Scripture verses JWs have problems with?

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Why has noprem been banned??
If you read enough of his posts, youll notice extreme arrogance and ad homs and anti-Catholic lies. Plus, hes an “artful dodger”: flatly refusing to answer questions.
He may have been given a warning by the Mod; and he may have told the Mod off…
Who knows!

If you go to the last 2 or 3 pages of “Jehovah Witness Bible Translation”, you`ll see more examples. Under Apologetics >>> Sacred Scripture.
 
Just curious…

Why has noprem been banned??
In addition to what Fink has posted…for being uncharitable.

A member do not just get banned. One gets a warning first…and may get suspended…before being banned. It looks like noprem did not heed the warnings.
 
Find a pre 1971 edition of the NWT at a used book sale, pray that God brings it accross your path. Before 1971 edition the NWT correctly translates Hebrews 1:6 as worship.

Hebrews 1 (KJV)

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5For **unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? **

6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, **And let all the angels of God worship him. **

7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

**13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? **

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

In the book, New Heavens and a New Earth, on pages 27-28, published in 1953, it says:

“For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: ‘You are my Son; today I have become your Father’? And again: ‘I shall be a Father to him, and he will be a Son to me’? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: ‘And let all God’s angels worship him.’”

Also, it is worth noting that the Watchtower organization changes the New World Translation as time goes by. ** In the 1970 edition, Heb. 1:6 is translated as the word “worship.” In the 1980 version it is translated as ‘obeisance.’ Why the change?** Simple, the Watchtower Organization is methodically altering the Bible to make it agree with their theology.

carm.org/heb-16-let-angels-do-obeisance-him

books.google.com/books?id=f1oQt8lufloC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=new+world+translation+hebrews+1+early+editions&source=bl&ots=8WXw82gg6P&sig=BqgRJB6izVrKzM5ZDqRG466L_Js&hl=en&ei=uIB4TpisJtSgtwfNvLmcDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=new%20world%20translation%20hebrews%201%20early%20editions&f=false

Hebrews 1:6
“But when He again brings his First-born into the inhabited earth, he says: ‘And let all God’s angels worship him’ .” (New World Translation, 1950, 1961, 1970 editions,

The NWT revised 1971 edition was changed to read, “do obeisance to” rather than “worship”. This change remains to this day, even though the original word chosen by the 4 NWT translators, was accurate to the Greek. However the Watchtower society was losing so may new converts because of the word “worship” (only God gets worshipped) that they did the typically dishonorable thing and chose the obscure unknown word “obeisance” to complete the deception of new converts.

bible.ca/Jw-NWT.htm

books.google.com/books?id=DmB-P5KU_YUC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=new+world+translation+hebrews+1+early+editions&source=bl&ots=hww5rafCkt&sig=lLapOHwH7oKHa3o7lLaXdwIYPck&hl=en&ei=uIB4TpisJtSgtwfNvLmcDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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My edition of “The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures” copyright 1969 by the WTBTS of New York, Inc. says on pages 964 and 965 on the far right column:

"But when he again brings his First-born into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels worship him.” "😃
 
anxious to know whether you broke into the finals

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Just curious…

How is noprem supposed to answer if s/he has been banned?

Why has noprem been banned??
**“Judge Ye Not Lest Ye be Judged In The Same Eye” ** A Negative one… Catholics are taught Only God should Judge. CAF has Standards of Cionduct, especially against personal negativisms against another.
 
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I think the ? was what did noprem do to get banned? What does it take to get the boot?

…Of course, God judges hearts. But it’s a Spiritual work of Mercy ON OUR PART to judge an action as WRONG and tell someone gently in love not to be a part of it; We do not take part in abortions, bank robberies, adultery, etc. actions we judge to be wrong. We NEVER say one is going to hell for their actions. However, IF you don’t judge actions, then at the least how can you discipline kids? Call the police if your neighbor is beating his wife? whaaaat:shrug:

I have to say to the coworker “do not have that abortion!” or family member “do not live out of wedlock with so and so” … & WHY & then I’ve done my job. They need to hear the truth from us gently if possible:rolleyes: & that can be hard:eek:
 
Find a pre 1971 edition of the NWT at a used book sale, pray that God brings it accross your path. Before 1971 edition the NWT correctly translates Hebrews 1:6 as worship.

Hebrews 1 (KJV)

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5For **unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? **

6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

**13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? **

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

In the book, New Heavens and a New Earth, on pages 27-28, published in 1953, it says:

“For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: ‘You are my Son; today I have become your Father’? And again: ‘I shall be a Father to him, and he will be a Son to me’? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: ‘And let all God’s angels worship him.’”

Also, it is worth noting that the Watchtower organization changes the New World Translation as time goes by. ** In the 1970 edition, Heb. 1:6 is translated as the word “worship.” In the 1980 version it is translated as ‘obeisance.’ Why the change?** Simple, the Watchtower Organization is methodically altering the Bible to make it agree with their theology.

carm.org/heb-16-let-angels-do-obeisance-him

books.google.com/books?id=f1oQt8lufloC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=new+world+translation+hebrews+1+early+editions&source=bl&ots=8WXw82gg6P&sig=BqgRJB6izVrKzM5ZDqRG466L_Js&hl=en&ei=uIB4TpisJtSgtwfNvLmcDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=new%20world%20translation%20hebrews%201%20early%20editions&f=false

Hebrews 1:6
“But when He again brings his First-born into the inhabited earth, he says: ‘And let all God’s angels worship him’ .” (New World Translation, 1950, 1961, 1970 editions,

The NWT revised 1971 edition was changed to read, “do obeisance to” rather than “worship”. This change remains to this day, even though the original word chosen by the 4 NWT translators, was accurate to the Greek. However the Watchtower society was losing so may new converts because of the word “worship” (only God gets worshipped) that they did the typically dishonorable thing and chose the obscure unknown word “obeisance” to complete the deception of new converts.

bible.ca/Jw-NWT.htm

books.google.com/books?id=DmB-P5KU_YUC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=new+world+translation+hebrews+1+early+editions&source=bl&ots=hww5rafCkt&sig=lLapOHwH7oKHa3o7lLaXdwIYPck&hl=en&ei=uIB4TpisJtSgtwfNvLmcDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q&f=false
Hello everyone,

My brother a JW gave me this to look at:

Heb 1:6 YLT

“…and when again He may bring in the first-born to the world, He saith, `And let them **bow **before him – all messengers of God;’”

Also he asked me to post this link for all to read:

PROSKYNEO-Always “Worship”?
thoughts.com/letusreason/proskyneo-always-

Extract from above link,

"One Catholic critic has recently stated:

*“The point is that legitimate bibles use the word [proskyneo] consistently, and let the reader interpret its meaning - which can mean either our traditional use of the word today - being ‘adoration’ or simply just ‘obeisance’. My point is that the NWT should not impose its theology by dicing up ‘proskuneo’ between obeisance and worship - one to apply to Jesus and other creatures and the other to God. Translate the Greek word consistently, and then try and explain passages that appear to go against your interpretation. The Watchtower does the exact opposite. It imposes its theology on ‘proskuneo’ to take the ‘difficulty’ out of the interpretation. To me, that is an abomination” *

He said this after quoting the Jerusalem Bible in passages in Matthew where proskyneo is used toward Jesus. But if this gentleman had checked this up with another Catholic translation the New American Bible of 1986 he might have been more…"

He said he was banned from this forum because he exposed grievous flaws in Catholic theology and dogma and grave inconsistencies etc?

Regards, to all,

happyhippo
 
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