Seeking the True Church

[JMM1957]

What scripture exists that the church organized by Jesus Christ was to be named the Catholic church???

Isa 24:5 another scripture Amos 8:11-12 These scriptures from ancient prophets are lying is that what you are saying about the apostasy they foretold would occur and of course did so??

Amos 8:11-12

11 “Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord God,
“when I will send a famine on the land—
not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the Lord.
12 They shall wander from sea to sea,
and from north to east;
they shall run to and fro, to seek the word of the Lord,
but they shall not find it.

When was this prophecy fulfilled according to LDS teaching?

 

[CourtingTex]

Amos 8:11-12

11 “Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord God,
“when I will send a famine on the land—
not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the Lord.
12 They shall wander from sea to sea,
and from north to east;
they shall run to and fro, to seek the word of the Lord,
but they shall not find it.

When was this prophecy fulfilled according to LDS teaching?

I am searching in terms a year or date, nonetheless it is obviously the wandering from the truth that existed to the word of the Lord, under the old law, keeping in mind this was before Christ was born and the creation of his church.

 

[JMM1957]

Prophets incorrect ----- wrong.

My church regarding the apostasy and the need for the restoration ----not wrong. If the true church existed through Catholicism, I submit to you God the Father and Jesus Christ would have told Joseph Smith to join Catholicism when he was asking which of the existing churches to join.

He was told to join none ---- they drew to me with their lips and their hearts were far from him — teaching the commandments of men and practices in such churches as well.

CT, does the LDS church accept the whole Bible, cover to cover, as the true Word of God without any contradictions contained in it?

 

[CourtingTex]

CT, does the LDS church accept the whole Bible, cover to cover, as the true Word of God without any contradictions contained in it?

We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly.

 

[adrift]

Prophets incorrect ----- wrong.

Please explain your meaning is not coming through. Are you saying the prophets are wrong?

My church regarding the apostasy and the need for the restoration ----not wrong. If the true church existed through Catholicism, I submit to you God the Father and Jesus Christ would have told Joseph Smith to join Catholicism when he was asking which of the existing churches to join.

He was told to join none ---- they drew to me with their lips and their hearts were far from him — teaching the commandments of men and practices in such churches as well.

Why would I believe Joseph Smith who was convicted of larceny? Looking for treasure by looking in a hat with stones. Much like he looked at stones to write his fiction. A book which stories have no verification and lots of provable errors

 

[CourtingTex]

Please explain your meaning is not coming through. Are you saying the prophets are wrong?

Why would I believe Joseph Smith who was convicted of larceny? Looking for treasure by looking in a hat with stones. Much like he looked at stones to write his fiction. A book which stories have no verification and lots of provable errors

The prophets were correct in what they revealed.

The unnecessary acts against Joseph Smith was by critics focused on ending the spread of the restored gospel and church at the time, trying to kill him. The tools he used to translate the Book of Mormon were helpful to him.

Obviously you are not the newest person to dismiss the Book of Mormon.

 

[JMM1957]

I am searching in terms a year or date, nonetheless it is obviously the wandering from the truth that existed to the word of the Lord, under the old law, keeping in mind this was before Christ was born and the creation of his church.

Yes, Amos was written about 750 B.C. or so, under the old law. Was Israel always obedient to God? No. Were they punished for their disobedience? Yes. Did the OT prophets continually foretell trouble for the Israelite’s if they didn’t worship the one true God, repent, and follow His commandments? So how do you know that this prophecy of Amos was speaking of a Great Apostasy to come after Jesus established His Church?

 

[CourtingTex]

Yes, Amos was written about 750 B.C. or so, under the old law. Was Israel always obedient to God? No. Were they punished for their disobedience? Yes. Did the OT prophets continually foretell trouble for the Israelite’s if they didn’t worship the one true God, repent, and follow His commandments? So how do you know that this prophecy of Amos was speaking of a Great Apostasy to come after Jesus established His Church?

Personally speaking, the Holy Ghost has answered this among other questions I had or have today relative to my continued study of our doctrine.

 

[JMM1957]

Personally speaking, the Holy Ghost has answered this among other questions I had or have today relative to my continued study of our doctrine.

Let’s go back to Matthew 16:18. Read what it says and tell me what it means to you, if you would please.

 

[CourtingTex]

Let’s go back to Matthew 16:18. Read what it says and tell me what it means to you, if you would please.

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Peter is just one the prophets that appeared to Joseph Smith, ordaining him to the higher priesthood, receiving the authority to act in the name of God and Jesus Christ.

Of course, Catholics just focus on Peter ----- yet Catholics do not believe in revelation from God so however they come to a knowledge of what they believe.

