Secular orders are an essential part of the mendicant tradition

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I have wanted to create this thread for a while. Every time I’m about to do so, something else draws my attention away from it. There seems to be lack of knowledge about the Franciscan tradition, which negatively affects our Secular Order. On a few posts, I have read the same wording. “They’re just lay people,” or “They’re just a third order.”

There is a problem with this perception. It diminishes, if not completely ignores the place and need for secular orders in Catholic tradition. I can speak best about the Secular Franciscan Order, since two of our founding members came from that order. They have taught me well. I believe that much of what I say about the OFS is true about the other secular orders in the mendican tradition.

The third order of the Franciscan family was founded to accommodate secular men and women, not laymen and women. There were always laymen and women in the third order, but there were also laymen and women in the first and second orders. We had lay brothers, who should not be confused with religious brothers. We also had lay sisters, which should not be confused with nuns and religious sisters. We no longer have lay brothers or lay sisters. These have died out. But that’s a thread for another day.

The third order was born from a penitential movement of the day. Many people who followed this movement ended up in heresy. When the Dominicans and the Franciscans come on the scene, many people took refuge under their spiritual guidance, including secular clergy such as Pope Gregory IX.

Among them were some who asked Francis of Assisi to accept them as friars and nuns. However, they had obligations in the world. They were married, were secular priests tied to parishes or had other family obligations. Francis of Assisi took the Rule of the Friars Minor and edited it so that it could be lived in a loosely bound community, rather than a friary or a cloistered monastery. However, he preserved the penitential idealism of the day. Hence he called his third order, the Brothers of Penance. By 1228, just two years after St. Francis’ death, the Brothers of Penance has grown into two groups, seculars and regulars (religious), hence the term Third Order Regular Franciscans (TOR).

The order was always a cohesive body of secular and consecrated men and women with its own vision, mission and canonical place in the Church. It was never an arm of the friars or the nuns. Nor are the friars or the nuns their superiors. The Dominicans also adopted a group of penitents. The difference is that in the Dominican family, the Master General of the friars is the Master General of the family. This is not the case in the Franciscan family. Every community of friars (brothers) has its own superior general. Every monastery of Poor Clares is autonomous and answers directly to the pope. There is no general superior of the Poor Clares. And each branch of the Third Order has its own superior general called a General Minister.

The Secular Franciscan Order (OFS) is the largest branch of the Franciscan family and is a branch of the Third Order. It follows the Rule and Life of the Third Order as to the sisters and friars who are in the Third Order. The Constitutions are different. The constitutions address points and situations that Francis never foresaw.

Some people try to place the Secular Franciscan Order (OFS) under the same umbrella as other third orders, because Canon Law only mentions third orders once. The problem with this is that the associations to which Canon Law refers are not actual orders. They are public associations of the faithful as is the Secular Franciscan Order. However, there are many kinds of public associations. The Friars at EWTN are a public association. My own community is a public association. This can be a permanent status or a rung on the ladder to becoming an institute of Pontifical Right.
 
The reality is that Canon Lawyers do not know what to do with the Secular Franciscan Order. It is not an order of religious, but it is not a society of associates either. As far as the Franciscan family is concerned, the Secular Franciscans are true Franciscans. They are as much Franciscan as I am. They have the right to the same respect that I do as a person, as a Catholic and as a Franciscan brothers. They are truly Franciscan brothers and Franciscan sisters. Their profession to live the Gospel according to the Rule of St. Francis and the constitutions of their order is equal to my own profession. The fact that they do not specifically mention the evangelical counsels of poverty and chastity in their rite of profession does not make them any less Franciscan. Their formula for profession comes from the Benedictine tradition. In the Benedictine tradition, one vows obedience to the rule. The rule commands chastity and poverty.

The Secular Franciscan Order does not come under the moderation of the friars. There is a special commission that the Holy See gave to the three branches of the Friars Minor and to the Third Order Regular to provide spiritual assistants to the seculars, if they don’t have their own. Observe, the relationship is not one of oversight.

The Secular Franciscan Order has its own general superior, general council, national, regional and local superiors and councils. It has its own property and assets, its own ministries and in some places its own clergy. If you watched the coverage of the Holy Father’s visit to Brazil, you would have seen him visiting a new rehabilitation clinic for addicts. You would have seen men in brown Franciscan habits. These brothers are Secular Franciscans (OFS). This is their ministry. They are celibate, but they are not religious. They retain their secular canonical status while living in community and serving in community. One of the blessings of being part of the Secular Franciscan Order is the ability to diversify how one lives the Franciscan life and how one serves the Church.

