Seattle Commentary Attacks the Catholic Church

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Whoa now, let’s just calm down.

Pfoos, I agree that its wrong of the media, and pretty much the world, insulting the Church day after day. They do not see the Truth. This article was not about the Church, it was about a statue and the journalist made his comment probably because when people think of men and boys in odd positions, they automatically either say Catholic or Michael Jackson. And you can blame this on the media.

However, Benedictus is correct in saying that what the Priests and Bishops and whoever else did, was wrong, and more so than what the journalist did.

The point is with all this is the Church is full of sinners and that is bad. The Church gets ridiculed because of those sinners. Rarely do you ever see the media report on Catholic Charities or a religious order that helps the blind. There are as many saints in the making as there are sinners, but they are not recognized in their time. Final thought: What the Priests and others did was horrible and what the media does is bad too, but come on, raping a boy is worse than badmouthing the Church. Plus, the media will get what they got coming to them eventually.

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snowman10:
However, Benedictus is correct in saying that what the Priests and Bishops and whoever else did, was wrong, and more so than what the journalist did.

DU
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These events are tragic, we all know that, but Benedictus is not correct in saying this was an organized effort to perpetuate evil by all levels of the Church. Certainly it is something that could make her less effective in carrying out the “Great Commission” and that’s a horrible offense to Our Lord, but even IF this was a conspiracy of the highest level to rape and pillage young Catholic men, how does that make Church teaching any less true?

We have a right to be offended, Schram obviously has an axe to grind and therefore is not quite an “objective journalist”. :rolleyes:
 
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Jennifer123:
These events are tragic, we all know that, but Benedictus is not correct in saying this was an organized effort to perpetuate evil by all levels of the Church.
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Yeah, um, I never said it was an “organized effort … by all levels of the Church”. All I said was that the evil perpetrated by those inside the Church has done far more harm than some stupid, snide comments by journalosers.

Journalosers like this guy wouldn’t be making jokes about priests and altar boys if many priests hadn’t abused altar boys and if many bishops hadn’t enabled them to do so.

Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing but contempt for journalists in general.
 
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Jennifer123:
We have a right to be offended, Schram obviously has an axe to grind and therefore is not quite an “objective journalist”. :rolleyes:
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You have no idea. This guy used to have a TV talk show, something very much like Phil Donohue. He couldn’t quite let loose like he did in his commentary because there was a live audience, but his sympathies were obvious.

Benedictus,
Nobody’s justifying what the priests and bishops did. But keep in mind that, bad as it was, the abuse covered over fifty years. The percentage of priests involved was miniscule, around 3% on the high side. That’s much less than any other group that has ever been studied.
This in no way justifies any of it.
It does, however, justify the righteous indignation at Ken Schram for his non sequitur slap at the Church. You can tell form his comment about the, “…witch hunt of gay men seeking to become priests,” where his sympathies lie.
His hypocisy is blinding.
The vast majority of sexually abusive priests were homosexual, preying on post-pubescent boys and young men. He complains about the scandal perpetrated predominently by homosexuals, then turns around and criticizes the Church for addressing the issue, calling it a “witch hunt.” :banghead:
Do you see the problem?
 
Bill Donohue’s newsletter on Catholic League was excellent:
October 3, 2005

TV COMMENTATOR WHO LIBELED PRIESTS

WANTS BILL BENNETT FIRED!

Catholic League president Bill Donohue wrote the following news release today on KOMO-TV commentator Ken Schram:

“Ken Schram, a commentator for the ABC affiliate in Seattle, was the subject of a news release we issued on Friday regarding a remark he made the day before. On September 29, Schram said on the air that an artistic display of a nude man reaching for a nude boy ‘might as well be called the priest and the altar boy.’ Thus far, ABC has done nothing about this issue. To make matters worse, on September 30, Schram told viewers that he wants Bill Bennett ‘kicked off the radio airwaves’ for making a hypothetical comment about blacks and abortion.

“Schram’s distortion of Bennett’s remarks led him right into the gutter. Commenting on Bennett’s professorial point, Schram said, ‘Well, that got me to thinking hypothetically: If only Bennett’s mother had had an abortion, the world would be without one more detestable bigot.’

