Seceeding from the Union

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Work towards peaceful resolutions , we have many choices and hope is everywhere, do what you can to bring people together, these crazy ideas of succession helps mo one, and I assure you , no one other than a small group of radicals would even consider such nonsense, we as a nation have to come together, there will never be a confederacy again, and economically the idea is crazy. However I do understand peoples frustrations, my family and I have our own small nation 400 ares of farm and mountain land. We raise our own cattle chickens , and small crops, but we don’t want succession , I’ll be honest government has worked with us , we started raising honey bees they were more than helpful, we also pay less taxes due to greenbelt, and we welcome everyone, God wants us to live as brothers and sisters and divesivnese is never a solution, just crests more desintion , so help your neighbor , think about what you say , and believe me anything that calls for revolution or blood shed brings no grace . Trust me
 
Rocco6196 said:
See how easy it is to start people up! Let’s fire up the base let’s succeed, let’s start a revolution , it’s insane, I got to say I love it , go spend as much as you can on ammo. I’ll invest more in my finances and businesses, while you live your lives praying for a revolution and war , like I said it’s probably cheaper to leave the country.
or better yet save your money so you don’t have to depend on government aids, and sometimes facts are like political polls, you need to cut through the nonsense to see what’s obscuring the truth.
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grow the divide some more son … none will be better for it … but the win of the debate is more important than the prize … right?
 
GEddie said:
Whatever you may think of our present government, that is not true of the USA. Our military is still the world’s premier pants-kicker.

ICXC NIKA
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As was the Soviet Union and in less than a generation they broke up and became an historical entity. What remains is much less than what was. Economic collapse worries me far more than military. The debtor is the slave to the lender and we are now the debtor to China. It is not crazy to see that this will have negative consequences in the immediate future.
 
We are still the worlds strongest economy, we have the largest military, spend more than any other nation on our military, you see all gloom and doom , our country and people all of them, have been through worse , it’s time to pull together work towards common goals , and stop talking nonsense with succession, you fear economic callapse, think about what succession would do. Especially in the south or whatever states your talking about. I can’t believe this is even a thread , it truly is a joke , you may get a couple of thousand people that want to succeed from the union , Gingrich got more than a couple of thousand to believe he could achieve moon colonies if he were elected, maybe that’s where they could succeed to ,

God Bless
 
Rocco6196 said:
I can’t believe this is even a thread , it truly is a joke ,
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Rocco, the purpose of this thread was to consider the morality of secession, not the practicality. So the “joke” comment, if it applies at all, does so only in practical terms.

The morality of it is no joking or trivial matter. Our nation is at present, a self-destructing wreck. Pending repentance, I don’t think it has very much of a future.
 
Ana_v said:
Rocco, the purpose of this thread was to consider the morality of secession, not the practicality. So the “joke” comment, if it applies at all, does so only in practical terms.

The morality of it is no joking or trivial matter. Our nation is at present, a self-destructing wreck. Pending repentance, I don’t think it has very much of a future.
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Nobody likes losing elections, or backing the losing side of one.

But this nation has seen far worse than we have now.

ICXC NIKA
 
Our country and our people like I said have been through worse, we rose then and we will again, and being honest with you I have been listening to people from the south wanting to succeed forever,let’s pull together and get back to work.there’s work all through the south to bad none of our people want to do it. Illegals don’t have a problem with hard work, we need to contribute both economicly and morally , pull together as one nation one people and drive on,
 
in the days of the Roman empire, They had the strongest economy, the largest military, and a highly sophisticated infrastructure … they didn’t make it, and don’t for a moment go thinking we are special.
Your right that we need to work towards reunification. I’m not sure how to go about it.
seems in any discussion people focus on winning, whether or not the objective is right or wrong. Never mind the damage done by the fight, or even the prize. its all about chalking up another win to stroke our egos before going on to the next fight.
secession as a topic is far from foolish, its an indicator.
I’d never have thought I’d ever see the topic in a Catholic forum.
This thread is born of fear. A fear felt deeply and by many.
The topic is here because many see the possibility of civil unrest.
if it comes to pass, it can begin in any number of ways ranging from the topic at hand to a riot, to a lynch mob sacking DC.
This … in a place, that normally discusses matters of faith … wow … message received:eek:
 
Ana , I know what you mean and I agree, but threads like this is like when Trump calls for a revolution, we live in the moutins of Tn and work a farm, there are actual people that believe we need to succeed , want a war with the North , as you know most are evangelicals and I don’t like to hear from a Catholic forum or any forum feeding fuel to a few radicles who truly believe this is what we should do. Trust me I’ve seen the worst of man, but I do believe that a small few can make a big difference I also believe with a dought that we shall all rise out of this nonsense. We’ve been through worse.

