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Mickey
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God Bless you!
May the peace and love of our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ be with you always.
SLAVA ISUSU CHRISTU
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May the peace and love of our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ be with you always.
SLAVA ISUSU CHRISTU
SLAVA I NA VIKI
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coralewisjr
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onemoresoul.com order “Contraception Why Not” for free, too
catholicity.com/maryfoundation/ all of those CDs are great
cora.dashjr.org/books/ (some chastity book recommendations there)
my Mother my Confidence,
Corinne
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carol_marie
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I hope that you are recovering from your surgery & are back on your feet soon.
I think it’s very pleasing to God that you say you’ll go wherever he leads you. That’s not being prideful - that’s being obedient. You aren’t prideful…
God Bless you,
CM
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Joy1982
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You say,* “It offends me because it offends Christ. It is blasphemy.”*
If the Eucharist is as you say, then it is absolutely essential for experiencing the fullness of Christ. From your perspective then, our Communion looks like a cheap plastic imitation, and yet in our ignorance we say it’s just as good. But even from your perspective, don’t you think Christ would see that we simply don’t understand? It might leave Him feeling sad because we don’t experience it, but as His wise and patient nature indicates, I really doubt he would be* offended* at something said out of simple ignorance.
“I usually don’t show that I am offended, but then when I try to educate them[the ignorant], sometimes they get all defensive, and keep doing it anyway because they don’t want to believe it. Then they are no longer ignorant.”
I’m not so sure they are no longer ignorant… It is hard for people to see from another person’s perspective, and because of our fallen nature we all get defensive quite easily. But there is a way to control that, depending on your particular style of “educating them”. Perhaps they just don’t believe it* yet*. It doesn’t seem very strategic to blow it by taking their beliefs and stomping on them right in front of them.
Again, this is all from your perspective. I am Protestant and from my perspective I do feel Christ fully in my life. I mean no offense - it’s just a matter of perspective.
“If the discussing of the offending situation offends you, then I am still not sorry. Whether or not it offends people, it still needs to be discussed.”
This is true, unless the tone the discussion takes on is completely undermining the entire* reason* for the discussion.
*“Martin Luther and the other deformers.”
I spent many years as an atheist who hated Christianity because of all the hypocrisy, bickering and ignorance I saw among its followers. Why would I want to follow something like that, I’d say. But God chose to use my conservative Mennonite grandfather to display a huge flaw in my reasoning. My grandfather served as a quiet example of a humble, loving and patient Christian, and because of this I was able to see what a real Christian looked like. This enabled me to develop a respect for Christianity that was not there previously, and was a major stepping stone in my conversion process. Today I don’t agree with all of the Mennonites’ practices, but I have a deep and profound respect for them as a people.
So when you say “some guy” and “other deformers” – Yes, this is offensive to a great many people. So don’t be surprised when* human nature* causes them to get defensive, causing them to reject what you’re saying, causing them to miss out on what is according to you the most important Christian experience to be had on this earth. When YOU are the one dishing out the insults, then YOU are the one contributing to the discussion going south.
I am eternally grateful that God used my grandfather, a product of “some guy” and “other deformers”, as a means to rescue me from a lifetime spent lost and apart from Him forever. And with one careless word, something I hold dear to me had the potential to be run through the mud… but I choose not to let it because I choose not to be offended.
“Personally I do my best to not offend Protestants, without Compromising the Truth. People don’t like to find out that they are wrong. Its hard to do it tactfully sometimes, especially with those that want to argue, for prideful reasons.”
I know it’s hard. I have experienced the same outrage when my beliefs and my church have come under fire by people who don’t understand them fully. But as for compromising the Truth… The Truth is love and gentleness and wisdom and understanding and forgiveness. That is what I strive to uphold.
If the Eucharist is as you say, then it is absolutely essential for experiencing the fullness of Christ. From your perspective then, our Communion looks like a cheap plastic imitation, and yet in our ignorance we say it’s just as good. But even from your perspective, don’t you think Christ would see that we simply don’t understand? It might leave Him feeling sad because we don’t experience it, but as His wise and patient nature indicates, I really doubt he would be* offended* at something said out of simple ignorance.
