My opinion is that sticking together and working together is the moral choice, rather than trying to fragment and tear apart our nation, leading only to war.I’m interested in reading your opinions, moral analysis I mean, on secession, as a solution/response to the crisis in the United States (its societal evils , economic failing, political attacks on religious freedom, and militarism).
Is this incompatible with the principle that we are, in general, to obey government authorities?
The practicality of it was settled, not the legality nor the morality, unless you subscribe to the old adage that might makes right.That’s a settled question.
The last time a bunch of misguided people tried it it cost 800,000 lives and economically destroyed the third of the country that tried it for 80 years.
Don’t make us go all “Grant and Sherman” on your butts again!
I think that people in the upper echelons of the government/military that would be responsible for maintaining possession of a significant portion of the tax base (a ceded state) and charged with maintaining the well being of the union DO subscribe that that adage.The practicality of it was settled, not the legality nor the morality, unless you subscribe to the old adage that might makes right.
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union…”I’m interested in reading your opinions, moral analysis I mean, on secession, as a solution/response to the crisis in the United States (its societal evils , economic failing, political attacks on religious freedom, and militarism).
Is this incompatible with the principle that we are, in general, to obey government authorities?
In principle, secession could be permissible if it is either done legally, or if the federal government were to become overly oppressive and unjust.I’m interested in reading your opinions, moral analysis I mean, on secession, as a solution/response to the crisis in the United States (its societal evils , economic failing, political attacks on religious freedom, and militarism).
Is this incompatible with the principle that we are, in general, to obey government authorities?
The difficulty, even if done within the law, is that it would lead to a civil war between the State seceding and the troops of the federal government. Those troops would likely be national guardsmen who would either follow orders or refuse to fire on American citizens.I’m interested in reading your opinions, moral analysis I mean, on secession, as a solution/response to the crisis in the United States (its societal evils , economic failing, political attacks on religious freedom, and militarism).
Is this incompatible with the principle that we are, in general, to obey government authorities?
The American Revolution would be an example of your second justification.In principle, secession could be permissible if it is either done legally, or if the federal government were to become overly oppressive and unjust.
Yes, if it would start a war. I would think the only moral way would be to do so bi-laterally, with agreement of the federal government, or possibly a decision by the courts to re-instate the 10th Amendment.In light of that, we know that secession would start a war. Therefore, it would be immoral to do so.
It wouldn’t be the old South again. Some of the CS states would choose to stay with the Union; many states that were not part of it in 1861 would join the secession effort.It would never happen, the south would never leave the union , they would be incaple of surviving financially. That is to crazy to even have a discussion about.
Interesting. So which part of the country has the bankrupt cities and financially-strapped states? I don’t recall Texas needing government bail-out for itself or its industries. No, we are just the cash cow for others that lack the ability to balance their books.It would never happen, the south would never leave the union , they would be incaple of surviving financially.
In the case of the Confederacy, given that they wanted to leave in order to be able to continue in an immoral practice, you could probably make a case that doing so would be immoral.The American Revolution would be an example of your second justification.
It is very hard to justify why any people should be ruled over by another; for example, if the former Confederate States of America (or the people of California or any other state) no longer wish to be politically joined with the rest of the United States, what moral principle prevents them from leaving peacefully?
Exactly; also, if the Union responded to the seceders by going to war, the seceders – if they had just cause for becoming independent, which is debatable but I think a compelling case could be made in favor of that course of action – have the right to defend themselves.Who says the seceders have to secede by way of war?