The problem that many non-Franciscans have understanding the place of the Secular Franciscan Order in the Church stems from a rather vocal, but small group of Secular Franciscans who after Vatican II took the Council’s declaration on the Apostolate of the Laity and ran with it in the wrong direction. The Council never told them to break with their traditional way of life: LOTH, fasts, abstinences, detachment from material things, fraternity, and service to the poorest of the poor. Nor did the Council ever encourage them to embrace secularism to the point that they threw out all forms of distinguishing garb and all forms of liturgical prayer and replaced it with nonsense. The Council simply encourage the laity, whatever its state in life may be, to engage in the mission of the Church by taking the Gospel to those places where we religious and clergy cannot go, because there are not enough of us or because it would be inappropriate.

These few people screamed, “WE’RE SECULARS. WE’RE NOT MINI FRIARS OR NUNS.” If you remember there was a rather famous and touching novel called the Call of the Wild, I call this cry “The Call of the Lost”. I don’t mean lost souls. I’m sure that many of them are closer to God than I am. I mean that they lost their sense of direction. So don’t use them as your point of reference when trying to understand the vocation and the tradition of the secular orders. The secular orders are truly canonical orders with a place in the life of the Church. They have made great contributions to the Church and produced a long list of saints, popes, bishops, priests and outstanding citizens.

I would certainly welcome other Franciscans, regular or secular to contribute to this thread as much information as possible about this tradition, which is a very special gift that the Holy Spirit has given to the Church and which is often the forgotten vocation and unappreciated by most Catholics, including clergy and hierarchy.
 
Thank you for starting this thread brother.

Don’t worry about being confused YoungTradCath. That is why Brother started this thread. The Secular Franciscan Order is confusing in its place in the Church, the Franciscan Order and even among themselves. There are even many members of the Secular Franciscan Order that don’t understand everything that Brother JR said. On Facebook right now there are discussions among seculars about how they don’t think the name “Secular Franciscan Order” is appropriate in this day and time, how they don’t like the “new” abbreviation OFS and stuff like that. All things that are feed by both misunderstanding and pride.
 
The best way to get out of confusion is to ask questions.

I’ll will begin by saying that many people look at Secular Dominicans, Franciscans, and Carmelites and thing of them as Oblates. They are not oblates. A oblate is a different vocation. Oblates are not an order. The Benedictine Oblates are attached to an individual Benedictine community. In the mendicant tradition, the members are not attached to a house. They are attached to the order by a canonical profession to observe a way of life.

In other communities, they have what they call third orders or associates. Under either name, these men or women are not attached to the community by a canonical bond. There’s the difference between the third order of the SSPX, Missionaries of Charity or Passionists, for example. These communities are not orders. Since the mother community is not an order, the daughter community is not one either. The bonds are fraternal, not legal. A Franciscan, Carmelite, or Dominican is canonically bound to his or her order until the day he dies or he asks for permission to leave.

This is why we friars say that their profession is the same as our own. We’re bound to the community until we die or are dispensed. These days, dispensations are easier to get. This was not always the case and it may not be the case for long. This is one of the issues that’s going to be examined during the Year of Consecrated Life. The three mendicant secular orders come under the umbrella of Institutes of Consecrated Life.

I’m not sure. There may be two more mendicant secular orders, Trinitarian and Servite. Maybe someone else knows for sure. I can’t seem to find reliable information on this.
 
= I am confused.
Me too, somewhat.

It would help if the following terms could be defined:
  • secular
  • lay
  • religious
  • regular
It is a subject of great interest to me. I have thought about becoming a lay associate to a Cistercian monastery and know many lay Carmelites and lay Dominicans. TrueLight who used to post here is becoming a lay Dominican. My parish is visited regularly by Carmelites and we have five Nashville Dominicans teaching in our school. The brother in this video, I think he is Brother Michael from Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, has relatives in our parish and visits once in a while. A man from our parish is now a Franciscan Friar and priest on mission in Brazil. I’ve longed to teach a class on the place of the religious in the Church for our Adult Faith Formation program.

-Tim-
 
The main difference in the terms is the state in life.

First off is lay vs. ordained. An ordained person is someone that has received Holy Orders. Bishops, priests and deacons are ordained. Anyone that hasn’t been ordained is lay.

The second category is secular vs. religious. People that have professed vows are religious. People that haven’t professed vows are secular. Your “average” person would be secular and lay. A diocese priest is usually secular and ordained. A Franciscan brother that isn’t a priest would be lay and religious. A Franciscan priest would be religious and ordained.

The Secular Franciscan Order is for people that want to follow St. Francis’ ideals but do not make public vows, they make promises. Since it is for secular people diocese priests and deacons can also be members. Several Popes have also been members.

Within the Franciscan third order there are two main branches. One for those that are Secular and those that take vows. The former is called the Secular Franciscan Order. The latter is called Third Order Regular. Regular in this case refers to the fact they are “regular” religious since they have taken vows. Many Franciscan brothers and sisters you see, unless they are part of the First or Second Order fall under the umbrella of TOR. I am sure Brother JR can give a much more thorough explanation of all this.
 
