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Kendy
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None of my comments have been about defending Sean. Sean is wrong, but he’s the lost sheep here. The sheperd needs to figure out how to bring the sheep home, not taunt him with a stick.
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Spence06
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I agree completely with your statements and position. It is not that Father E attempted to correct Sean it is how and the words he decided to use and how he said them.
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setter
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I highly suspect that this public debate exchange has done more to get non-active and/or compromising cafeteria Catholics to consider that there is a thoughtful and serious reason why the Church teaches that ABC is grave sin. Thank you Father for your fortitude in service of reaching the masses with the truth of the Church’s teaching.
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Tantum_ergo
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Addressing the 90% failure rate. . .
One does have to put some responsibility on the students here. Let me tell you, it is entirely possible to teach, using every single command and technique at one’s disposal, teaching directly, specifically, and to the ‘comfort and perception’ of each individual student. . .but no matter how carefully one teaches, some students will not (not ‘cannot’, but will not) learn.
You can give an open book exam on a question which they have already done (as homework), had graded, had any errors corrected and the correct information given. . .there will still be some who fail, even with every possible ‘help’ given.
The fewer the perceived immediate ‘negative’ consequences to a student should he not study, and the greater the perceived immediate ‘positive’ consequences (time spent with peers or doing ‘fun’ activities), the more likely a student, even a ‘good’, capable, well balanced, well taught, carefully supervised and lovingly brought up student, will not study.
Let’s compare the average U.S. Catholic of the last 40 years. What immediate ‘negative consequences’ does he or she perceive from ‘not following’ church teaching, on any given subject of course, but let’s take contraception/abortion. Is the person subject to any perceived punishment? (and punishment does NOT mean somebody tells him or her that contraception is wrong, I mean being held to consequences like confession, repentence, restitution, etc.)
What immediate ‘positive consequences’ does he/she receive from not following? No need to consider tiresome morality, to be chaste and continent, to pursue marriage as a sacrament, to give the gift of sexual relations within a sacred and valid marriage, to consider children as anything other than ‘choice’. So the ‘positive’ consequences are ‘freedom’ in sex, ‘freedom’ of ‘choice’, freedom from ‘authority’ (after all it is one’s ‘personal choice’), ‘acceptance’ by the majority, etc.
So we have a generation and more of those for whom disregarding church teaching not only does not give them immediate ‘negative’ consequences, the disregard gives them the immediate ‘positive’ consequences of sexual ‘pleasure’ at will, acceptance by the majority, and the ego boosting of self-perception as ‘the one who chooses’. Pride, in other words. . .pride in one’s intellect, pride in one’s actions, even sinful actions; pride in one’s refusal to ‘subject’ to ‘someone else’. . .
One does have to put some responsibility on the students here. Let me tell you, it is entirely possible to teach, using every single command and technique at one’s disposal, teaching directly, specifically, and to the ‘comfort and perception’ of each individual student. . .but no matter how carefully one teaches, some students will not (not ‘cannot’, but will not) learn.
You can give an open book exam on a question which they have already done (as homework), had graded, had any errors corrected and the correct information given. . .there will still be some who fail, even with every possible ‘help’ given.
The fewer the perceived immediate ‘negative’ consequences to a student should he not study, and the greater the perceived immediate ‘positive’ consequences (time spent with peers or doing ‘fun’ activities), the more likely a student, even a ‘good’, capable, well balanced, well taught, carefully supervised and lovingly brought up student, will not study.
Let’s compare the average U.S. Catholic of the last 40 years. What immediate ‘negative consequences’ does he or she perceive from ‘not following’ church teaching, on any given subject of course, but let’s take contraception/abortion. Is the person subject to any perceived punishment? (and punishment does NOT mean somebody tells him or her that contraception is wrong, I mean being held to consequences like confession, repentence, restitution, etc.)
What immediate ‘positive consequences’ does he/she receive from not following? No need to consider tiresome morality, to be chaste and continent, to pursue marriage as a sacrament, to give the gift of sexual relations within a sacred and valid marriage, to consider children as anything other than ‘choice’. So the ‘positive’ consequences are ‘freedom’ in sex, ‘freedom’ of ‘choice’, freedom from ‘authority’ (after all it is one’s ‘personal choice’), ‘acceptance’ by the majority, etc.
So we have a generation and more of those for whom disregarding church teaching not only does not give them immediate ‘negative’ consequences, the disregard gives them the immediate ‘positive’ consequences of sexual ‘pleasure’ at will, acceptance by the majority, and the ego boosting of self-perception as ‘the one who chooses’. Pride, in other words. . .pride in one’s intellect, pride in one’s actions, even sinful actions; pride in one’s refusal to ‘subject’ to ‘someone else’. . .
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setter
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He spoke the truth in all love and civility …I am left wondering if perhaps you are watching a different clip other than the Sean and Father exchange.
