Sean Hannity faces-off with Priest who calls him heretic

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fix said:
Not only is it horrible what is more horrible is that we now see public correction of this scandal as a bigger sin than the scandal itself.
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In her discussion of the Capital Sin of Sloth [in Creed or Chaos} Dorothy Sayers notes that Sloth is now called Tolerance [= indifference] but in hell it is called Despair.
 
setter said:
I do not recall Sean Hannity making this distinction in his assertion.
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I’m just commenting on what you said in your post 313, concerning Sean saying NFP was just another form of birth control.
 
I just emailed Fr Morris about my disappointment of him interfering and confusing the issue.

Unsurprisingly, he had a Fox News email address ( Fatherjonathan@foxnews.com ). So we know where his bread is buttered. Those consultant checks from Fox News must be impressive to go against a fellow priest and defend a heretic.

His email address is accessible through the article, so I don’t think I did anything against forum rules by posting it. The article is at foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258501,00.html
 
Beyrak said:
I just emailed Fr Morris about my disappointment of him interfering and confusing the issue.

Unsurprisingly, he had a Fox News email address ( Fatherjonathan@foxnews.com ). So we know where his bread is buttered. Those consultant checks from Fox News must be impressive to go against a fellow priest and defend a heretic.

His email address is accessible through the article, so I don’t think I did anything against forum rules by posting it. The article is at foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258501,00.html
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In defense of Father Morris, I doubt seriously that whether or not Fox sends him money for his commentary weighed in at all on his decision to comment. I don’t think it’s fair to accuse such a thing of him. I believe he made an error in judgement based on a amicable affiliation with Sean Hannity. Emotion is the largest problem I’m hearing from folks who are passing judgement on Father Euteneuer’s conduct. Father Morris made an error in judgement based on emotion as well.
 
Joe_Kelley said:
In her discussion of the Capital Sin of Sloth [in Creed or Chaos} Dorothy Sayers notes that Sloth is now called Tolerance [= indifference] but in hell it is called Despair.
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Interesting. After reading your point here is occurred to me that perhaps some of the foundation for this reasoning is that immortal souls are not really in danger. Kinda like thinking everyone is in invincible ignorance or has some psychological block so there is no imperative to correct when needed.
 
Kendy said:
There is no doubt that the student is loud-mouth and disobedient. Maybe, he’s among the loudest in a classroom full of disobedient students. But the question is what is the best way for the teacher to handle it. Is it wise for the teacher to allow the student to corner him in a situation where the only thing he can do is argue. How will thi effect the behavior of the other students?

There are many other things we can do to teach about this issue. I wouls much rather see some teaching going on.
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Kendy,

I work in a continuation high school where 90% of our students don’t want to be taught. Still, we do what we can to coax every little bit of work out of them that is possible and try to teach them whenever possible. I can tell you what we do though when we have a disobedient loud mouth who is trying to take away the authority of the teacher and is leading the other students astray. First, we warn them, probably a verbal warning and probably in front of the rest of class. If that doesn’t seem effective, we pull them aside and issue a very explicit written warning. If they still continue with their disruptive behavior, we kick them out of the class. Very often that is just what they need, to have their pride taken down a notch or two, to see that there are consequences for their behavior. When they come back, they are much more humble and much more willing to play by the rules.

I think the situation in the classroom is little different than the situation with the Church. It appears that the vast majority of Catholics are unwilling to embrace the truth. It really only makes matters worse when someone who is very vocal and persuasive is publicly defiant to the authority of the Church. That person is seriously hampering the efforts of the Church to reach out to those who need help in understanding the truths of the teachings of the Church. What really needs to happen is for that disruptive individual to be given consequences, and that is what we have just witnessed with Sean Hannity. He might not like it, but I do believe it is for his benefit as well as for the benefit of the public at large.
 
No os going to be evangelize because they are told they are a shallow understanding of their faith. A good teacher takes someone with a shallow understanding and helpsthem form a deeper understanding without the student realizing it.
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first, this wasn’t in the classroom. sean knows what the church teaches. he wanted to argue against the good priest out of pride. it was his show, he was in control.

did you ever think that the reason fr. euteneuer went on the show was not so much to enlighten sean who’s obviously too prideful to hear the truth, but to enlighten the ignorant viewers who may be led into error by listening to sean who by all accounts appears to be a orthodox good catholic man?

why do you think being a christian is about peace and gettng along with everyone? didn’t Jesus say that we should expect persecution and conflict when preaching the gospel? look what happened to apostles.

the world has been given over to the devil, now and then. the gospel will always be a sign of contradiction because of sin.
 
Beyrak said:
I just emailed Fr Morris about my disappointment of him interfering and confusing the issue.

Unsurprisingly, he had a Fox News email address ( Fatherjonathan@foxnews.com ). So we know where his bread is buttered. Those consultant checks from Fox News must be impressive to go against a fellow priest and defend a heretic.