Can somebody make a diagram of this on a Word document or make a PDF or something? I think it would be very helpful to have a diagrammatic visual with verbal explanations.
 
The main difference in the terms is the state in life.

First off is lay vs. ordained. An ordained person is someone that has received Holy Orders. Bishops, priests and deacons are ordained. Anyone that hasn’t been ordained is lay.

The second category is secular vs. religious. People that have professed vows are religious. People that haven’t professed vows are secular. Your “average” person would be secular and lay. A diocese priest is usually secular and ordained. A Franciscan brother that isn’t a priest would be lay and religious. A Franciscan priest would be religious and ordained.

The Secular Franciscan Order is for people that want to follow St. Francis’ ideals but do not make public vows, they make promises. Since it is for secular people diocese priests and deacons can also be members. Several Popes have also been members.

Within the Franciscan third order there are two main branches. One for those that are Secular and those that take vows. The former is called the Secular Franciscan Order. The latter is called Third Order Regular. Regular in this case refers to the fact they are “regular” religious since they have taken vows. Many Franciscan brothers and sisters you see, unless they are part of the First or Second Order fall under the umbrella of TOR. I am sure Brother JR can give a much more thorough explanation of all this.
This is very good. Thank you.

Is it safe to say that all religious are in the consecrated state? With regards to Franciscan third order, is it safe to say that those in the SFO are not religious and those in TOR are religious? Is my understanding correct?

Even though Brother Jay has explained it before, I think there is a fundamental lack of understanding about these things which for me makes the original post on this thread nearly incomprehensible. Your post helps me tremendously.

-Tim-
 
This is very good. Thank you.

Is it safe to say that all religious are in the consecrated state? With regards to Franciscan third order, is it safe to say that those in the SFO are not religious and those in TOR are religious? Is my understanding correct?

-Tim-
The former SFO, which is the OFS is secular. Order of Franciscans Secular. All other Franciscans are regular or consecrated religious.

However, we are equally Franciscans.

The same is true of Dominicans.

They use the term “Lay Dominican”. The term does not really describe their order well, because they do have deacons, priests and bishops. They are really secular Dominicans, not lay.

The Carmelites use the term secular. You’ll see the letters OCDS after their name. Order of Carmelites Discalced Secular. I don’t know if there is an O’Carm secular. I imagine there may be.

With the Franciscans you have a rather interesting phenomenon. There are many religious communities that are part of the Franciscan family but are not part of the Third Order, such as my own: FFV, the Franciscans of the Immaculate (FI), Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word (MFVA), Franciscan Friars of the Renewal (CFR), Franciscan Brothers of Peace (FBP), Franciscan Brothers of the Eucharist (FBE), Franciscans of the Primitive Observance (FPO), Franciscans of the Holy Family (FFSSF) and Little Brothers of St Francis. These communities are offshoot or daughter communities of the First Order.

This means that we were founded by a member or members of the First Order and we continue to follow the rule of the first order. We have Franciscan succession through one of the branches of one of the Friars Minor not the Secular Franciscan or the Third Order Regular Friars.

It should also be noted that Canon Law does not allow one to be a member of two orders at the same time.

You can be a member of one order and an associate of another community. For example, you can be a lay Dominican and an associate of my community, Fratres Franciscani Vitae (Franciscan Brothers of LIfe). An associate is one who shares in our spirit, but is not bound to our way of life.

To go back to the OP

The tradition of the Church, which dates back to the Middle Ages, tells us that those who are professed members of one of the secular orders of mendicants are equal to those who are professed members to one of the religious order of mendicants. The fact that they are married, single, diocesan clergy does not make them less Franciscan, Dominican, Carmelite, than any friar, nun or sister.

It is **incorrect and disrespectful **to refer to them as

**“Just a third order” **member. They are [insert order] and have the same sacred place as I do in the life of the Church. They’re not just . . .
 
The Carmelites use the term secular. You’ll see the letters OCDS after their name. Order of Carmelites Discalced Secular. I don’t know if there is an O’Carm secular. I imagine there may be.
The Order of Carmelites of the Ancient Observance (O. Carm) does indeed have a third order, sometimes referred to as the TOC (Third Order Carmelites); sometimes as the Lay Carmelites, and sometimes as the Third Order Carmelites (Secular) - so that covers all the bases, I guess. 🙂

Anyone who is interested can see more information at: carmelite.org/index.php?nuc=content&id=8
 
The Order of Carmelites of the Ancient Observance (O. Carm) does indeed have a third order, sometimes referred to as the TOC (Third Order Carmelites); sometimes as the Lay Carmelites, and sometimes as the Third Order Carmelites (Secular) - so that covers all the bases, I guess. 🙂

Anyone who is interested can see more information at: carmelite.org/index.php?nuc=content&id=8
Mystery solved. I would not have made the connection between TOC and O’Carm. Thanks for sharing this.
 