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Spence06
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I didn’t watch the clip.
I watched the show.
We simply don’t agree in the manner in which his remarks were perceived.
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setter
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This is the exact consensus of every Catholic that I have personally spoken to who watched the show/clip.
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Kendy
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I can’t believe I am too.
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setter;1997651:
Maybe you underestimate people? I find people who are hypersensitive and find every way possible to be offended have deeper problems than simply misreading what someone says on some topic. In fact, the approach used these many years is why we are in the state we are.I didn’t realize “mad” was an inflamatory word.
The Sean Hannity, and FoxNews is not a good place to learn anything. Imagine you don’t know anything about this. The only thing you would know is that this priest thinks Sean is a heretic. You are not sure what heretic means, but you have heard that heretics were tortured during the Inquisition so that word leaves a bad taste in your mouth. You don’t really understand why the priest is so concern about bc, but you have a suspecion that the catholic church is against sex unless it produces babies so you see this as further evidence of that fact. You think that Sean’s points about the sex scandle makes sense, nad you think the priest is just a hypocrtite. I think that’s how most people saw that exchange.
We have to see this beyond our daily mass attending, cathesis reading eyes, and look at it from the prespective of those we want to evangelize. No os going to be evangelize because they are told they are a shallow understanding of their faith. A good teacher takes someone with a shallow understanding and helpsthem form a deeper understanding without the student realizing it. Sometimes, I look at myself and consider how much I have grown in the past two years and through none of that did God and the people who help me make me feel like I was ignorant eventhough I was.
Kendy
No one is saying to throw caution to the wind and act callously. But, we may need to grasp that not every single time someone claims offense or is indignant means we need to water things down. The truth is attractive to many. Have you thought how many are being lost to false charity and an appeal to popular “niceness” rather than authentic truth spoken in love?
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Stylteralmaldo
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This situation saddens me yet also reinforces the fact that being a faithful Catholic is more important than being associated with any particular political party.
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Nordar
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To see what Fr.E did on that show as taunting Sean Hannity with a stick just boggles my mind.
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setter
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I didn’t realize “mad” was an inflamatory word.
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MrS
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Please watch the clip again… and then comment.
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blessedtoo
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This is the same misunderstanding Sean was trying to “promote” with the good Father. In other words, it’s fine for non-Catholics to use ABC and we, as Catholics, should not push our “beliefs” on them. So can’t this same argument be made in the case of abortion? Why should Catholics expect non-Catholics to oppose abortion? The Church has the mission to preach the Gospel and the Truth to all mankind, not just those already on board. As an outspoken Catholic (to the Church’s detriment, I belive) Mr. Hannity is consistently advocating a message of confusion. If he believes ABC is acceptable for a certain group of folks (as well as abortion being acceptable in certain cases), then he should keep his mouth shut about being a Catholic. He wears his Catholicism as a prop, IMO, and does great harm by parading his personal opinions while proclaiming himself a devout Catholic.
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blessedtoo
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This is the same misunderstanding Sean was trying to “promote” with the good Father. In other words, it’s fine for non-Catholics to use ABC and we, as Catholics, should not push our “beliefs” on them. So can’t this same argument be made in the case of abortion? Why should Catholics expect non-Catholics to oppose abortion? The Church has the mission to preach the Gospel and the Truth to all mankind, not just those already on board. As an outspoken Catholic (to the Church’s detriment, I belive) Mr. Hannity is consistently advocating a message of confusion. If he believes ABC is acceptable for a certain group of folks (as well as abortion being acceptable in certain cases), then he should keep his mouth shut about being a Catholic. He wears his Catholicism as a prop, IMO, and does great harm by parading his personal opinions while proclaiming himself a devout Catholic.
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blessedtoo
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This is the same misunderstanding Sean was trying to “promote” with the good Father. In other words, it’s fine for non-Catholics to use ABC and we, as Catholics, should not push our “beliefs” on them. So can’t this same argument be made in the case of abortion? Why should Catholics expect non-Catholics to oppose abortion? The Church has the mission to preach the Gospel and the Truth to all mankind, not just those already on board. As an outspoken Catholic (to the Church’s detriment, I belive) Mr. Hannity is consistently advocating a message of confusion. If he believes ABC is acceptable for a certain group of folks (as well as abortion being acceptable in certain cases), then he should keep his mouth shut about being a Catholic. He wears his Catholicism as a prop, IMO, and does great harm by parading his personal opinions while proclaiming himself a devout Catholic.
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blessedtoo
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Perhaps he is. As he should be.
Premarital sex and cohabitation is also common. Today, so is abortion (1 in 4 births). Shall we avoid singling out those who use their public forum to advocate for these issues? In fact, what moral travesy isn’t “too common” today? And how did this happen? Perhaps a lack of courage on the part of clergy to “go out into the streets, and into public places, like the first apostles.” JPII.
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