God bless
 
TurboLover336 said:
in the days of the Roman empire, They had the strongest economy, the largest military, and a highly sophisticated infrastructure … they didn’t make it, and don’t for a moment go thinking we are special.
Your right that we need to work towards reunification. I’m not sure how to go about it.
seems in any discussion people focus on winning, whether or not the objective is right or wrong. Never mind the damage done by the fight, or even the prize. its all about chalking up another win to stroke our egos before going on to the next fight.
secession as a topic is far from foolish, its an indicator.
I’d never have thought I’d ever see the topic in a Catholic forum.
This thread is born of fear. A fear felt deeply and by many.
The topic is here because many see the possibility of civil unrest.
if it comes to pass, it can begin in any number of ways ranging from the topic at hand to a riot, to a lynch mob sacking DC.
This … in a place, that normally discusses matters of faith … wow … message received:eek:
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It’s not the first time the topic has appeared.

No, we are not special, but I am optimistic enough to imagine we can do better than the Romans. We have taken personal freedom farther than they did, and have technology they never dreamed of.

They lasted 1,000 years. We have so far not had 250.

Let’s get over the election and resume living life as best we can.

ICXC NIKA
 
Great answer Nikka , we can do better than the Romans Optimisim is always a path to the future, I was astonished to hear these remarks on a Catholic forum, and I bet the people who beat the drums of war have never actualy lived it, We are more civilized than the Romans , and have more values , I don’t expect we will be going to a football arena and watching gladiators killing each other. I’m sure this thread has allot to do with the political outcome of the elections, and not that I’m taking sides but the losing side did spew allot of hatred and racisim. People are going to say no I’m wrong but it’s the truth , so maybe if we led by example , and stop the hatred , and obscure suggestions ( succession) on a spiritual forum, just maybe we can make things better. And please war mongers unless you have lived it don’t try to embrace it, no civil wars revolutions, civil inserection, preach something benevolent

God bless
 
Rocco6196 said:
Great answer Nikka , we can do better than the Romans Optimisim is always a path to the future, I was astonished to hear these remarks on a Catholic forum, and I bet the people who beat the drums of war have never actualy lived it, We are more civilized than the Romans , and have more values , I don’t expect we will be going to a football arena and watching gladiators killing each other. I’m sure this thread has allot to do with the political outcome of the elections, and not that I’m taking sides but the losing side did spew allot of hatred and racisim. People are going to say no I’m wrong but it’s the truth , so maybe if we led by example , and stop the hatred , and obscure suggestions ( succession) on a spiritual forum, just maybe we can make things better. And please war mongers unless you have lived it don’t try to embrace it, no civil wars revolutions, civil inserection, preach something benevolent

God bless
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👍👍

Thanks, but my name isn’t Nikka, it’s Eddie :):)🙂

ICXC NIKA is no more nor less than the Greek slogan for Jesus Christ Victorious.

Shalom and ICXC NIKA.
 
I don’t think anybody is going to secede. Sometimes people feel like that, but it’s not going to happen.

However, of perhaps passing interest, there are actually two states that aren’t in the Union, depending on how you look at it. They sort of slipped by. Both Mo and Ky passed articles of secession during the Civil War, and were accepted into the Confederacy. The Union never admitted it because it occupied most of both fairly quickly, though Mo had the most ferocious guerilla war imaginable, even after the Confederacy surrendered, and underwent a horrific Reconstruction.

After the war, the Union required that all legislatures in the former Confederate states pass articles of reunion, to be re-admitted. Because of the odd status of Mo and Ky, neither were required to do it.

So, technically, I guess…(shhhhhhhhhhh. I live in Mo. :))
 
Rocco6196 said:
Great answer Nikka , we can do better than the Romans Optimisim is always a path to the future, I was astonished to hear these remarks on a Catholic forum, and I bet the people who beat the drums of war have never actualy lived it, We are more civilized than the Romans , and have more values , I don’t expect we will be going to a football arena and watching gladiators killing each other. I’m sure this thread has allot to do with the political outcome of the elections, and not that I’m taking sides but the losing side did spew allot of hatred and racisim. People are going to say no I’m wrong but it’s the truth , so maybe if we led by example , and stop the hatred , and obscure suggestions ( succession) on a spiritual forum, just maybe we can make things better. And please war mongers unless you have lived it don’t try to embrace it, no civil wars revolutions, civil inserection, preach something benevolent

God bless
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I’m not favoring civil war or any other war. But I’m not sure the characterization of the Roman Empire above tells the full story.

