Seeking the True Church

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What’s the point of you participating in this open discussion if you won’t back up general statements with specifics? I’m quite sure you would want specifics from a Catholic if you were trying to understand their point of view. At least provide links to LDS sources which will give specifics we are looking for.
My direct answer is it my choice to respond or not ---- I am willing privately here on the forums, if someone has to know. I am not going to reply here where anyone can read.

Lastly, the arrogant Catholics I know continue to guilt me in returning to Catholicism because in their view, the Catholic church exists — how dare I or for that matter anyone else come to the truth elsewhere other than the Catholic church.
 
What’s the point of you participating in this open discussion if you won’t back up general statements with specifics? I’m quite sure you would want specifics from a Catholic if you were trying to understand their point of view. At least provide links to LDS sources which will give specifics we are looking for.
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As with many n-Cs, I have found Mormon apologetics pretty sadly lacking.

CT doesn’t really seem to want to make any kind of case for what he believes, which makes me wonder why he converted to Mormonism if he can’t make the same kind of case for conversion that he succumbed to.

I reverted to the Catholic faith because I found the explanations and defenses of the faith more Biblically accurate and rationally viable than anything else I have ever encountered. I can and when given the chance, do indeed explain and defend church teachings pretty concisely.

If one’s faith cannot supply such capacity then I have to question whether said faith (no matter what it calls itself) is anything much more than a mythology without concrete proofs. 🤷
 
My direct answer is it my choice to respond or not ---- I am willing privately here on the forums, if someone has to know. I am not going to reply here where anyone can read.
Why, what are you afraid of? We don’t bite though we do test all things and only hold fast to that which is good. See 1st Thessalonians 5:21
Lastly, the arrogant Catholics I know continue to guilt me in returning to Catholicism because in their view, the Catholic church exists — how dare I or for that matter anyone else come to the truth elsewhere other than the Catholic church.
I would suggest that it is not arrogance at all but honest skepticism (especially on my part). If Mormonism is all its adherents assert it to be (i.e. the truth) then there should be ample verifiable evidence to support such assertions and if there isn’t then I would suggest that those adherents need to carefully study to show themselves approved unto God …rightly dividing the word of truth and discern whether that community is where they really belong. 🤷

Just because you abandoned the Catholic faith and now claim Mormonism as the truth does not make it so. You could very well be wrong, misled, or even deceived by well meaning people with Bibles and other “sacred texts”. If you haven’t thought that through that is not the fault of the Catholic Church or we Catholics here seeking to dialog with you. I, for one, am not at all interested in private encounters with you about Mormonism. After all…you chose to join us here on a Catholic forum, but we did not come seeking truth among you Mormons.
 
As with many n-Cs, I have found Mormon apologetics pretty sadly lacking.

CT doesn’t really seem to want to make any kind of case for what he believes, which makes me wonder why he converted to Mormonism if he can’t make the same kind of case for conversion that he succumbed to.

I reverted to the Catholic faith because I found the explanations and defenses of the faith more Biblically accurate and rationally viable than anything else I have ever encountered. I can and when given the chance, do indeed explain and defend church teachings pretty concisely.

If one’s faith cannot supply such capacity then I have to question whether said faith (no matter what it calls itself) is anything much more than a mythology without concrete proofs. 🤷
To answer, I am not obligated to explain why I left Catholicism for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. (EXCEPTION — for those sincerely interested in specifics — you are welcome to private message me and I will answer free of the assault that my answers will receive on the forums for any critic to attack me go on down the usual road of why in their thinking my church is not what it proclaims to the world). I am on the forums to give my personal viewpoint regarding the threads that I choose to reply to ----- there a number that are posted that I do not reply mainly due to no interest.

The Holy Ghost confirmed to me the truth of my faith so that is all that matters, recognizing the ongoing assault that I receive, which I lose no sleep over or take any offense. The critics of my church go back to the origin of the church and obviously still exist today.,
 
**To answer, I am not obligated to explain why I left Catholicism for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. **(EXCEPTION — for those sincerely interested in specifics — you are welcome to private message me and I will answer free of the assault that my answers will receive on the forums for any critic to attack me go on down the usual road of why in their thinking my church is not what it proclaims to the world). I am on the forums to give my personal viewpoint regarding the threads that I choose to reply to ----- there a number that are posted that I do not reply mainly due to no interest.

