Sean Hannity faces-off with Priest who calls him heretic

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Tantum_ergo said:
Addressing the 90% failure rate. . .

One does have to put some responsibility on the students here. Let me tell you, it is entirely possible to teach, using every single command and technique at one’s disposal, teaching directly, specifically, and to the ‘comfort and perception’ of each individual student. . .but no matter how carefully one teaches, some students will not (not ‘cannot’, but will not) learn.

You can give an open book exam on a question which they have already done (as homework), had graded, had any errors corrected and the correct information given. . .there will still be some who fail, even with every possible ‘help’ given.

The fewer the perceived immediate ‘negative’ consequences to a student should he not study, and the greater the perceived immediate ‘positive’ consequences (time spent with peers or doing ‘fun’ activities), the more likely a student, even a ‘good’, capable, well balanced, well taught, carefully supervised and lovingly brought up student, will not study.

Let’s compare the average U.S. Catholic of the last 40 years. What immediate ‘negative consequences’ does he or she perceive from ‘not following’ church teaching, on any given subject of course, but let’s take contraception/abortion. Is the person subject to any perceived punishment? (and punishment does NOT mean somebody tells him or her that contraception is wrong, I mean being held to consequences like confession, repentence, restitution, etc.)

What immediate ‘positive consequences’ does he/she receive from not following? No need to consider tiresome morality, to be chaste and continent, to pursue marriage as a sacrament, to give the gift of sexual relations within a sacred and valid marriage, to consider children as anything other than ‘choice’. So the ‘positive’ consequences are ‘freedom’ in sex, ‘freedom’ of ‘choice’, freedom from ‘authority’ (after all it is one’s ‘personal choice’), ‘acceptance’ by the majority, etc.

So we have a generation and more of those for whom disregarding church teaching not only does not give them immediate ‘negative’ consequences, the disregard gives them the immediate ‘positive’ consequences of sexual ‘pleasure’ at will, acceptance by the majority, and the ego boosting of self-perception as ‘the one who chooses’. Pride, in other words. . .pride in one’s intellect, pride in one’s actions, even sinful actions; pride in one’s refusal to ‘subject’ to ‘someone else’. . .
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Yes, I agree that consequences are necessary, but only after proper instruction.
 
It seems that often “orthodox” catholics are so eager to see other people chastised that it doesn’t matter when, where, or how this is done as long as some cafeteria catholics get a good spanking.
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So there are catagories of Catholics? What does “orthodox” mean in this context? Was Fr. E. representing some unique sector of Catholicism or was he presenting the teaching of the one Church?

As a faithful Catholic, I was uncomfortable watching the whole episode, but not because of Fr. E’s behavior or even because of Mr. Hannity’s belligerence. For me, it was just a sad little microcosm of the division in our Church and heartbreaking that such misunderstanding continues to run rampant.
 
fix said:
Kendy;1997712:
Maybe you underestimate people? I find people who are hypersensitive and find every way possible to be offended have deeper problems than simply misreading what someone says on some topic. In fact, the approach used these many years is why we are in the state we are.

No one is saying to throw caution to the wind and act callously. But, we may need to grasp that not every single time someone claims offense or is indignant means we need to water things down. The truth is attractive to many. Have you thought how many are being lost to false charity and an appeal to popular “niceness” rather than authentic truth spoken in love?
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About a year ago, two protestants I know were convinced that I belonged to a false church. Now, both of them consider me a Christian, one of them says, I have changed his life. I have never told these people that they are heretics although they are. And one of them was a more bitter and hateful person before we started talking about faith. If you consider this false charity, then I am guilty.

Kendy
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Kendy said:
fix;1997738:
About a year ago, two protestants I know were convinced that I belonged to a false church. Now, both of them consider me a Christian, one of them says, I have changed his life. I have never told these people that they are heretics although they are. And one of them was a more bitter and hateful person before we started talking about faith. If you consider this false charity, then I am guilty.