Early on, the Romans were, among the peoples of the time, noted for their virtue. One story (which some consider apocryphal) concerns the last days of Carthage. Roman soldiers came upon the statue of Moloch, where Carthaginians used to sacrifice their first born by casting them into the fire; a practice that was supposed to bring prosperity.

The Roman soldiers were so enraged by the sight that, disciplined though they were famous for being, their commanders lost control of them and they slew every Carthaginian they laid eyes on for perpetrating such a horror.

And we, who often consider ourselves more virtuous than they, and more civilized and all, are we so very different from the Carthaginians, we who burn unborn children with caustics, disembowel them, and for what? For lots of reasons one understands, but one of them being that it would damage one’s fortunes, one’s career, “to be burdened with a baby” as our president has so famously said.

But are we a bit better than the Carthaginians were? And yes, the Romans watched gladitorial battles. Were a million gladiators killed per year? One doubts it. Yet a million unborn children in this country are killed every year and we consider ourselves superior to those Romans who perpetrated gladiatorial games? Some gladiators, we understand, were volunteers; the “sports stars” of their day, and most combats did not result in death because gladiators were too costly to waste wantonly. No unborn children volunteer for abortion.

If you ask me, the ancient Romans might, with justification, look upon us as the real savages; the cruel, the uncivilized.
 
Were on the topic of succession though I would really like to answer your question both intelligently and politely I can’t the forum Police already spanked me yesterday for stating the truth in regards to a issue that was clearly proven. I was polite no fowl or crude language, but I guess someone was offended by the truth. So I’m not going to touch any contrevisial subjects,
 
Ridgerunner said:
I’m not favoring civil war or any other war. But I’m not sure the characterization of the Roman Empire above tells the full story.

Early on, the Romans were, among the peoples of the time, noted for their virtue. One story (which some consider apocryphal) concerns the last days of Carthage. Roman soldiers came upon the statue of Moloch, where Carthaginians used to sacrifice their first born by casting them into the fire; a practice that was supposed to bring prosperity.

The Roman soldiers were so enraged by the sight that, disciplined though they were famous for being, their commanders lost control of them and they slew every Carthaginian they laid eyes on for perpetrating such a horror.

And we, who often consider ourselves more virtuous than they, and more civilized and all, are we so very different from the Carthaginians, we who burn unborn children with caustics, disembowel them, and for what? For lots of reasons one understands, but one of them being that it would damage one’s fortunes, one’s career, “to be burdened with a baby” as our president has so famously said.

But are we a bit better than the Carthaginians were? And yes, the Romans watched gladitorial battles. Were a million gladiators killed per year? One doubts it. Yet a million unborn children in this country are killed every year and we consider ourselves superior to those Romans who perpetrated gladiatorial games? Some gladiators, we understand, were volunteers; the “sports stars” of their day, and most combats did not result in death because gladiators were too costly to waste wantonly. No unborn children volunteer for abortion.

If you ask me, the ancient Romans might, with justification, look upon us as the real savages; the cruel, the uncivilized.
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let me first say thank you for such a well thought and well written response.
I too question the “We’re number one” mentality of our nation. We no longer have a completely American made car. furthermore the only products I have found made in the USA have been guns, ammo, plastic containers and guitar pickups … We may have been No.1 but not anymore.
we have gang violence as well. you cannot call us civilized by turning a blind eye to this issue.
Living out delusions of how great we are is a sure way for fate to show us all how great we aren’t
 
Ok first don’t be under the illusion that our firearms are mainly American , army uses beretta 92, m16 as parts made in china, most are primars are foreign made. As far as civility with the exception of a few we engage in war and abide by the convention rules, we don’t purposely destroy entire villages, yes there is no civility in war a death is always putrid, but we don’t decapitate our prisoners especially civilians and broadest it, we enter the theater with trying to avoid offending the civilians even when we know they hide the enemy, and as far as the gang bangers they’ve always been here the thugs and immorals who prey on innocence , bit yes we are civilized we incarcerate them, try them via judicial process and afford them all there constitutional rights , and so you see with all the bad there is also allot of civility and it’s up to us to sway people to further that cause but not by separation exclusion and racisim
 
Ana_v said:
Rocco, the purpose of this thread was to consider the morality of secession, not the practicality.
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That is the spirit in which I answered. Of course I do not consider secession practical at this time. Neither do I believe America is immune from destruction, especially if we continue on the current path away from God. I regret that this thread has caused negative emotions and insulting rhetoric. That has no place in a real discussion.
 
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