So am I correct in saying

A secular Franciscan = a layperson in the Franciscan Order
A Third Order Franciscan = a person, can be layperson OR a priest/cleric that is not also a friar, but nevertheless in the Franciscan Order
All seculars are Third Order but not all Third Order are seculars
Second Orders are nuns
First Orders are friars, but they can be lay brothers (i.e. friars but NOT also a deacon/priest), or they can be ordained friars (friars that are ALSO deacon/priest)

Or is that backwards?
 
So am I correct in saying

A secular Franciscan = a layperson in the Franciscan Order
A secular Franciscan can be a layman or a cleric (deacon, priest or bishop)

Remember, clergy are not consecrated men, unless they belong to a religious order.
A Third Order Franciscan = a person, can be layperson OR a priest/cleric that is not also a friar, but nevertheless in the Franciscan Order
A Third Order Franciscan can be a friar, sister, secular clergyman or a secular layman.

A Friar can be a deacon, priest or bishop, but it’s not required. However, a friar is always a consecrated religious.

A Third Order Sister is never a nun. She is an active religious such as the Dominican Sisters of Mary, Franciscan Sisters of St. Francis, Carmelite Sisters
All seculars are Third Order but not all Third Order are seculars
Correct
Second Orders are nuns
Yes. They make solemn vows and are cloistered.
First Orders are friars, but they can be lay brothers (i.e. friars but NOT also a deacon/priest), or they can be ordained friars (friars that are ALSO deacon/priest)
Or is that backwards?
There are very few lay brothers left. Most friars are priest, religious brothers and some lay brothers.

The difference between a religious brother and a lay brother is that a lay brother is a servant in the community. A religious brother is equal to the priests and engages in the same ministry and life of prayer as the priests, except the sacraments. Other than that, he has the same rights and duties as friars who are priests.

Lay brothers have less rights. Their duties are domestic. Their life of prayer is reduced so that they can take care of the material side of the religious house.

As I said above, there are very few lay brothers left. The Holy See discourages the use of lay brothers among the mendicants, because Benedict, who is the father of religious life in the Latin Church, was not a priest. He was a religious brother. Francis of Assisi was also a religious brother. Brother Beto the first prior of the Carmelites was also a religious brother. The tradition of the Mendicants closely follows that of Benedict, but without the cloister and stability.
 
If both Third Orders and seculars can be either a priest/cleric or a layperson, then I’m still not quite sure what the difference is…?
 
Within the mendicant families, each community lives the same rule as the rest, but the constitutions are different. The constitutions address what is not addressed in the rule.

For example, in my community, you find this in the constitutions, because we follow the ancient rule of 1221.

1 Let the street be your cloister

2 The sick room be your chapel where you watch with Jesus crucified,
  1. Poverty, hunger and the cold will be your habit
4 Service to the poorest of the poor will be your greatest honor and blessing,
  1. Community life will be your school in charity and Christian maturity,
  2. Books will be your penance
  3. The confessional will be your parlor where you dialogue with your beloved,
  4. And the Eucharist will be your reward for your loyalty to the Beloved who lives among the poorest of the poor,
As we are savoring the way of the cross we discover God’s will for us. The way of the cross is not found in the pages of a book. Books teach us how to do things, but only experience teaches us what to do in order to love as Jesus loved us from the cross. Theories are a beginning, but the reality is in the muddy Via Dolorosa.
 
So are the Knights of the Holy Eucharist that Mother Angelica started in 1998 a community (if that’s the right word) of lay brothers, then?

www.knightsoftheholyeucharist.com

I was not aware that they even existed until today, when I read that Cardinal Burke is coming to consecrate/bless/something their John Paul II Eucharistic Center later today.

I also was not aware that there was another “flavor” of Franciscans present in the EWTN/Hanceville “Catholic complex” besides the friars who do the EWTN Mass and the nuns. The EWTN/Hanceville thing might be a really good example to illustrate the concepts in this thread, Brother.
 
The Knights of the Holy Eucharist are a lay institute. They are properly lay brothers. But they are not part of the laity. They are consecrated men, simply not religious brothers. They are as Franciscan as Mother Angelica, St. Clare of Assisi and I am. They are not beneath us in any way. Their vocation is the same as mine, to live the Gospel according to the Rule of St. Francis. What makes them different is the nature of their vows and the nature of their apostolate, not their way of life.

Here is a very good article by a Dominican Friar who writes about non–ordained brothers in the mendicant communities.

. . . religious brotherhood in the Church

The Franciscans are not the only ones struggling to correct a misconception. So are the Dominicans and Carmelites.
 
Actually, imho, I think the Dominican ordained-vs-non-ordained thing is much easier to understand than the situation in the Franciscan Order.
 
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