“I usually don’t show that I am offended, but then when I try to educate them[the ignorant], sometimes they get all defensive, and keep doing it anyway because they don’t want to believe it. Then they are no longer ignorant.”
I’m not so sure they are no longer ignorant… It is hard for people to see from another person’s perspective, and because of our fallen nature we all get defensive quite easily. But there is a way to control that, depending on your particular style of “educating them”. Perhaps they just don’t believe it* yet*. It doesn’t seem very strategic to blow it by taking their beliefs and stomping on them right in front of them.
Again, this is all from your perspective. I am Protestant and from my perspective I do feel Christ fully in my life. I mean no offense - it’s just a matter of perspective.
“If the discussing of the offending situation offends you, then I am still not sorry. Whether or not it offends people, it still needs to be discussed.”
This is true, unless the tone the discussion takes on is completely undermining the entire* reason* for the discussion.
*“Martin Luther and the other deformers.”
I spent many years as an atheist who hated Christianity because of all the hypocrisy, bickering and ignorance I saw among its followers. Why would I want to follow something like that, I’d say. But God chose to use my conservative Mennonite grandfather to display a huge flaw in my reasoning. My grandfather served as a quiet example of a humble, loving and patient Christian, and because of this I was able to see what a real Christian looked like. This enabled me to develop a respect for Christianity that was not there previously, and was a major stepping stone in my conversion process. Today I don’t agree with all of the Mennonites’ practices, but I have a deep and profound respect for them as a people.
So when you say “some guy” and “other deformers” – Yes, this is offensive to a great many people. So don’t be surprised when* human nature* causes them to get defensive, causing them to reject what you’re saying, causing them to miss out on what is according to you the most important Christian experience to be had on this earth. When YOU are the one dishing out the insults, then YOU are the one contributing to the discussion going south.
I am eternally grateful that God used my grandfather, a product of “some guy” and “other deformers”, as a means to rescue me from a lifetime spent lost and apart from Him forever. And with one careless word, something I hold dear to me had the potential to be run through the mud… but I choose not to let it because I choose not to be offended.
“Personally I do my best to not offend Protestants, without Compromising the Truth. People don’t like to find out that they are wrong. Its hard to do it tactfully sometimes, especially with those that want to argue, for prideful reasons.”
I know it’s hard. I have experienced the same outrage when my beliefs and my church have come under fire by people who don’t understand them fully. But as for compromising the Truth… The Truth is love and gentleness and wisdom and understanding and forgiveness. That is what I strive to uphold.
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Eden
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That’s beautiful!
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Joy1982
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What more can a person give? There is no greater leap of faith than to surrender your own life into God’s hands. I pray that God will bless you and use you to bring glory to the Kingdom.
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Jo_s_Dad
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My opinion of inter-denominational rivalry is simply that it’s little more than a really bad case of “Daddy loves me best”.
Every denomination of the Christian fath was formed because there are differences of opinion on the proper ways to worship God, yet they ALL worship God and after all, isnt’ that what it’s really all about?
Any parent here who has more than one child can understand this concept very clearly. When asked “Which child do you love above all others?” can the parent truely decide? or will you not love them all equally, even though they may not listen to you at times, do things that disappoint you, would you ever hesitate to comfort them when they are injured or in need of your love?
We are all, Christians, Jews and Muslims alike, the Children of the same God of Abraham, and though we may have our differences we are still his children. It dosen’t matter how you come to him, just come.
God Bless.
Every denomination of the Christian fath was formed because there are differences of opinion on the proper ways to worship God, yet they ALL worship God and after all, isnt’ that what it’s really all about?
Any parent here who has more than one child can understand this concept very clearly. When asked “Which child do you love above all others?” can the parent truely decide? or will you not love them all equally, even though they may not listen to you at times, do things that disappoint you, would you ever hesitate to comfort them when they are injured or in need of your love?
We are all, Christians, Jews and Muslims alike, the Children of the same God of Abraham, and though we may have our differences we are still his children. It dosen’t matter how you come to him, just come.
God Bless.
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TheGarg
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Jo's_Dad:
I just know that we have to be careful also, not to compromise Christ’s one Truth. Protestants bring alot of people to know about Christ, and that is a great thing. The journery to the fullness of Christ does not stop the second you choose to have Faith. Through piety, study and action in Christ, we will continue to develop our relationship with Christ and might up end up somewhere in 5 years where we never imagined ourselves ever being.
