Secular Criticism of Contraception

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flyingfish said:
Some people are extremely productive, most of us would not be able to have 8 children and earn 2 advanced degrees.
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Given the choice, I’d rather have the 8 children. Can you imagine the grandchildren you’d have? 🙂
 
jmcrae said:
Given the choice, I’d rather have the 8 children. Can you imagine the grandchildren you’d have? 🙂
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Personally I am on the fence between having 1 child or none at all. Having any more seems like it would be far too stressful. But that’s obviously a personal preference.
 
Koopa said:
Hello! Can someone help me to compile solid reasons why contraception is immoral without mentioning God? Basically, I want to know why an atheist wouldn’t use contraception.
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I don’t think so. If God cares about the marital act, that’s all the more for secularists to not care.
 
flyingfish said:
Personally I am on the fence between having 1 child or none at all. Having any more seems like it would be far too stressful. But that’s obviously a personal preference.
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Kids are fun. More kids = more fun! 🙂
 
jmcrae said:
Kids are fun. More kids = more fun! 🙂
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For you, but this is not how everyone feels. Most people today have small families of 1-2 children, maybe 3. I can only assume that this is by choice. Before birth control or effective methods of NFP, women wouldn’t have had much of a choice. Especially since at that time women also were not treated as quite human, and so had very limited career options and likely really needed husbands for their livelihoods. Being a single woman back when women couldn’t be successful professionals, and earlier still couldn’t work in most professions would have meant a very sad existence. Being a married woman would have meant nearly constant pregnancy during the fertile years. A raw deal either way.
 
flyingfish said:
For you, but this is not how everyone feels. Most people today have small families of 1-2 children, maybe 3. I can only assume that this is by choice. Before birth control or effective methods of NFP, women wouldn’t have had much of a choice. Especially since at that time women also were not treated as quite human, and so had very limited career options and likely really needed husbands for their livelihoods. Being a single woman back when women couldn’t be successful professionals, and earlier still couldn’t work in most professions would have meant a very sad existence. Being a married woman would have meant nearly constant pregnancy during the fertile years. A raw deal either way.
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Yep, having lot of children just isn;t for everyone. In fact I think you could make the argument it;s not for most people. For most people I imagine that trying to care for a large family is stressful not fun.

Course even back in those days that you speak of I am sure there were some women that enjoyed such an existance. But there was still plenty that didn;t. The main issue was the lack of any real choice.
 
Calliso said:
Course even back in those days that you speak of I am sure there were some women that enjoyed such an existance. But there was still plenty that didn;t. The main issue was the lack of any real choice.
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Right, though on average those women didn’t have many children, just many pregnancies. The child mortality rate pre-vaccinations/modern medicine was so high that on average only 2 children would survive to adulthood.

For a very long time, the human population barely grew.

A while back I read about the kinds of things women in Africa are going through now, many pregnancies, high maternal mortality rate, and high rate of severe/permanent post-birth complications.

There are very few things a woman could have done naturally to avoid many births, since NFP is a pretty recent invention. The only one I can think of is losing so much weight that period ends (female athletes/dances/anorexics can have this happen to them), but this has its own side effects of early osteoporosis etc.
 
mark_a said:
There’s a surefire way not to have kids. God has only intervened once.
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And for most marriages having no sex would not work. I mean 25-30 years is a very long time to be married to someone and not be intimate in that way. Not to mention if I remember correctly marital rape wasn;t illegal in the USA until like the last few decades in some states. So a wife could be forced too as well.
 
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