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chief714
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Just noticing lately from other users on G+. A few of them are Seventh Day Adventists and they are SERIOUS about being on a vegan diet claiming it’s biblical… so my question is simply… : What up wit dat? 
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Evan
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As with most groups that have broken the Church, there is some select group of Bible verses that are to be observed in exclusion to all others:
SDA… Important verse: Acts 15:29
“You must abstain from eating food offered to idols, from consuming blood or the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. If you do this, you will do well. Farewell.”
So, to be strict about not eating blood, you must not eat meat as it may have blood in it. There was a time they would not accept blood transfusions as it was considered ‘eating’ blood (my daughter would not during her delivery even if need to save her life or that of her soon to be born son… MIL is SDA).
SDA… Not important verses: Acts 10: 9-15
"About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. **It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.” “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” **
As with most groups that have broken the Church, there is some select group of Bible verses that are to be observed in exclusion to all others:
SDA… Important verse: Acts 15:29
“You must abstain from eating food offered to idols, from consuming blood or the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. If you do this, you will do well. Farewell.”
So, to be strict about not eating blood, you must not eat meat as it may have blood in it. There was a time they would not accept blood transfusions as it was considered ‘eating’ blood (my daughter would not during her delivery even if need to save her life or that of her soon to be born son… MIL is SDA).
SDA… Not important verses: Acts 10: 9-15
"About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. **It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.” “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” **
po18guy
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Additionally, they grant near-scriptural status to the writings of their foundress, Ellen Gould White. She taught vegetarianism, and so they choose to follow her. If they are completely honest, they will admit that it is not biblical in origin. Acts 10 defeats them on that account.
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puzzleannie
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Jesus would not be a very good SDA then, since we know he ate lamb, eggs and fish if not other animal foods
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Hesychios
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A great point
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Hesychios
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I think this is worth some reflection.
There isn’t anything wrong with vegetarianism. In fact, if an individual, a club or family (or religious order) were to adopt this as a discipline, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the practice. It could be considered quite commendable on a number of levels ( I would not be surprised if there were a house of monks somewhere around who do not eat animals).
I also think that probably some modern and affluent western people would be better off reducing their animal consumption.
It is simply not supported as a religious requirement in scripture nor in tradition, therefore it cannot be imposed on the laity as if it were a genuine religious teaching.
There isn’t anything wrong with vegetarianism. In fact, if an individual, a club or family (or religious order) were to adopt this as a discipline, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the practice. It could be considered quite commendable on a number of levels ( I would not be surprised if there were a house of monks somewhere around who do not eat animals).
I also think that probably some modern and affluent western people would be better off reducing their animal consumption.
It is simply not supported as a religious requirement in scripture nor in tradition, therefore it cannot be imposed on the laity as if it were a genuine religious teaching.
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SteveVH
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Here is another verse, from Matthew 15:11 -
“It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”
“It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”
po18guy
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As I see it, the problem comes not from the teaching itself, which is morally neutral and purely a matter of personal freedom, but rather the SDA adherence to Ellen Gould White’s teachings - many of which are at odds with long-revealed Christian truth. And, of course, while EGW was fervently anti-Catholic, I know of no writings of hers which condemn the equally Apostolic Orthodox Church. While rejecting Church authority and the idea of a Pope, the SDA have, by elevating her writings to pseudo-scriptural status, permanently installed her as the SDA “pope”
The “visions” which produced many of her teachings are to be suspected. It is documented that she suffered serious head trauma, and possible organic brain damage, as a youth. It is thought that she suffered from mercury poisoning as a result of her participation in the family hat-making business. Some believe that she is a “mad hatter” To me, the fact that her “visions” followed both of these potentially cognition altering occurrences should raise caution flags.
I see clearly that a certain spirit was very active in the fertile religious fields of 19th century America, producing many similar heresies (SDA, JW, LDS) and greatly promoting division in the Body of Christ. I can state with confidence that it was not the Holy Spirit.
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Hesychios
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I agree.
They have canonized her writings, essentially making her a ‘prophetess’, perhaps like Moses (although I don’t know if they call her such a thing).
The movement split, as these things do, because it follows the ‘gnostic’ pattern of a new teacher surpassing the predecessor. Rather being submissive to the divinely revealed Truth and working within that context, they come to think they know better and can improve upon it.
po18guy
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Rather infamously, David Koresh and the Branch Davidians split off from the SDA. However, such doctrinal fabrications as soul sleep, soul annhiliation, and Jesus as Saint Michael the Archangel are clearly the products of private interpretation of scripture. And, I was certain that their bibles have 2 Peter 1:20…
Once you veer off the path, there is no telling where you will end up.
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dingodile
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I was raised in the SDA church, more or less, as a child, although that ended by the time I was 9 or 10. My grandmother was a vegetarian from the time of her conversion in the 1940s, but never a vegan. My grandfather never became a vegetarian, but was in “good standing with the church.”
As I recall, vegetarianism was widely regarded as a matter of “health reform”, and not a religious doctrine. I could be wrong, but that’s what I remember. My parents were not SDA (or anything else), and so I was not a vegetarian at home. At SDA school and church, only vegetarian food was served, but it was no secret that I ate meat, and so did a number of the other kids. We weren’t given any flack about it.
As I recall, Sister White herself got into a bit of trouble at one point for being seen eating some meat–in Australia, I think it was.
It was John Harvey Kellogg who really promoted vegetarianism in the SDA church, although he was eventually pushed out, as a result of power struggles with EGW.