“The duplicity could not be more stark. Bill Bennett has been the victim of the worst kind of smear—a calculated effort to intentionally misrepresent his point by taking his words out of context so that he can be branded a racist. And now everyone from the Bush White House to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is beating up on him to demonstrate how much they deplore racism. They are a disgrace. And to top it off, Ken Schram’s libelous statement about priests is being treated with impunity. Justice is being stood on its head.

“We are currently pursuing ABC officials in New York and Los Angeles seeking a just outcome. Incredibly, the intolerance that so many elites have for racism is matched only by their tolerance for anti-Catholicism.”
 
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Jennifer123:
These events are tragic, we all know that, but Benedictus is not correct in saying this was an organized effort to perpetuate evil by all levels of the Church. Certainly it is something that could make her less effective in carrying out the “Great Commission” and that’s a horrible offense to Our Lord, but even IF this was a conspiracy of the highest level to rape and pillage young Catholic men, how does that make Church teaching any less true?

We have a right to be offended, Schram obviously has an axe to grind and therefore is not quite an “objective journalist”. :rolleyes:
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Im sorry, I really should’ve articulated my thoughts better. I am just saying that what those that hurt the children did something much worse than badmouthing the Church like the reporter did. I still may not be making much sense I just think hurting children is worse than saying bad things, IMHO.

With Respect to all,
DU
 
Is there any organization out there that’s actually DOING something to address this? I was horrified when I read both the original comment and then the response Schram gave to the person who wrote asking for an apology. Obviously, there needs to be a group effort if we’re going to be taken seriously. Any ideas?
 
Here is a link to the KOMO website, with Ken Schram’s response to all the angry messages he’s received…Including the archdiocese. I don’t know how to paste the story in my post; if someone else does, please do so!

www.komonews.com/stories/39643.htm
 
Seattle hasnt even had a case of abuse in the last 18 years (yeah i was shocked and relived too. That means one of my old pastors was cleared), i dont even see why this komo guy even said that in the first place, it was irrelevant and out of line no matter what, and where he is makes it even moreso.
 
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Benedictus:
This article wasn’t offensive. What is offensive is when Church leaders enable the sexual abuse of countless young people. A short remark by this guy is in no way comparable to the attack on the Church by the priests and bishops responsible for the sexual abuse.
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Sorry, you are right, you didn’t state what I had said, “saying this was an organized effort to perpetuate evil by all levels of the Church”. I should have said “intimated” or “implied” that this was a “conspiracy” by the Church. My not so articulate or accurate point was to try to dissuade generalizations that the majority of our Church leaders were participating in willful molestations of children. The facts just don’t support that and we should be careful not to malign the Church through malicious and careless generalizations, lest we become like Mr. Schram who obviously doesn’t know the difference between informed opinion and irreverent detraction.
Just my two cents, sorry if I offended anyone, including Benedictus.
 
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pfoos:
You are missing the point. The art in question and the museum have absolutely nothing to do with the CHURCH whatsoever. His comment does not belong in the commentary. Period. He would never say such a nasty remark about Jews or Muslims.
The main point of why this is an issue is the constant, and I mean CONSTANT, attacks on the CHURCH and her priests from the media, Hollywood, etc. Repeated over and over again, the general public will just believe it is all a Catholic Church problem. When the majority of sexual abuse cases are OUTSIDE of the Catholic Church, you will never hear that from anyone.

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Bravo! 👍 It’s time to clean up every where, not just where they think the money is.
 
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Here is a link to the KOMO website, with Ken Schram’s response to all the angry messages he’s received…Including the archdiocese. I don’t know how to paste the story in my post; if someone else does, please do so!

www.komonews.com/stories/39643.htm
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This is what we get when trying to access the link above:
We’re sorry, but the page you requested could not be found. This could be because the page has been removed, has been moved or renamed, or is temporarily not available.
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Benedictus:
This article wasn’t offensive. What is offensive is when Church leaders enable the sexual abuse of countless young people. A short remark by this guy is in no way comparable to the attack on the Church by the priests and bishops responsible for the sexual abuse.
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Pedophile, acutally is not an accurate term, as more than 80% of the abuse was done to teenage boys and above, which falls into the realm of homosexuality, not pedophilia. The reforms some call for are the very reforms that allowed this to happen. Have you read any books by Michael Rose, if not, you should.
 
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