The Holy Ghost confirmed to me the truth of my faith so that is all that matters, recognizing the ongoing assault that I receive, which I lose no sleep over or take any offense. The critics of my church go back to the origin of the church and obviously still exist today.,
Surely, you don’t need to offer an explanation to us all for why you left the CC if you don’t want to, but as for me, I am sincerely interested in why you did. I guess I could PM you about it, but I would hope that you would reconsider and post the reason here on the forum, because it would be relevant to the discussion. You have just as much right to question our specific Catholic beliefs, but I understand your hesitancy to do so, because you are a Mormon on a Catholic forum. There are some here on CAF (not necessarily on this thread) that seem to welcome the opportunity to continually bash non-Catholics faith beliefs, without offering any constructive posts, but I’m sure you would agree that those individuals are in the extreme minority.
 
Why, what are you afraid of? We don’t bite though we do test all things and only hold fast to that which is good. See 1st Thessalonians 5:21I would suggest that it is not arrogance at all but honest skepticism (especially on my part). If Mormonism is all its adherents assert it to be (i.e. the truth) then there should be ample verifiable evidence to support such assertions and if there isn’t then I would suggest that those adherents need to carefully study to show themselves approved unto God …rightly dividing the word of truth and discern whether that community is where they really belong. 🤷

Just because you abandoned the Catholic faith and now claim Mormonism as the truth does not make it so. You could very well be wrong, misled, or even deceived by well meaning people with Bibles and other “sacred texts”. If you haven’t thought that through that is not the fault of the Catholic Church or we Catholics here seeking to dialog with you. I, for one, am not at all interested in private encounters with you about Mormonism. After all…you chose to join us here on a Catholic forum, but we did not come seeking truth among you Mormons.
So, since you push this notation of me answering questions about my church. Willing to so, understanding that I am giving my viewpoint. If that is not good enough, go lds.org or mormon.org for answers or talk to missionaries ---- I have said this before.

I do not fault the Catholic church for why I left it ----- as I have said I wanted years ago to come to the truth differently which over time led me to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Further, your statement I say that “Mormonism as the truth” ---- if it such for me, who are you to question that? You can question the church ---- questioning me is a waste of time and accomplishes what?

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So, the true church is therefore somewhat undefined, consisting invisibly of whoever is saved. Of course we also seem to have different gospels preached, resulting in different collections of believers, and hence different collections of “saved.” And so, different true churches as well.
Romans 10: 8, 9 & 10
  1. The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9. That IF thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
One gospel, one confession. Aren’t all other dividing factors determined by man?
 
Surely, you don’t need to offer an explanation to us all for why you left the CC if you don’t want to, but as for me, I am sincerely interested in why you did. I guess I could PM you about it, but I would hope that you would reconsider and post the reason here on the forum, because it would be relevant to the discussion. You have just as much right to question our specific Catholic beliefs, but I understand your hesitancy to do so, because you are a Mormon on a Catholic forum. There are some here on CAF (not necessarily on this thread) that seem to welcome the opportunity to continually bash non-Catholics faith beliefs, without offering any constructive posts, but I’m sure you would agree that those individuals are in the extreme minority.
I agree totally. I am here to figure out another person’s motives, nonetheless it obvious that have a issue with my church.

My basic reason for leaving Catholicism was based on my study of the scriptures and how the church organized would function with characteristics relative to that function.
 
I agree totally. I am here to figure out another person’s motives, nonetheless it obvious that have a issue with my church.

My basic reason for leaving Catholicism was based on my study of the scriptures and how the church organized would function with characteristics relative to that function.
If you could please, define what functions you would expect to see in the true church, at its original organization or today? How is the CC not meeting your criteria, based on the Bible?
 
