Scriptures and Homosexuality

[kozlosap]

There is no scientific evidence of being born gay or a homosexual

I suggest taking a quick read of a few medical journals concerning this - I don’t mean homophobic non- scientific rags, I’m referring to AMA, The Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine. No, there currently are not studies which prove that being born LGBT IS GENETIC, but, the vast majority of scientists participating in such research have come to the conclusion, that yes, humans are born with the propensity for being “non-straight”.

Obviously there is not a problem being born gay according to the Church. The problem occurs when a person engages in sexual behavior.

 

[NM505StKate]

Obviously there is not a problem being born gay according to the Church. The problem occurs when a person engages in sexual behavior.

When one thinks about it why is there so much concern between what happens between two consenting adults? Why is the Church so preoccupied with sex? Why are many religions so preoccupied with it? Could it be that the people who wrote some of the laws were control freaks and just found the practice icky?

 

[clem456]

When one thinks about it why is there so much concern between what happens between two consenting adults? Why is the Church so preoccupied with sex? Why are many religions so preoccupied with it? Could it be that the people who wrote some of the laws were control freaks and just found the practice icky?

Yea, why do people talk about sex all the time?
All the time they talk about sex. TV shows, movies, books, internet, forums.
All the time.

We just shouldn’t comment on that at all… We should have no reaction to a freely flowing sewer. Let if flow.

Why is the Church so preoccupied with sex?

Kate, if you read the CCC you will discover that (horror of horrors), sex is barely mentioned. Barely even visible.

So yea, why are we so preoccupied with sex?

 

[kozlosap]

I agree with your position to the MAX! When Papa Francis told reporters after his election that the Church needs to stop focusing so completely on Gay issues, abortion and other hot button social issues and instead start following the Gospels and help others. Most posters here are not hateful, btw.

 

[NM505StKate]

Yea, why do people talk about sex all the time?
All the time they talk about sex. TV shows, movies, books, internet, forums.
All the time.

We just shouldn’t comment on that at all… We should have no reaction to a freely flowing sewer. Let if flow.

Kate, if you read the CCC you will discover that (horror of horrors), sex is barely mentioned. Barely even visible.

So yea, why are we so preoccupied with sex?

Yes why are you so preoccupied with sex? I’m not nor are people I know.

 

[kozlosap]

NM505StKate - we seem to share many of the same conclusions regarding the obsession that some members of the Church have with all of the sexual dogma. I’ve had conversations here on CAF with those that truly believe contraceptive use is a horrible mortal sin, akin to murder. I’ve been a member of the same parish for decades and have never, even once, heard someone state such garbage.

 

[clem456]

NM505StKate - we seem to share many of the same conclusions regarding the obsession that some members of the Church have with all of the sexual dogma. I’ve had conversations here on CAF with those that truly believe contraceptive use is a horrible mortal sin, akin to murder. I’ve been a member of the same parish for decades and have never, even once, heard someone state such garbage.

It’s nonsense that the Church is obsessed with sex.
Absolute nonsense.

It’s a childish idea, akin to throwing a flaming bag of stuff on someone’s doorstep, then being aghast when someone notices it.

Really, read the catechism, and give us the percentage of the Catechism devoted to sex.

If you don’t like it being discussed here, maybe you shouldn’t talk about it. But here you are, talking about obsession with sex.
What do you think?

 

[clem456]

Yes why are you so preoccupied with sex? I’m not nor are people I know.

No, of course not.

Why did you bring it up?

Read the CCC, and tell us how much of it is obsessed with sex, then report back to us.
You brought it up, you should support your assertion.

 

[Rau]

I suggest taking a quick read of a few medical journals concerning this - I don’t mean homophobic non- scientific rags, I’m referring to AMA, The Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine. No, there currently are not studies which prove that being born LGBT IS GENETIC, but, the vast majority of scientists participating in such research have come to the conclusion, that yes, humans are born with the propensity for being “non-straight”.

Obviously there is not a problem being born gay according to the Church. The problem occurs when a person engages in sexual behavior.

The medical research I have seen attributes at most a small effect to genetics. If you believe otherwise, a reference would be appreciated.

The Church does not know the cause of SSA and thus does not discount a biological factor. The sexual faculty however is evidently intended to be used between man and woman, regardless of desires experienced to the contrary.

 

[billcu1]

I suggest taking a quick read of a few medical journals concerning this - I don’t mean homophobic non- scientific rags, I’m referring to AMA, The Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine. No, there currently are not studies which prove that being born LGBT IS GENETIC, but, the vast majority of scientists participating in such research have come to the conclusion, that yes, humans are born with the propensity for being “non-straight”.

Obviously there is not a problem being born gay according to the Church. The problem occurs when a person engages in sexual behavior.

The American Medical Assoc oh boy the BIGGEST lobby group in the nation. Well there goes any political non bias. And we know how politics on this is now. IDK hw much of the AMA is medical and how much isn’t. I couldn’t trust med journals. Homophobic quite not. Scientific? That’s questionable. Political? Oh you bet.

 

[Rau]

…But, even “to the fullest extent” thus defined does not go far enough to explain how a person with SSA should live – as a hermit? in isolation? without human bonds? without friendship? under constant surveillance? There’s a whole lot for the Church to admit to.

