SDA Adventist claim 538 AD – 1798 AD = 1260 years prove the Papacy is the Anti-Christ and that Catholic Church oppressed God’s peoples

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I was under the impression that caesaropapism was the policy of rule back in the day:

Caesaropapism /ˌsiːzəroʊˈpeɪpɪzəm/ is the idea of combining the power of secular government with the religious power, or of making secular authority superior to the spiritual authority of the Church; especially concerning the connection of the Church with government. Justus Henning Böhmer (1674–1749) may have originally coined the term caesaropapism ( Cäseropapismus ).[1] Max Weber (1864-1920) wrote: “a secular, caesaropapist ruler… exercises supreme authority in ecclesiastic matters by virtue of his autonomous legitimacy”.[2] According to Weber’s political sociology, caesaropapism entails “the complete subordination of priests to secular power.”[3]

In its extreme form, caesaropapism is a political theory in which the head of state, notably the emperor (“Caesar”, by extension a “superior” king), is also the supreme head of the church (pope or analogous religious leader). In this form, caesaropapism inverts theocracy (or hierocracy in Weber) in which institutions of the church control the state. Both caesaropapism and theocracy are systems in which there is no separation of church and state and in which the two form parts of a single power-structure.
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Exactly. Under caesaropapism, the Emperor had the power, not the Pope, and as 538 tells us, it was Theodora calling the shots.
 
Yes, it’s what Constantine did - exercised his authority over the Pope.
 
Not trying to convert you my friend.

I grew up in a religion that plagiarised SDA interpretation of prophesy but made it our own. We spent huge amounts of our time comparing history to revelation, it became an important part of our truth, study after study after study. Once you become so absorbed in it, it is hard to let it go, it is hard to see beyond what you know.

I am just trying to present one of the things which kind of got the ball rolling for me. No amount of quibbling over dates would ever do it. For me it was the methodolgy of interpretation which became the trigger to the house of cards.

When it comes down to it none of the early church fathers would have been able to interpret revelation, we had to wait for at least 1260 years to be able to truly identify the beasts dragon witnesses etc

The 2300 years … was that date setting the return of Jesus Christ per chance?
 
Yes, the 2300 years prophecy was ostensibly theorized to determine the second coming of Christ, that being October 22, 1844. Othrwise known as the Great Dissappointment. Since that didn’t happen, Adventists claim that was the day He went into the Most Holy place in Heaven to begin the judgement of the dead.
 
Most theologians understand scripture prophecy to be a prophetic day means 1 literal year.

Paul said in Galations 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.

Jesus said in Mark 1: 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

What specifically do those passages refer to? How was time fulfilled that the Messiah would show up, or start preaching, or die?

The answer was given to Daniel in chapter 9 verses 24-27. The angel goes into good detail concerning the 70 weeks and when the Messiah would come, start preaching, be killed, or cut off, and the normal Jewish sacrifice stopped.

This is exactly what happened when Jesus was born and killed. This wasn’t 70 literal weeks that the angel spoke of but 70 prophetic weeks. Are you not aware that this day to year prophecy is clear in this passage?

I’m not getting into the SDA papacy claim, only that the day to year prophetic terms are indeed scriptural.
 
JohnR77 said:
SDA Adventist claim 538 AD – 1798 AD = 1260 years prove the Papacy is the Anti-Christ

Their interpretation of Revelation chapters 11 – 13 is that the Anti-Christ will reign 1260. They claim the Catholic legal authorities. This combined power was used by the Church used its religious authority to control secular and Catholic Church to oppress God’s people during this time.
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Put a few random numbers together, find a way to connect it to Revelation, take massive logical leaps, and bam! You have a Fundamentalist Protestant prophecy/ conspiracy theory. It would be funny if not for the fact that people actually take it seriously.
 
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Most anti-Catholics claim the Papacy was “invented” in 325. As to the Adventists, bless their hearts, they are juggling numbers to make their faith work.

But, John wrote that “many antichrists” had already gone out into the world! Am also wondering how a Pope exercising secular power and keeping peace can be the “man of lawlessness.” Again, the antichrist denies that Christ has come in the flesh. Ah, Mr. SDA, which Pope has done that?

Crickets…

As an aside, ever research their brain-damaged, mercury poisoned, bed-ridden “visionary”? Ellen Gould white - although thety rarely mention her these days. Poor thing. May she rest in peace.
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This was an amazing post !!! 😂
 
OK. I will try to get you some more scripture verses for that .
Revelation does say that many waters represents many nations .
The only question is which city
 
And there does the “most theologians”. Most dentists recommend …

That is not exactly true, most theologians don’t even dabble in prophesy, and it was not until the 19th century that these interpretations started occurring and have become rife in American protestantism.

Reading the 70 weeks as 490 years has failed completely all that is really done is ignore the whole prophecy, stick the last week as being Jesus 3.5 year ministry so that half way through that week the Messiah is cut off.

From that point they work backward to find year dot so to speak which yields a lot of problems hideous speculations but they are generally provided with around 3 years leeway as a consequence of numbering, but then fail miserably to find what happens at the end of the 490 years, ie 3.5 years after Jesus was crucified so the final half a week is projected into the future.

Slice and dice prophecy but what you are failing to observe is that Jesus Christ was prophecied concerning his BIRTH not his death, and you have no 30 - 33 years in that 70 weeks prophecy.

Try doing the maths. I have.

So instead I read and interpret the seventy weeks prophecy as being quite literally 70 weeks.
 
Curious why you are interested in replying to a post that simply states “oh boy …” as if it is saying anything. I know I wouldn’t.
 
Please don’t just quote scripture like that without having a purpose.
 
Didn’t their foundress state that the world was supposed to end in 1846?
 
I inferred that he ment the SDA were wrong to give Any date on Jesus’ return n coming back
 
Do they still do that? I don’t think there are any SDAs here, preaching to the choir perhaps.
 
Asking someone for common courtesy is apparently wrong these days is it?

People are more than welcome to post, just please don’t make them lazy posts, lazy posts make noise but no product.
 
Darryl_B said:
Asking someone for common courtesy is apparently wrong these days is it?

People are more than welcome to post, just please don’t make them lazy posts, lazy posts make noise but no product.
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Remember when you are pointing fingers at someone else there are three fingers pointing back at you. I find it quite interesting that 6 out of your 10 posts on this thread meet your “lazy” criteria. 🤔
 
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