Hi NonDenom,
DVDs? Can you point me to these perhaps? I have some folks whom I think would benefit greatly from them.
There are several options, the intro is an overview and the big package is 12 DVDs and is around $400 but is so good.
Hi Paris. St Ignatius was a disciple of St John the Apostle. So I think you are much better off reading his words rather than Brian or nondenom.****
ST IGNATIUS TO THE SMYRNAEANS
You must all follow the lead of the bishop, as Jesus Christ followed that of the Father; follow the presbytery as you would the Apostles; reverence the deacons as you would God’s commandment. Let no one do anything touching the Church, apart from the bishop. Let that celebration of the Eucharist be considered valid which is held under the bishop or anyone to whom he has committed it. Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not permitted without authorization from the bishop either to baptize or to hold an agape; but whatever he approves is also pleasing to God. Thus everything you do will be proof against danger, and valid.
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Hi I have been reading through this thread and I love it.
Again, the question here is being evaded. Please answer the question with your own view. If you cannot or do not wish to, then please say so.
Nice try, but not even close. Perhaps the closest one can get on how the Church was immediately after Jesus’ Ascension is in Acts, but that’s not even complete in itself. For that matter, no single writing has anything about what the early Church did, or how it was. Did all four Gospels have anything what the early Church did? None, of course–the Gospels were about the life and ministry of Christ. Acts is the only one to chronicle the early Church in Scripture. Corinthians had some guidelines, but not fully. So where do we get the whole picture about the early Church? Catholics know the answer–in the Early Church Fathers. You would have to read what they wrote to get a deeper understanding what the Church did. For instance, nowhere in the Bible is it found how early Christians worshipped; it was, if I am correct, in St. Justin Martyr that we get a view of it, as well as in the Didache, among others.
Acts 2:42-47
That is incredibly weak. That passage describes in general various things that early Christians did, but it does not speak about how they worshipped. When they gathered together and broke the bread, how exactly did they worship? Did they sing? Did they read the prophets? Did they have something like sermons? How long did they gather for?
(Acts 2-42) “These remained faithful to the teaching of the apostles, the brotherhood, to the breaking of bread and to the prayers.” Isn’t it sad that the Church didn’t continue to remain faithful?
Matthew 26:30 says after Jesus and the Apostles broke bread they sang a hymn. So the Fellowship of the Believers devoted themselves to the Apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship themselves. So obviously from the teaching there was singing. They praised God, and again, obviously it was communial worship, free from mans doctrine and tradition on how to worship. No more need for altars or tabernacles, no place for sorrow in Christ’s Church. I could only imagine the joy in our blessed Mother Mary’s heart by witnessing and participating in worshipping God.
Giver said:
. I am sorry your church didn’t remain faithful Giver. Come on over to the one I attend. I said prayers, gave thanks, rejoiced, and broke bread, remaining faithful to the commandment- take and eat, this is my body which will be given up for you. Take and drink, for this is my blood, the blood of the new and everlating covenant- this morning during First Friday Mass! said:I am assuming you are implying that the Catholic church engages in monotone repetious prayer in mostly quiet reverence. I guess you really have never attended Mass. It can be quite spirit filled and at times may be repititious but it certainly IS NOT babble, it is praise and thanks giving to God Almighty. You should become familiar with the book of Revelation sir/ma’am. You will find “repititious prayer before an Altar” with all the trappings of a Catholic mass. and this is taking palce in Heaven with the permission and great joy of the Father and Son looking on. The Catholic church and worship is not based on Judaic temptle worship, but rather on the New kingdom won through the glorious crucifiction, resurrection, and ascention to the right hand of the Father. The Mass is truly Heaven on earth and St. John reveals this to us in Revelations.
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Giver said:
Well if you can’t see, and can’t hear you will just blindly go one believing what you want.Yes! Yes! and Yes! I pray for you dear Giver. Yes it is the faithful Church as Our lord and savior Jesus Christ is no liar for sure and promised all of us that the gates of Hell shall never prevail against his church, his brid, his body on earth! Glory be to the Father!
I DO see and I DO hear Robert! That is why I answered the call of the Holy Spirit as he led me to the True Church of Christ! I pray for you to answer the call as well before you leave this earth! PAX. IHS.