As an unmarried person. Do you propose otherwise?

 

[billcu1]

I suggest taking a quick read of a few medical journals concerning this - I don’t mean homophobic non- scientific rags, I’m referring to AMA, The Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine. No, there currently are not studies which prove that being born LGBT IS GENETIC, but, the vast majority of scientists participating in such research have come to the conclusion, that yes, humans are born with the propensity for being “non-straight”.

Obviously there is not a problem being born gay according to the Church. The problem occurs when a person engages in sexual behavior.

Here’s what the AMA thinks about Homosexuality.

ama-assn.org/ama/pub/about-ama/our-people/member-groups-sections/glbt-advisory-committee/ama-policy-regarding-sexual-orientation.page?

Don’t expect any “journals” or “medical statements” to go against this. There is no “problem”, no medical issue. There is no issue for a medical journal to speak of. All is normal as heterosexuality.

 

[Rau]

Here’s what the AMA thinks about Homosexuality.

ama-assn.org/ama/pub/about-ama/our-people/member-groups-sections/glbt-advisory-committee/ama-policy-regarding-sexual-orientation.page?

Don’t expect any “journals” or “medical statements” to go against this. There is no “problem”, no medical issue. There is no issue for a medical journal to speak of. All is normal as heterosexuality.

Bill - the medical position (eg. as per DSM) adopted regarding homosexuality is an entirely pragmatic one, but if you want to argue its tinged with some political correctness, I can understand that.

The medical position is:
1 Some people have unexplained inclinations or behaviours;
2 Many of them don’t seek treatment and accept their situation;
3 Medical Science knows neither the cause of, nor has an effective treatment for, these conditions;
4 Those people experiencing the condition - at least those for whom 2 is true - are not considered a threat to themselves or others by virtue of their condition…

and therefore…there is no practical purpose in deeming these people as requiring medical treatment.

Of course, that is not the same as asserting that SSA is an expected sexual orientation for the human being. Our body makes clear what should be expected. It comes equipped for the opposite sex and yet the mind desires otherwise.

 

[billcu1]

Bill - the medical position (eg. as per DSM) adopted regarding homosexuality is an entirely pragmatic one, but if you want to argue its tinged with some political correctness, I can understand that.

The medical position is:
1 Some people have unexplained inclinations or behaviours;
2 Many of them don’t seek treatment and accept their situation;
3 Medical Science knows neither the cause of, nor has an effective treatment for, these conditions;
4 Those people experiencing the condition - at least those for whom 2 is true - are not considered a threat to themselves or others by virtue of their condition…

and therefore…there is no practical purpose in deeming these people as requiring medical treatment.

Of course, that is not the same as asserting that SSA is an expected sexual orientation for the human being. Our body makes clear what should be expected. It comes equipped for the opposite sex and yet the mind desires otherwise.

In the early '80s they removed from the DSM homosexuality. I’m not sure what SSA is. Maybe I missed a post. This is an interesting thread I will go back and look. There were political groups asking for it. Like political groups wanting to shutdown sea world because of a “harm” somewhere to killer whales. I don’t like animal cruelty but that’s going a little far IMO.

People wouldn't be thinking about this pertaining to pedaphiles. And that's interesting. Homosexuality is normal but bestiality and pedophilla isn't? They are all disordered. But as the church says. We shouldn't focus on sex. All are welcome in the church. I seem to be seeing a "new science" of sexology. With all kinds of new orders and disorders.

Ok I am seeing “same sex attraction”. Behaviorists are saying unmet needs in youth.There might be something to it. But who doesn’t have “some need(s)” in childhood and adolescence met? Maybe that’s why we’re different. I like what was said. If people were born gay there would be no culpability. That makes sense. If it’s unmet needs, there should be some common threads appearing.

 

[billcu1]

I just thought I’d mention this for those interested. The title of this thread is “Scriptures…” and I don’t want to wander. But here’s a link.

catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/homosexuality/known-causes-of-same-sex-attraction.html

I was not good at sports. My father died when I was 8. My peers made fun of me terribly. And it has had its’ effects. SSA is not one of them. So I think things go deeper than this text.

:tiphat:

 

[jjr9]

I: Things are divided into the Moral, Judicial, and Ceremonial law in Scripture according to Jimmy Akin’s The Bible and Homosexuality: How to Respond to Dan Savage’s Attack which will be the basis of this posts claims.
II: Homosexuality is regarded under the Moral Law, still binding. But couldn’t it be under the Judicial Law, not binding but a good idea for health reasons? In the time period.
III: Couldn’t St. Paul be speaking about the punishment of hellfire in a sense, to where it was actually applicable in another sense?
IV: Could the Church be wrong on this issue?

I find it unfortunate that young people such as yourself are taught the myth of “homosexuality”. Particularly
by some in the Magisterium.

The truth of the matter is that Scripture only speaks of SSA and SS behavior not an exclusive SSA.

Unfortunately some in the Magisterium have accepted the mythical “homosexual person” in the
CCC 2357-2359 on no rational basis.

I believe the Lord will correct this error by some in the Magisterium.

God bless