Peter, James and John appeared to Joseph Smith.

As far as I am concerned if Catholicism was what my church is, Joseph Smith would have been told, in his answer to his prayer in the spring of 1820 to join the Catholic church. Of course he was told to join none of the existing churches.

 

[CourtingTex]

Further, Peter, one of the prophets who make of the foundation of the church ---- prophets and apostles.

 

[adf417]

I will ask you once again, if somebody leaves your church (LDS) to found another church, does that mean that your church is less of a church or no church at all? Does it mean that the LDS church apostatized?

Bump!

I think this deserves an answer.:sad_yes:

 

[CourtingTex]

Bump!

I think this deserves an answer.:sad_yes:

Folks can do whatever they want if what you suggest is what they wish.

I doubt folks like you suggest are members in good standing and loyal. They are usually inactive members.

Now, they have no authority from God recognized by his authorized servants.

I was become a apostate if I, for example, wanted women to hold the priesthood and taught such to members contrary to the official doctrine and organization of the church.

 

[adrift]

The prophets were correct in what they revealed.

The unnecessary acts against Joseph Smith was by critics focused on ending the spread of the restored gospel and church at the time, trying to kill him. The tools he used to translate the Book of Mormon were helpful to him.

Obviously you are not the newest person to dismiss the Book of Mormon.

This is unclear. Unnecessary acts? Do you mean the trial for him being a charlatan? The trial predated the Book of Mormon by quite a few years. The tools he used were the same when he was cheating people.

Peter is just one the prophets that appeared to Joseph Smith, ordaining him to the higher priesthood, receiving the authority to act in the name of God and Jesus Christ.

Of course, Catholics just focus on Peter ----- yet Catholics do not believe in revelation from God so however they come to a knowledge of what they believe.

Peter, James and John appeared to Joseph Smith.

As far as I am concerned if Catholicism was what my church is, Joseph Smith would have been told, in his answer to his prayer in the spring of 1820 to join the Catholic church. Of course he was told to join none of the existing churches.

It is hard to understand what you are saying. Catholics do believe in revelation from God. They don’t believe every false prophet who says they speak for God.

 

[CourtingTex]

This is unclear. Unnecessary acts? Do you mean the trial for him being a charlatan? The trial predated the Book of Mormon by quite a few years. The tools he used were the same when he was cheating people.


It is hard to understand what you are saying. Catholics do believe in revelation from God. They don’t believe every false prophet who says they speak for God.

Cheating people? What are speaking of?

The tools were used during the translation of the Book of Mormon.

So who receives revelation for the Catholic church as a whole? Pope Francis or who? How I am greatly interested in as well?

 

[adrift]

Let’s go back to Matthew 16:18. Read what it says and tell me what it means to you, if you would please.

18 And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
19 I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 

[CourtingTex]

adrift:
If you believe that Peter ONLY was authorized to use the keys only when any of the twelve apostles could have had the authority.

Again Peter, James and John (James and John apostles also) ordained Joseph Smith to higher priesthood as noted earlier.

My conviction of the scriptures is different versus your understanding.

 

[adrift]

Cheating people? What are speaking of?

The tools were used during the translation of the Book of Mormon.

So who receives revelation for the Catholic church as a whole? Pope Francis or who? How I am greatly interested in as well?

You seem to be unaware that Joseph Smith was tried in Chenango County, New York, for the crime of pretending to find lost treasure. It appears that he was convicted of this crime and paid a fine (and may have even been “escorted by the Sheriff” out of the county per the verdict) this was in 1826.

 

[adrift]

If you believe that Peter ONLY was authorized to use the keys only when any of the twelve apostles could have had the authority.

Again Peter, James and John (James and John apostles also) ordained Joseph Smith to higher priesthood as noted earlier.

My conviction of the scriptures is different versus your understanding.

Not what the scripture says. Is English your first language?

 

[CourtingTex]

You seem to be unaware that Joseph Smith was tried in Chenango County, New York, for the crime of pretending to find lost treasure. It appears that he was convicted of this crime and paid a fine (and may have even been “escorted by the Sheriff” out of the county per the verdict) this was in 1826.

I aware of number of things that critics used to end the growth of the church and eventually kill, which sadly happened in June 1844.

The things I am aware of, certainly did not end his standing in eyes of God as a prophet ---- further I submit whether you are referring of to supposed treason years later did not slow and stop the advancement of the work of God at the time, so nice try.

Some of the popes have been questionable in the character, considering who they are — my point whether a prophet or the pope ----- are they prefect people?? — Jesus who was the only prefect person to ever be