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GKMotley
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Just a question. Were Anglicans mentioned in the thread? I just skimmed it.
Not specifically, that I recall.Just a question. Were Anglicans mentioned in the thread? I just skimmed it.
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GKMotley
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Thank you. I’ll ignore it, then. As you know, there are Anglicans who do all sorts of things, some more than others.
Including the designation “Protestant “.Thank you. I’ll ignore it, then. As you know, there are Anglicans who do all sorts of things, some more than others.
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GKMotley
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I had actually written that, and deleted it.
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CourtingTex
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If you truly repented, you should receive confirmation in your heart of his acceptance.
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Billy_Buescher
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In my conversation with some Evangelical 's I have discussed their belief on “once saved all ways saved” believers, Most think that when they were saved, all sins past, present and future sins are forgiven.
As a Catholic, they believe that we Catholics work our way into heaven, saved by works.
That being said, to me, then if they confess sins, that is a work that they do to keep their salvation, just the opposite of their doctrine of there is nothing a person can do to be saved., and all sins were not forgiven when they made and alter call and accepted Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, opposite of once save all ways saved.
As a Catholic, they believe that we Catholics work our way into heaven, saved by works.
That being said, to me, then if they confess sins, that is a work that they do to keep their salvation, just the opposite of their doctrine of there is nothing a person can do to be saved., and all sins were not forgiven when they made and alter call and accepted Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, opposite of once save all ways saved.
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lanman87
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Those that hold to OSAS or Security of the Believer believe that sins after conversion, while they don’t destroy our status of adopted sons (and daughters) of God and therefore do not condemn us, nevertheless hold that sins harm our relationship with God in the same manner that a child disobeying a parent harms his relationship with his parents. Basically our sins break our Heavenly Fathers heart in the same why our sins against our parents break their hearts.
So that while sins are already forgiven from a salvation perspective they still need to be avoided and when sin occurs needs to be confessed and repented of in order to have enjoy the full benefits of sonship, to avoid discipline, and to access to the blessings and rewards God give to those who seek righteousness.
So that while sins are already forgiven from a salvation perspective they still need to be avoided and when sin occurs needs to be confessed and repented of in order to have enjoy the full benefits of sonship, to avoid discipline, and to access to the blessings and rewards God give to those who seek righteousness.
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annad347
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Thank you @ZemD for starting this thread…this is a topic I’ve always been interested in but never asked.
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talo63
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That is something between God and human. Everyone knows self intents and God knows everything. We cannot know one’s intent actualy but only God. That is not a written criteria.But how do you find out if you met God’s criteria for sincerity?
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Raxus
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Better hope it’s “confirmation” and not just gas or heartburn!If you truly repented, you should receive confirmation in your heart of his acceptance.
. I’ll take actual words of forgiveness from a priest who has the authority to forgive in the name of Jesus any day, any time. Hearing it and knowing why the priests have the authority that they do, I know with certainly that I am forgiven in Confession.
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CourtingTex
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So, confirmation for the Holy Ghost of repentance is meaningless? WRONG!!! I will take the confirmation of the Holy Ghost, every time, period.
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CaptainPrudeman
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How do you know it is the Spirit and not something else, like a physical or mental buzz or a demon trying to trick you?So, confirmation for the Holy Ghost of repentance is meaningless? WRONG!!! I will take the confirmation of the Holy Ghost, every time, period.
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annad347
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But it’s not the priest doing the forgivning, forgiveness still comes from God.Hearing it and knowing why the priests have the authority that they do, I know with certainly that I am forgiven in Confession.
What my own current denomination would answer to this is that sins are forgiven through the minister, in the absolution that concludes the penitential rite at the beginning of the liturgy.Hearing it and knowing why the priests have the authority that they do, I know with certainly that I am forgiven in Confession.
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brianjmc1
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On a side note to this discussion, going to confession(for me) is a blessing and a burden, lol…
Waiting on line to go talk to the priest, I get really nervous, what will the priest think of me, can he recognize my voice and know who I am, will I remember and tell the priest everything?
Going into the confessional is even more nerve racking. Then you start and as the priest listens, comments, and explains why we should avoid these things, and how to avoid these sins, a HUGE weight is taken off my shoulders. I have never experienced a priest that was judgemental or condescending, just compassionate and understanding. Finally when the priest gives absolution, there is a peace in my heart that I cant really define in words. In a weird comparison, its like getting your teeth cleaned and when you leave dentist, you have the mindset that, I’m going to floss 10 times a day and keep my teeth perfect, but on a MUCH, MUCH bigger scale, lol
Having to confess to the priest(or to anyone for that matter) is a very humbling experience. I feel pity for brothers and sisters, that don’t have confession to go to, I really do…
Just MY personal experience and not attacking any non-Catholic Brothers and sisters…
Peace to All!!!
Waiting on line to go talk to the priest, I get really nervous, what will the priest think of me, can he recognize my voice and know who I am, will I remember and tell the priest everything?
Going into the confessional is even more nerve racking. Then you start and as the priest listens, comments, and explains why we should avoid these things, and how to avoid these sins, a HUGE weight is taken off my shoulders. I have never experienced a priest that was judgemental or condescending, just compassionate and understanding. Finally when the priest gives absolution, there is a peace in my heart that I cant really define in words. In a weird comparison, its like getting your teeth cleaned and when you leave dentist, you have the mindset that, I’m going to floss 10 times a day and keep my teeth perfect, but on a MUCH, MUCH bigger scale, lol
Having to confess to the priest(or to anyone for that matter) is a very humbling experience. I feel pity for brothers and sisters, that don’t have confession to go to, I really do…
Just MY personal experience and not attacking any non-Catholic Brothers and sisters…
Peace to All!!!
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Raxus
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In turn, I would ask “What gives your minister the authority to do that?”What my own current denomination would answer to this is that sins are forgiven through the minister, in the absolution that concludes the penitential rite at the beginning of the liturgy.
Well, that takes us a bit away from the original question (“What do other Christian denominations believe about seeking forgiveness of our sins FROM God, not from other people”).
But what my denomination would say would be: the minister’s authority, including their authority to absolve sin and celebrate the sacraments, comes from their consecration to ministry, effected by the laying of hands by the Synod’s president “according to the tradition of the Apsotles” (the actual formulation) in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
To sum up grossly what Calvin said about apostolic succession, and which still defines the way my denomination understands it, the succession of persons in the ministry does matter, in a kind of spiritual parenthood. But he thought that the history of the Church showed that that literal succession wasn’t enough to preserve the truth of the deposit of faith, and that the ultimate criterion was faithfulness to the Gospel.
But what my denomination would say would be: the minister’s authority, including their authority to absolve sin and celebrate the sacraments, comes from their consecration to ministry, effected by the laying of hands by the Synod’s president “according to the tradition of the Apsotles” (the actual formulation) in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
To sum up grossly what Calvin said about apostolic succession, and which still defines the way my denomination understands it, the succession of persons in the ministry does matter, in a kind of spiritual parenthood. But he thought that the history of the Church showed that that literal succession wasn’t enough to preserve the truth of the deposit of faith, and that the ultimate criterion was faithfulness to the Gospel.
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Raxus
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Fair enough.Well, that takes us a bit away from the original question (“What do other Christian denominations believe about seeking forgiveness of our sins FROM God, not from other people”).
With so many denominations reading different things out of the Bible in so many different ways, Calvin’s take on the matter ultimately doesn’t seem to mean much.But he thought that the history of the Church showed that that literal succession wasn’t enough to preserve the truth of the deposit of faith, and that the ultimate criterion was faithfulness to the Gospel.
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