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mcq72
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I was not speaking of the canon, but of the gospel, and of adding to it or detracting from deposit of faith that was first oral then written.
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Julius_Caesar
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And who does God speak through?
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Julius_Caesar
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So no measures would be taken to avoid sin.
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stpurl
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We are not ‘adding to the gospel’. You do understand, do you not, that the whole “Holy Spirit who will lead you to all truth’ was all about taking the oral, then written, traditions and explaining them further, right?
Furthermore, most Protestants do not accept John 6 as literal regarding the Eucharist being Christ’s Bread and Body, despite the fact that He actually says those words. So, ahem, it appears as though people felt that the Spirit directed them to understand (despite 1500 years’ worth of teaching otherwise) to ‘interpret the words as only figurative’.
It appears you’re perfectly fine with allowing the Spirit to ‘interpret’ even when it ‘interprets’ that words in Scripture don’t mean what they say. . .
But somehow we Catholics are not permitted to allow the Spirit to interpret words in the Bible to mean what they say and how that translates into actions by priests and people?
Furthermore, most Protestants do not accept John 6 as literal regarding the Eucharist being Christ’s Bread and Body, despite the fact that He actually says those words. So, ahem, it appears as though people felt that the Spirit directed them to understand (despite 1500 years’ worth of teaching otherwise) to ‘interpret the words as only figurative’.
It appears you’re perfectly fine with allowing the Spirit to ‘interpret’ even when it ‘interprets’ that words in Scripture don’t mean what they say. . .
But somehow we Catholics are not permitted to allow the Spirit to interpret words in the Bible to mean what they say and how that translates into actions by priests and people?
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annad347
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Not necessarily… it could also mean the Holy Spirit will lead you to an understand of what God needs you to know like He did with Peter. No body had to explain to Peter that Jesus was the way… God specifically made that piece of knowledge known to Peter directly…no explanation needed…
Remember: Mathew 16:16-17
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven.
The Holy Spirit can lead us to people to help us with understanding, but He can also make understanding known to us directly from God… like when you just get it.
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stpurl
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Does the Holy Spirit teach against Himself? Does he guide you to an understanding that, say, the bread and wine of the Eucharist are symbolic while guiding ME to an understanding that they are literal?
Nope, and by whose authority do you even determine that your assertion is actually true?
Nope, and by whose authority do you even determine that your assertion is actually true?
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annad347
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The Holy Spirit guides you know the importance of the Eucharist. To understand its meaning. To grow in the desire to participate and be welcomed to the Lord’s supper. Jesus is the one who said both…and man who choose to hear what part of Jesus said to listen too.
Do you need the scripture where Jesus said both?
God… I’m just repeating His words…through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
I didn’t assert anything I just read what was written.
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mcq72
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No the CC is totally free to do so, and has done so.
And we are not detracting.
Twas not the only understanding for 1500 years. The victorious understanding gets to tell the story in the CC. I find it a bit unhistorical and for some disingenuous.
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mcq72
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It is not either or…strawman…i posted the explicit ways the bible mentions sin forgiveness…avoidance is something els but still covered explicitly in James 5
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Julius_Caesar
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mcq72
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He will lead perfectly. The perfect following is conditional.
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mcq72
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Yes, using the same tools (though differently on the capital T of tradition), on the same deposit of faith that you have.
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Julius_Caesar
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mcq72
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Yes, the sad but necesary usage of the word. Yet some think you (Church) wins by invalidating or some churches invalidate way more than others, even up to who can validly bless a rosary. Where will it end?
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Julius_Caesar
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God invalidates through His Church. I’m just telling you.
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mcq72
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And just how is God proprietary with His prophets, and apostles and teachers and ambassadors that He speaks through?
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annad347
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When Jesus returns and say, “How many times do I have to explain to you…”?
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mcq72
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Yes, I amended my post…never meant you personally.
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mcq72
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Lol…as long as He doesn’t say ," I never knew you…".When Jesus returns and say, “How many times must do I have to explain to you…”?
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mcq72
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I am not speaking of sacraments for graced holy living. We were talking about just what is the gospel in terms of truncating or adding to etc. In determining such truths we (our respective churches/ communities) have the same tools to " work on" same original deposit of faith.
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