural references and citations mentions which ECF of the first 800 years spoke on a specific scripture; very nicely packaged and user friendly; an amazing read. Or spend more $ & get all 3 volumes & read it all for yourself.

If you care to even spend more money, get Loeb - the Kirsopp Lake volume one “the Apostolic Fathers” in the Loeb Classical Library series or the Funk-Bihlmeyer-Schneemelcher, “Die Apostolischen Vater” volume one 1956 (printed “auf Deutsch”) If your German is up to date, go for it; frankly meine deutsch ist nicht zu gute

MANY ECF’s spoke about John 1:1. There is no wiggle room - it is what it is and no amount of maneuvering can change the original intent of John: the WORD WAS GOD, IS GOD and WILL BE GOD

Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.”
He can also say as the Father said In Deut.:

“I CHANGETH NOT!”
 
You seem to be loosing your cool and
Still waiting for answers to the questions my leader requires me to ask: about his Father’s kingdom, coming soon ‘to the earth as it is in heaven.’
Your leaders are the ones Paul prophesied: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
All y’alls (pl) questions have been answered from God’s word, the holy Bible, but y’all didn’t accept them. I don’t have traditions of men as a plan B, so we’re done.
"So, as they disagreed among themselves, the mainstream religious leaders of the day] departed, after Paul had made one statement: “The Holy Spirit was right in saying to your fathers through Isaiah the prophet [ch. 6]: 'Go to this people, and say, You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive …”
 
I have the New American Bible Saint Joseph’s edition and … I have this actual bible and that’s what it says!
Hey! Me too! I have this actual bible and that’s what it says!
Which is my point: V.1 (in part) says “the Word was God” and v.2 says “[the Word] was in the beginning with God.”
The two parts contradict each other: “Ralph was Sam” vs. Ralph was with Sam". My fifth-grade students know the difference, as do JWs.
So, do you agree with NWT, common English grammar, and common sense? Or do you follow the traditions of men?
 
Still waiting for answers to the questions my leader requires me to ask: about his Father’s kingdom, coming soon ‘to the earth as it is in heaven.’
This is interesting. How is it that you know what your “leader requires”, except through the authority of the Catholic Church?

You would not know that he spoke about “his father’s kingdom”, except through the authority of the Catholic Church.
 
noprem

Your “All scripture…” quote - wouldn’t that refer only to the OT? Was there a New Testament when these words were uttered? Hmmmm… ink not quite dry? The NT did not exist as the “NT” until much later @ the Roman Catholic Council:D pronounced the Books as canonical

The Faith of Early Fathers 3 volumes by Wm. Jurgens would certainly clear up many man-made ideas/theories/heresies floating around about what the ECF really said & believed. There are thousands and THOUSANDS of documents from from the Didache (80 A.D) and to 9th century & to present day. very enlightening. Their stories and comments will bless you!

There may be 5000+ Bible fragments from all over, many different languages. The main theme is their CONSISTANCY in who Christ Jesus really is. Amazing. Christ Jesus really has COMMAND of HIS CHURCH you see. “the gates of hell shall not prevail against MY CHURCH”

He took ownership of it, the Church HHIS CHURCH. He is the BRIDEGROOM & we are the BRIDE.

PS “daycare” thing was evasion. maybe you could kindly answer questions.
 
Traditions of men - a often used quote of the JW’s… Used too much I suspect. :cool:
 
my church was founded by Jesus Christ, the ONLY Church founder who ROSE FROM THE DEAD. I’ll go with what the Catholic Church says, not some heretic (Russel) that thinks birthdays are bad because in the OLD testament, a baker? in Pharoah’s court was killed. :rolleyes:

The bible says In the Beginning, was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Not “a god”

Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega. He was there at the beginning of time.
 
Still waiting for answers to the questions my leader requires me to ask: about his Father’s kingdom, coming soon ‘to the earth as it is in heaven.’
Your leaders are the ones Paul prophesied: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
All y’alls (pl) questions have been answered from God’s word, the holy Bible, but y’all didn’t accept them. I don’t have traditions of men as a plan B, so we’re done.
"So, as they disagreed among themselves, the mainstream religious leaders of the day] departed, after Paul had made one statement: “The Holy Spirit was right in saying to your fathers through Isaiah the prophet [ch. 6]: 'Go to this people, and say, You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive …”
That’s rich, noprem! Applying those scriptures to the Church and others and not to you.:rotfl:

If the Catholic Church was there from the beginning, and you refuse to answer where your governing body/faithful & discreet slave was before Russell, a lurker watching these threads can only assume that these scriptures apply to you and your religion (and every other one that came after the Catholic Church).

Do yourself a favor, noprem, and quit while your behind…:rolleyes:
 
Still waiting for answers to the questions my leader requires me to ask: about his Father’s kingdom, coming soon ‘to the earth as it is in heaven.’
Asked and answered, sir.

I don’t think your JW meetings have prepared you well enough for Catholic apologia on this question, for you seem to be thinking, “Aha! This will stump those Catholics”, but you were lacking in an understanding of what happens at the Divine Liturgy, when heaven and earth kiss.

And this happens at each and every hour of the day, from East to West. From the rising of the sun to its setting a perfect sacrifice is being made: the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, when heaven comes to earth.

So, to answer your question (again): it happens continuously, thanks to the Catholic Church.
 
Maybe, if you post something inflammatory, a moderator will take it down, but beyond that, I don’t believe posts need moderator approval.

jocuri sport
 
Yeah, that’s the next piece I want to do. Like I said, the method I’m using isn’t good at all! Haha. So yes, I’m going to update this file and provide some detail on how to use the plist and file-derived arrays.
 
Fine! We interpret the Bible the same way- on this point, at least. 🙂
Related question: If ‘all good guys go to Heaven and all bad guys go to Hell’ as the churches teach, then of what use is an earth made so liveable by Jesus? Another view would be, “Of what use will be God’s kingdom on earth. if ‘all good guys etc.’ ?”
I beg your pardon? What churches teach all one needs to do is be good and one gets into Heaven? Care to provide the Catholic document stating all one needs to do is be “good” in your in?
 
Just curious…

How is noprem supposed to answer if s/he has been banned?

Why has noprem been banned??
 
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