Kendy
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Hannity is in a different position. He is a formal Catholic and claims to be faithful. He denies something he is required to assent to.
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fix said:
Kendy;1997816:
Hannity is in a different position. He is a formal Catholic and claims to be faithful. He denies something he is required to assent to.
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He can claim whatever he wants. Does the lost sheep know that he is lost? Does the pig understand that he’s swimming in mud? Often, they do not.
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blessedtoo said:
So there are catagories of Catholics? What does “orthodox” mean in this context? Was Fr. E. representing some unique sector of Catholicism or was he presenting the teaching of the one Church?

As a faithful Catholic, I was uncomfortable watching the whole episode, but not because of Fr. E’s behavior or even because of Mr. Hannity’s belligerence. For me, it was just a sad little microcosm of the division in our Church and heartbreaking that such misunderstanding continues to run rampant.
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Yes, and now the whole world gotto watch it.
 
Kendy said:
fix;1997841:
He can claim whatever he wants. Does the lost sheep know that he is lost? Does the pig understand that he’s swimming in mud? Often, they do not.
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Oh I think he knows deep down he is wrong, and knows the true teachings of The Church. He just does not want to accept them, when Fr.E was not letting him off the hook and he knew he had no legimate answers to negate what Fr was saying he became belligerant and defensive. He knows what the truth is.
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blessedtoo said:
This is the same misunderstanding Sean was trying to “promote” with the good Father. In other words, it’s fine for non-Catholics to use ABC and we, as Catholics, should not push our “beliefs” on them. So can’t this same argument be made in the case of abortion? Why should Catholics expect non-Catholics to oppose abortion? The Church has the mission to preach the Gospel and the Truth to all mankind, not just those already on board. As an outspoken Catholic (to the Church’s detriment, I belive) Mr. Hannity is consistently advocating a message of confusion. If he believes ABC is acceptable for a certain group of folks (as well as abortion being acceptable in certain cases), then he should keep his mouth shut about being a Catholic. He wears his Catholicism as a prop, IMO, and does great harm by parading his personal opinions while proclaiming himself a devout Catholic.
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THANK YOU! I couldn’t believe my eyes when I first saw here the argument that we shouldn’t push our ABC beliefs on someone who isn’t catholic. We’re not talking about abstaining from meat on fridays. Taken to the logical conclusion, the same should be said about abortion (which ABC can also commit).
 
Nordar said:
Kendy;1997848:
Oh I think he knows deep down he is wrong, and knows the true teachings of The Church. He just does not want to accept them, when Fr.E was not letting him off the hook and he knew he had no legimate answers to negate what Fr was saying he became belligerant and defensive. He knows what the truth is.
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That is exactly the impression I got. It seemed Sean knows full well he is wrong and that he should change, but his pride and ego won’t let him take the step—yet. Hopefully, with all the people praying for him, he will take that step soon.
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Does anyone have a quote to clearly express Sean Hannity’s opinion on the subject besides from the discussion with Father tom?
 
What a horrible witness to our faith.

Is there not one Catholic in the public eye - who gets airtime so they are actually seen and heard - who is faithful to the Church and not ashamed to say what they believe? All I can think of are cafeteria Catholics who do nothing but perpetuate the notion that Catholics don’t take their faith seriously: Sean Hannity, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Rudy Giuliani…

God help us all if they are a true sampling of the majority of Catholics in America. Sadly, I think they are.
 
Elzee said:
What a horrible witness to our faith.

Is there not one Catholic in the public eye - who gets airtime so they are actually seen and heard - who is faithful to the Church and not ashamed to say what they believe? All I can think of are cafeteria Catholics who do nothing but perpetuate the notion that Catholics don’t take their faith seriously: Sean Hannity, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Rudy Giuliani…

God help us all if they are a true sampling of the majority of Catholics in America. Sadly, I think they are.
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Not only is it horrible what is more horrible is that we now see public correction of this scandal as a bigger sin than the scandal itself.
 
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