As I recall, vegetarianism was widely regarded as a matter of “health reform”, and not a religious doctrine. I could be wrong, but that’s what I remember. My parents were not SDA (or anything else), and so I was not a vegetarian at home. At SDA school and church, only vegetarian food was served, but it was no secret that I ate meat, and so did a number of the other kids. We weren’t given any flack about it.
As I recall, Sister White herself got into a bit of trouble at one point for being seen eating some meat–in Australia, I think it was.
It was John Harvey Kellogg who really promoted vegetarianism in the SDA church, although he was eventually pushed out, as a result of power struggles with EGW.
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John_Paul_Jones
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Do you have the Bible verses where it mentions Jesus ate lamb and eggs?
Though there are several verses where food is mentioned, and where there was an occasion to eat, I don’t recall many verses where it mentions when Jesus eating and what specifically he had to eat. There are only four foods (that I can recall) that are mentioned in the Gospels. They are Bread and Wine during the Last Supper, and after His Resurrection He had honey comb and fish while He visited the Apostles. (And twice when) He refused to eat something presented to Him, once when tempted by the devil to turn rocks into bread, and then on the cross Jesus refused the wine/gall offered by the Roman soldier during the Crucifixion.
po18guy
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Two times after His resurrection, fish is mentioned - first at the appearance to the Apostles, where He ate it before them (Luke 24:42), then later on the shore of the lake of Tiberias in John 20. John does not specifically say that Jesus ate the fish, but it is implied in that He dined with them.
po18guy
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Yes, this is correct. An SDA pastor/chaplain at my former workplace told me that vegetarianism is taught as a discipline. He himself practiced it.
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cccw2009
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Seventh-day Adventism promote the vegetarian/vegan lifestyle (for health proposes) but does not require its members to become one. Most SDAs are vegetarian/vegan. You can find meat eating SDAs though, I being one.Just noticing lately from other users on G+. A few of them are Seventh Day Adventists and they are SERIOUS about being on a vegan diet claiming it’s biblical… so my question is simply… : What up wit dat?
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Pythons
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I think the SDA’s abstain from foods, that according to the law of Moses, are unclean…
…Such as pork products and shrimp - things like that.
…I believe their prophet frowned at eating meat - however remember reading she did not practice what she preached.
…She was caught more then once slamming oysters and also chicken.
Ellen White said something about the eating of eggs causing prayers to sink to the ground…
…This ‘egg weight’ would cause the prayers to sink and not make it up to where God is.
…They believe a literal flesh and blood God is in a literal temple in heaven.
…And also think Jesus is inside the most holy part of the temple splattering his blood to “cleanse it”.
Bizzare, I know - a teaching which maintains that heaven was contaminated so Christ needed to clean it up…
…I tend to agree with the Orthodox poster who said the vegan thing is harmless to the SDA’s.
…What gets them is their blasphemy against the Trinity.
…Such as pork products and shrimp - things like that.
…I believe their prophet frowned at eating meat - however remember reading she did not practice what she preached.
…She was caught more then once slamming oysters and also chicken.
Ellen White said something about the eating of eggs causing prayers to sink to the ground…
…This ‘egg weight’ would cause the prayers to sink and not make it up to where God is.
…They believe a literal flesh and blood God is in a literal temple in heaven.
…And also think Jesus is inside the most holy part of the temple splattering his blood to “cleanse it”.
Bizzare, I know - a teaching which maintains that heaven was contaminated so Christ needed to clean it up…
…I tend to agree with the Orthodox poster who said the vegan thing is harmless to the SDA’s.
…What gets them is their blasphemy against the Trinity.
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SteveVH
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Jesus was a Jew. One thing Jews did, at every single Passover, at a minimum, was eat an unblemished lamb. It was so common that it would have been strange, indeed, for anyone to have to mention this in biblical writings.
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PJM
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Day cause they didn’t keep on reading. There position is to be found in Genesis Chapter 1.=chief714;8555883]Just noticing lately from other users on G+. A few of them are Seventh Day Adventists and they are SERIOUS about being on a vegan diet claiming it’s biblical… so my question is simply… : What up wit dat?
verses 27-31 " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.” And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, **I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day. **
As Old PH would have said: “And here is the REST of the story”
AFTER THE FLOOD AND TO NOAH AND DESENDENTS
Gen.9 1-7 "And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. **The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every bird of the air, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea; into your hand they are delivered. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; and as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
[4] Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. ** For your lifeblood I will surely require a reckoning; of every beast I will require it and of man; of every man’s brother I will require the life of man. Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for God made man in his own image. And you, be fruitful and multiply, bring forth abundantly on the earth and multiply in it.”
Later in exodus we find Yahweh providing flesh [quail] for Moses and his lot to eat…
Exodus 16: 4-8 "Then the LORD said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day’s portion every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law or not. On the sixth day, when they prepare what they bring in, it will be twice as much as they gather daily.” So Moses and Aaron said to all the people of Israel, “At evening you shall know that it was the LORD who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and in the morning you shall see the glory of the LORD, because he has heard your murmurings against the LORD. For what are we, that you murmur against us?” ***And Moses said, “When the LORD gives you in the evening flesh to eat and in the morning bread to the full, because the LORD has heard your murmurings which you murmur against him – what are we? Your murmurings are not against us but against the LORD.” ***
There ya go
God Bless,
Pat
po18guy
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Notice also that man could eat anything that moved, until Moses? Why? The golden calf (Exodus 32). Egyptians worshipped calves, and the disobedient Hebrews in the desert, tired of following Moses, and who had desired to return to Egypt, made a golden calf to worship. Then followed the dietary laws through Moses in Leviticus.
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