We must be on gaurd though, to defend and learn the One Truth, because poeple naturally want to throw in their own definitions. I had a Muslim try to convince me the other day, how Christ supposedly “lied” to mary mag and Mary. It is an age old lie that they still try to use to justify their postition. IF we aren’t careful about what we say, when we are professing the Truth, we can mislead someone or be mislead ourselves by someone who does not know the Truth.
Peace of the Lord be to you all!
I have apparently come off way to insensitive in my posts and for all those who were offended, I apologize. This is a very sensitive area of discussion.My opinion of inter-denominational rivalry is simply that it’s little more than a really bad case of “Daddy loves me best”.
Every denomination of the Christian fath was formed because there are differences of opinion on the proper ways to worship God, yet they ALL worship God and after all, isnt’ that what it’s really all about?
Any parent here who has more than one child can understand this concept very clearly. When asked “Which child do you love above all others?” can the parent truely decide? or will you not love them all equally, even though they may not listen to you at times, do things that disappoint you, would you ever hesitate to comfort them when they are injured or in need of your love?
We are all, Christians, Jews and Muslims alike, the Children of the same God of Abraham, and though we may have our differences we are still his children. It dosen’t matter how you come to him, just come.
God Bless.
I just know that we have to be careful also, not to compromise Christ’s one Truth. Protestants bring alot of people to know about Christ, and that is a great thing. The journery to the fullness of Christ does not stop the second you choose to have Faith. Through piety, study and action in Christ, we will continue to develop our relationship with Christ and might up end up somewhere in 5 years where we never imagined ourselves ever being.
We must be on gaurd though, to defend and learn the One Truth, because poeple naturally want to throw in their own definitions. I had a Muslim try to convince me the other day, how Christ supposedly “lied” to mary mag and Mary. It is an age old lie that they still try to use to justify their postition. IF we aren’t careful about what we say, when we are professing the Truth, we can mislead someone or be mislead ourselves by someone who does not know the Truth.
Peace of the Lord be to you all!
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Eden
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Jo's_Dad:
**“I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh . . . on my menservants and my maidservants in those days I will pour out my Spirit” (Acts 2:17-18).
“And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 4:31).
“And Stephen, full of grace and power, did great wonders and signs among the people” (Acts 6:8).
“The believers . . . who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles” (Acts 10:45).
“For [Barnabas] was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a large company was added to the Lord” (Acts 11:24).
“And hope does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit” (Rom. 5:5).
“And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit” (Eph. 5:18). **
Source: catholic.com/thisrock/1993/9310vbv.asp
The Catholic Church teaches that Protestants have some truth but not the fullness of truth. So, it isn’t a matter of “Daddy loves me best”. There is much that is missing from the Protestant faiths. Most Protestants do not accept the idea that God infuses us with grace. Instead they believe that he imputes favor to us. Grace is a beautiful, biblical truth:My opinion of inter-denominational rivalry is simply that it’s little more than a really bad case of “Daddy loves me best”.
Every denomination of the Christian fath was formed because there are differences of opinion on the proper ways to worship God, yet they ALL worship God and after all, isnt’ that what it’s really all about?
Any parent here who has more than one child can understand this concept very clearly. When asked “Which child do you love above all others?” can the parent truely decide? or will you not love them all equally, even though they may not listen to you at times, do things that disappoint you, would you ever hesitate to comfort them when they are injured or in need of your love?
We are all, Christians, Jews and Muslims alike, the Children of the same God of Abraham, and though we may have our differences we are still his children. It dosen’t matter how you come to him, just come.
God Bless.
**“I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh . . . on my menservants and my maidservants in those days I will pour out my Spirit” (Acts 2:17-18).
“And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 4:31).
“And Stephen, full of grace and power, did great wonders and signs among the people” (Acts 6:8).
“The believers . . . who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles” (Acts 10:45).
“For [Barnabas] was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a large company was added to the Lord” (Acts 11:24).
“And hope does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit” (Rom. 5:5).
“And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit” (Eph. 5:18). **
Source: catholic.com/thisrock/1993/9310vbv.asp
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