Seeking forgiveness of sin from God

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Julius_Caesar said:
We don’t even have the same Scripture.
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I said we use some of tools differently in another post to cover that. We most certainly have said OT time books at our disposal . We use them but not as God breathed. Besides, not sure if they relate to the adding or detracting to the gospel we accuse churches/ communities of doing (which was our initial context).

We invalidate a few more Septuagint books than you do. ( again not me or you but respective churches/ communities).
 
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Julius_Caesar said:
So they’re not tools.
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Is there not a difference between the inspired Rome’s letter to the Corinthians and the God breathed Matthew or Mark etc.?

Can’t all spiritual, historical Jewish or Christian related writings be “tools” to help our understanding?
 
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I know you guys have gone slightly off topic… but can someone please answer this real quick… simple yes or no.

If you sin against someone. Confess to the person, you sinned against. They forgive you. Do do you still have to confess your sin to a Catholic priest?
 
annad347 said:
Do do you still have to confess your sin to a Catholic priest?
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Yes. Sins are not just against other people but against God too. Apologies to one party does not heal your relationship with the other parties.
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
Yes. Sins are not just against other people but against God too. Apologies to one party does not heal your relationship with the other parties.
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I mean the same sin, not a different one.

If I rob a man, beg his forgivness even give back what I took. He forgives me, we even pray together. Give thanks to God for giving me the strength to ask for forgiveness and the man’s ability to forgive me. We thank Him for His mercy and grace… I still have to confess the same sin to a priest? Isn’t everyone involved in the sin been addressed including God?
 
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annad347 said:
Isn’t everyone involved in the sin been addressed including God?
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No. Apologizing to the man does not apologize to God, the same way robbing 2 people at once and apologizing to one does not reconcile you to the other.
 
And your robbery of one man also is an action against God. Two people.
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
That doesn’t mean you sought to atone for your sins.
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Atoning was sought both from God and the victim, via reparations of repayment to victim from offender, and application of Calvary reparation to God in offenders behalf. Of course you are right in that this must be sought out of Godly remorse for their sin. Otherwise perhaps you seek penance, something self imposed to add to the blood of Christ, which to some is problematic in necessity.
 
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Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
That doesn’t mean you sought to atone for your sins.
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To atone means to make amends or reparation, as for an offense or a crime, or for an offender (usually followed by for): to atone for one’s sins. To make up, as for errors or deficiencies (usually followed by for):

I confessed to the person I robbed, I paid or gave back what I took. He forgave me. Together we prayed to God. Let’s say I even went a step further, not because anyone asked me too, but God led me to volunteered my time to a youth group. Talking about the errors of being a thief, and speaking of God’s mercy and grace.

I would still need to confess to a priest?

The point of my questions is… confessing to a priest is more than just hearing someone say you are forgiven, there’s more to it then just hearing the words, ‘You’re forgiven’? I’m trying to figure out what it the “more” is…
 
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annad347 said:
The point of my questions is… confessing to a priest is more than just hearing someone say you are forgiven, there’s more to it then just hearing the words, ‘You’re forgiven’? I’m trying to figure out what it the “more” is…
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‘The more’ is that the someone telling you that you are forgiven is Christ himself. The preist doesn’t forgive you, Christ does, the preist just stands “in person” for him.

When ever you sin, you offend God. When you go to confession you acknowledge your sins to Christ and ask for forgiveness from him. Apologizing to a person you harmed and then praying together isn’t sufficient. Jesus gave the apostles the power to forgive sins, if we could just pray with any person to be forgiven by God why would he have bothered to only tell the apostles they could forgive sins and not just tell that to everyone?

Also, no Jewish person has answered my question so far. Do Jewish people not believe in sin or needing forgiveness from God for sin?
 
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ZemD said:
‘The more’ is that the someone telling you that you are forgiven is Christ himself. The preist doesn’t forgive you, Christy does, the priest just stands “in person” for him.
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Exactly… it’s God who is forgiving you. You’re just hearing the priest saying you’re forgiven.

Hearing the person you sinned against directly, the person you specifically harmed saying you’re forgive isn’t that also God saying you are forgiven?

They are both a person saying you’re forgiven… what’s the difference?
 
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@annad347 I posted too early, I added more to my reply above.
 
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mcq72 said:
Otherwise perhaps you seek penance, something self imposed to add to the blood of Christ, which to some is problematic in necessity
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So you shouldn’t make restitution. Right. Zacchaeus is in hell.
 
The difference is the priest acts in person of Christ. Anyone who is not an ordained catholic priest can not do that.
 
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