If you could please, define what functions you would expect to see in the true church, at its original organization or today? How is the CC not meeting your criteria, based on the Bible?
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If you could please, define what functions you would expect to see in the true church, at its original organization or today? How is the CC not meeting your criteria, based on the Bible?
Here the characteristics
1 Christ organized the church (Eph 4:11-14)
2 The true church must bear the name of Jesus Christ (Eph 5:23)
3 The true church must have a foundation of apostles and prophets (Eph 2:19-20)
4 The true church must have the same organization as Christ’s church (Eph 4:11-14)
5 The true church must claim divine authority (Heb 5:4-10)
6 The true church must have no paid ministry (1 Cor 9:16-18,Acts 20:33-34,John 10:11-13)
7 The true church must baptise by immersion (Matt 3:13-16)
8 The true church must bestow the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands (Acts 8:14-17)
9. The true church must practice divine healing (Mark 3:14-15)
10 The true church must teach that God and Jesus are separate and distinct individuals (John 17:11, 20:17)
11 The true church must teach that God and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone (Luke 23:36-39, Acts 1:9-11, Heb 1:1-3)
12 The officers must be called by God (Heb 4:4, Ex 28:1, 40:13-16)
13 The true church must claim revelation from God (Amos 3:7)
14 The true church must be a missionary church (Matt 28:19-20)
15 The true church must be a restored church (Acts 3:19-20)
16 The true church must practice baptism for the dead (1 Cor 15:16 &29)
17 “By their fruits ye shall know them” (Matt 7:20)
 
Here the characteristics
1 Christ organized the church (Eph 4:11-14)
2 The true church must bear the name of Jesus Christ (Eph 5:23)
3 The true church must have a foundation of apostles and prophets (Eph 2:19-20)
4 The true church must have the same organization as Christ’s church (Eph 4:11-14)
5 The true church must claim divine authority (Heb 5:4-10)
6 The true church must have no paid ministry (1 Cor 9:16-18,Acts 20:33-34,John 10:11-13)
7 The true church must baptise by immersion (Matt 3:13-16)
8 The true church must bestow the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands (Acts 8:14-17)
9. The true church must practice divine healing (Mark 3:14-15)
10 The true church must teach that God and Jesus are separate and distinct individuals (John 17:11, 20:17)
11 The true church must teach that God and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone (Luke 23:36-39, Acts 1:9-11, Heb 1:1-3)
12 The officers must be called by God (Heb 4:4, Ex 28:1, 40:13-16)
13 The true church must claim revelation from God (Amos 3:7)
14 The true church must be a missionary church (Matt 28:19-20)
15 The true church must be a restored church (Acts 3:19-20)
16 The true church must practice baptism for the dead (1 Cor 15:16 &29)
17 “By their fruits ye shall know them” (Matt 7:20)
Just a quick comment on #2, Ephesians 5:23 is not talking about what to name the true church, where do you see that? Jesus is the head or cornerstone of the church, that is the point being made, it was founded by Him and for Him.
 
Just a quick comment on #2, Ephesians 5:23 is not talking about what to name the true church, where do you see that? Jesus is the head or cornerstone of the church, that is the point being made, it was founded by Him and for Him.
So if that is true with the name of his church ---- if it does not have his name, it is the church of whomever whatever.
 
So if that is true with the name of his church ---- if it does not have his name, it is the church of whomever whatever.
The book of Acts says in many places that the early Christians called themselves “The Way”, and that is how they were referred to by non-Christians also in that time. That name occurs even more than the word “Christian” does in Acts. So what do you say about that?
 
The book of Acts says in many places that the early Christians called themselves “The Way”, and that is how they were referred to by non-Christians also in that time. That name occurs even more than the word “Christian” does in Acts. So what do you say about that?
If those who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ wants to address themselves as something separate from being Christians, that is their choice. Being called a Christian is not a bad thing.

Bottom line, one should not confuse those who do know.
 
The book of Acts says in many places that the early Christians called themselves “The Way”, and that is how they were referred to by non-Christians also in that time. That name occurs even more than the word “Christian” does in Acts. So what do you say about that?
The Bible does not record any statement of Jesus that says He wanted the Church to carry His personal name. It is more important that we follow His commandments and do God’s will.
 
The Bible does not record any statement of Jesus that says He wanted the Church to carry His personal name. It is more important that we follow His commandments and do God’s will.
Obviously your view and what I learned through research will be different.
 
If those who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ wants to address themselves as something separate from being Christians, that is their choice. Being called a Christian is not a bad thing.

Bottom line, one should not confuse those who do know.
I hope you are not misunderstanding my point. Of course we call ourselves Christian, but I thought you were referring to the actual name of your church, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
 
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