Security in Baghdad deteriorating by the hour, unclear who's in charge

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Geldain:
This is why I remain very proud Saddam has been removed from power.
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Good for you.
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Geldain:
I’m also grateful those who wish he had never been removed have brought themselves out into the light where their preferences have been made known for the world to see.
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There are tyrants in North Korea, Burma, China, Uzbekistan, Kryzygistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Sudan, Cuba, Venezuela, and about 30 countries in sub-Saharan Africa that also need to be removed. Rather than disparage the motives of those who opposed the Iraq war, why don’t you devote your considerable zeal for eliminating tyrants to urging the United States to exercise its God-given duty to rid the world of these guys?
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Geldain:
I do find it odd the US gets the blame for the actions of terrorists. Some even seem happy when the terrorists kill more innocents. I wonder why that is? How can anyone be angry or sad that a tyrant has been removed from power and yet seem almost gleeful when terrorists strike?
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How about an example from these forums to support what, in my uninformed opinion, seems a ridiculous claim?
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Geldain:
From where I sit, in the safty of the US, in my comfy chair, this is what is happening on the ground in Iraq and on the internet, and even in these very forums;)
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What happens in these forums has nothing to do with events on the ground in Iraq.
 
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gnjsdad:
There are tyrants in North Korea, Burma, China, Uzbekistan, Kryzygistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Sudan, Cuba, Venezuela, and about 30 countries in sub-Saharan Africa that also need to be removed. Rather than disparage the motives of those who opposed the Iraq war, why don’t you devote your considerable zeal for eliminating tyrants to urging the United States to exercise its God-given duty to rid the world of these guys?
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I would submit A) some of those who’d prefer Saddam not have been removed care no more about the people in those nations you mentioned than they do the Iraqis and B) you have no way of knowing how I else I exercise my ‘zeal’. To presume to know is a violation of the forum guidelines. C) I’ve not suggested in any fashion the US has a “God given duty” to rid the world of anyone.

I am also happy to support the US or NATO or another coalition of freedom loving nations in any or all present or future efforts to remove the tyrants in the nations you mentioned should such efforts be made public.
How about an example from these forums to support what, in my uninformed opinion, seems a ridiculous claim?
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To do so specifically would require me to violate the forum guidelines. I’m not going to do that no matter how sweet the bait;)
What happens in these forums has nothing to do with events on the ground in Iraq.
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True. What happens on the ground in Iraq has an effect on what happens in these forums.
 
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koda:
This seems to be a oft repeated tactic used by folks who don’t want to address the issue because it makes their side look bad - they shift the focus to sources.
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Sources are a legitimate focus for discussion. If you don’t have any sources, you don’t have a point. I would recommend that you refer to a website on logic but I have already referred you and several others to such a website numerous times before.
 
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Geldain:
To do so specifically would require me to violate the forum guidelines. I’m not going to do that no matter how sweet the bait
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No it wouldn’t. It would be easy to remember any posts that sounded “gleeful” when terrorists strike – assuming there were any, which you certainly implied.
 
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gnjsdad:
No it wouldn’t.
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Actually it would. To do so would open me up to the “personal attack” charge and I’m not going there.

Btw, anyone know how the "situation"in Iraq has “deteriorated by the hour” today? Body counts are not a sign of deteriortation, btw;)
 
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Geldain:
Btw, anyone know how the "situation"in Iraq has “deteriorated by the hour” today? Body counts are not a sign of deteriortation, btw;)
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Anything you say. Just a small snippet of news items…

Gunmen Kidnap 16 in Iraqhttp://antiwar.com/blkbullet1.GIFBodies of 12 Torture Victims Found in Baghdadhttp://antiwar.com/blkbullet1.GIFSeven Dead in Baghdad Rocket Attackhttp://antiwar.com/blkbullet1.GIFIraq Government Calls for Protection of Civilians After Two Days of Attackshttp://antiwar.com/blkbullet1.GIFDevelopments in Iraq March 28http://antiwar.com/blkbullet1.GIFDevelopments in Iraq March 27

And a couple of other news items…

Bush’s ‘Success Story’ Town Struck by Suicide Bombinghttp://antiwar.com/blkbullet1.GIFAt Least 35 Abducted in Baghdad in 2 Dayshttp://antiwar.com/blkbullet1.GIF69 Iraqis Die as Baghdad Governor Ends US Cooperation
 
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gnjsdad:
Anything you say. Just a small snippet of news items…
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And my earlier point is proven again;)

Here’s some good news those who appear to only focus on body counts might have missed.

I didn’t know this, till I took the time to look;)

A portion of the report:
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" By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, March 28, 2006 – Millions of Shiite Muslims from around the Middle East recently were able to make a pilgrimage to the Iraqi holy cities of Karbala and Najaf with few security problems. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said today that this shows a lot about the capabilities of Iraqi security forces.

At a Pentagon news conference, Rumsfeld and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Marine Gen. Peter Pace also spoke about an operation in Baghdad that freed a hostage, confiscated arms and shut down an improvised-explosive-device factory.*

But but but…I thought things were deteriorating by the hour?
 
My husband is in Baghdad right now and he’s given me snippets of the real reports (trust me, it’s only on situations which have already broken in the MSM, nothing confidential- he’s not stupid) and I just have to laugh. If I want to know what’s really happening in Iraq, I’ll just wait till I can talk to DH and get the real scooby. Otherwise, the trash that floats around, like what this thread has perpetuated, is laughable at best. Yes, some of it might have a modicum of truth, but much of it is inflamed for sensationalism.

It saddens me that people would rather take the word of a reporter that is hearing second, third and even fourth story accounts of a situation because they weren’t there, versus the actual soldier that was there, in the thick of it, dealing with the situation.

BTW, I’m proud of my husband being there and doing his job (Army) and with what he tells me, Iraq wants what we are trying to help them to build. They recognize it takes time and it won’t happen over night. Even we tell ourselves that God is in control, everything is on God’s timeline, not ours. Why can’t people apply that to this situation instead of demanding from Pres. Bush a human timeline and then when he can’t give one that is to their standards, they make a mockery of him?

Just my two cents. 😃
 
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