His email address is accessible through the article, so I don’t think I did anything against forum rules by posting it. The article is at foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258501,00.html
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That is not fair. Just because he’s a corresponding does not mean he gets the money. I know an opus dei priest who is an NBC correspondent and he keeps no one of the money.
 
dulcissima said:
Kendy,

I work in a continuation high school where 90% of our students don’t want to be taught. Still, we do what we can to coax every little bit of work out of them that is possible and try to teach them whenever possible. I can tell you what we do though when we have a disobedient loud mouth who is trying to take away the authority of the teacher and is leading the other students astray. First, we warn them, probably a verbal warning and probably in front of the rest of class. If that doesn’t seem effective, we pull them aside and issue a very explicit written warning. If they still continue with their disruptive behavior, we kick them out of the class. Very often that is just what they need, to have their pride taken down a notch or two, to see that there are consequences for their behavior. When they come back, they are much more humble and much more willing to play by the rules.

I think the situation in the classroom is little different than the situation with the Church. It appears that the vast majority of Catholics are unwilling to embrace the truth. It really only makes matters worse when someone who is very vocal and persuasive is publicly defiant to the authority of the Church. That person is seriously hampering the efforts of the Church to reach out to those who need help in understanding the truths of the teachings of the Church. What really needs to happen is for that disruptive individual to be given consequences, and that is what we have just witnessed with Sean Hannity. He might not like it, but I do believe it is for his benefit as well as for the benefit of the public at large.
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Unfortunately, father E is not in a position to hand out consequences. So, all he can do is argue with Sean in a setting where tempers are know to flair and where useful information often gets overshadowed. If father had organized a reading of Humane vitae in his parish (maybe he has), it would accomplished a lot more good.
 
Kendy said:
Unfortunately, father E is not in a position to hand out consequences. So, all he can do is argue with Sean in a setting where tempers are know to flair and where useful information often gets overshadowed. If father had organized a reading of Humane vitae in his parish (may he has), it would accomplished a lot more good.
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The problem is not Fr. E’s words to Hannity. The problem is Hannity’s public position which is a scandal.
 
Dee_Dee_King said:
first, this wasn’t in the classroom. sean knows what the church teaches. he wanted to argue against the good priest out of pride. it was his show, he was in control.
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Knowing what the church teaches and understanding it are not the same thing. I have known what the church teaches about ABC my whole life, It has been about year since I could say I understand it.

And the fact that that it was under Sean’s control is exactly the problem. Father E put himself in a situation that is known to not have civil dialogue for a few minutes with no opportunity to really explain anything. And used the little time that he did have to call Sean a heretic (most people would be insulted by this and then shut down). I don’t have a problem with Father’s position, I just question his judgement.

Kendy
Dee_Dee_King said:
did you ever think that the reason fr. euteneuer went on the show was not so much to enlighten sean who’s obviously too prideful to hear the truth, but to enlighten the ignorant viewers who may be led into error by listening to sean who by all accounts appears to be a orthodox good catholic man?
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I don’t question Father’s motives, just his methods.
Dee_Dee_King said:
why do you think being a christian is about peace and gettng along with everyone? didn’t Jesus say that we should expect persecution and conflict when preaching the gospel? look what happened to apostles.
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You bring up two things. Being a Christian is not about getting along with people, but it is about peace. There have been time when I have spoken the truth and regretted because I did not do it at the right time, with the right tone, under the right circumstances, and thus, I did not to alienate the person. So, while we must always speak the truth, we have to be loving in our approach and wise in our methods.
Dee_Dee_King said:
the world has been given over to the devil, now and then. the gospel will always be a sign of contradiction because of sin.
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Certainly.
 
fix said:
The problem is not Fr. E’s words to Hannity. The problem is Hannity’s public position which is a scandal.
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I disagree. There are about 10 people in America who are scandalized by a catholic using contraception. It is way too pervasive to cause scandal. There is no real problem is not employing thoughful and charitable means to bring people back to a catholic understanding of chastity.
 
Kendy said:
I disagree. There are about 10 people in America who are scandalized by a catholic using contraception. It is way too pervasive to cause scandal. There is no real problem is not employing thoughful and charitable means to bring people back to a catholic understanding of chastity.
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The entire Catholic church is scadalized by Catholics using contraception.
 
Mr. Hannity has a super ego. Now I watch his show sometime and tend to agree with him in general. However on this he was wrong to invite Father on the show and proceed to treat him the way he did. Mr Hannity seems to think that since he went to seminary that makes him an authority on Catholic matters…actually what it does is make him even more responsible for what he says. In fact, I think he treated the Imam better than Father…Mr Hannity would have done better to be more conversational…and less confronting.

At any rate both made their point.

Right is right and wrong is wrong …case closed

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