All the individual Reformers, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, etc., chose to form their own congregations based on their own personal interpretations of the existing Scriptures, specifically the NT. To make a long story short, we now have thousands of churches teaching different things. Again, this was all predicted to happen by the NT authors.
Uh except that the term Christian was not of Christian origin. It was a derogatory term that was used on us by pagans. It was first dumped on us at Antioch…
But that’s your fallible interpretation of that verse so what makes your fallible interpretation of that scripture more correct than my fallible interpretation of it which disagrees with yours? And since there is disagreement here, who then has the authority to decide the issue?
Says you and the Mormon church…yet their very concept of God is in error according to scripture and every authentic historical source outside of the LDS.
So there is no way that he could have been deceived? Especially since he had “witnesses” who recanted their statements? And of course there is neither authentic archeological nor historical evidence to support his claims.
So it took him what…3 additional Mormon texts to “restore the Gospel” ? That just doesn’t wash since his “revelations and doctrines” differ from authentic scripture that you claim you believe.
Okay…document for us exactly when and where this supposed apostasy took place. You might want to check these out first though…
There was no restoration sir, nor was there any such apostasy. there was only a guy named Smith who created a fraudulent private revelation full of errant doctrines and related to Jesus Christ in name only.
And ever since Catholicism has been answering and correcting their errors. Whether anyone listens or not is above our pay grade as sowers in the vineyards of the Lord.
True that…since almost every one does not even consider the LDS Christian and for a host of reasons.
Case in point… Mormonism teaches marriages “for time and eternity” yet Jesus Christ Himself plainly said in Matthew 22:30] For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. and Mark 12: 25] For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
So, who is right then? Mormonism or the New Testament of Our Lord and savior Jesus Christ?:ehh:
Just to be clear though CourtingTex, we will be like the angels in heaven because we will not be married or be able to marry. We will not become angels, they are a different creation than us.
I found this:
We believe no such apostasy occurred. Moreover, any such apostasy could not have occurred as it would have contradicted Christ’s decree that hell or death shall never prevail against his Church.
Many of your fellow Mormons have already attempted this. These scriptures give us nothing more than a warning of internal and external forces that would try to pull God’s people from the flock - as has always been the case.
I guess the heart of heresy is self-worship. One could ask with equal validity “Why have so many churches fractured away within the LDS?”
Interestingly, the Stone-Campbell “Restorationist Movement” that occurred at about the same time Joe Smith was authoring the BoM that also fractured into several churches makes EXACTLY the same claim.
I recognize loyal Catholics or others for that matter will dismiss my church. That is their choice.We believe no such apostasy occurred. Moreover, any such apostasy could not have occurred as it would have contradicted Christ’s decree that hell or death shall never prevail against his Church.
Many of your fellow Mormons have already attempted this. These scriptures give us nothing more than a warning of internal and external forces that would try to pull God’s people from the flock - as has always been the case.
I guess the heart of heresy is self-worship. One could ask with equal validity “Why have so many churches fractured away within the LDS?”
Interestingly, the Stone-Campbell “Restorationist Movement” that occurred at about the same time Joe Smith was authoring the BoM that also fractured into several churches makes EXACTLY the same claim.
The Holy Spirit has revealed to me that your Church isn’t true, though. No more “true” than any of the other Restorationist groups from the 19th century that falsely require a failed Church.
Loyalty to your church’s teachings need to be based on the truth of them in regard to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, contained in the Bible, first and foremost. Your loyalty should not be to the supposed visions and private revelations given to a human being, such as Joseph Smith or modern day prophets. The truth contained in the Bible does not become obsolete or void because of writings that came after the Bible was put together in its final form, writings that contradict the Bible, including doctrines, or scriptures that were supposedly given by angels, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or God the Father, new teachings that supposedly were revealed in later times, during a so-called restoration period, that contradict the Bible. The Bible clearly speaks against these things, and I have supplied you with multiple verses that do so. And here are a couple more to meditate on:
I have heard about some of these other groups that you are speaking about, nonetheless my church versus its beginning which was not respected as it is now and doing a number of things with other churches/etc, for example resources for the poor and needy and providing Family Search – the site assisting those interested in searching for their ancestors.
There have always been apostates who broke away from the one true Church to seek after other false teachers, or to establish new churches that lack characteristics or teachings of the one true Church, this was all predicted to happen by NT authors, so no one should be surprised. So, the fact that the LDS claim (as well as other churches) an apostasy happened, is correct, insofar as there have always been apostates, some periods of history had more than others. But the key thing to remember, is that the one true Church would never disappear or apostatize completely, because Jesus said so in Matthew 16:18, and Jesus is not a liar. There is no need for a restored Gospel, because the one true Gospel has been continually preached from day one, by the Catholic Church, it didn’t disappear.
I generally agree you — I believe the creation of the Protestant churches are another reason they (Protestants) have issues with Catholicism’s claim of being the true church.
The problem with your statement, is that the Catholic Church existed for 1500 years before the Protestant churches. The Catholic Church was and is still the one true Church that Jesus established in Matthew 16:18. It did not cease to exist for a single day since its establishment. Just because the Protestant churches came to be in existence, does not mean that the Catholic Church was not the one true Church. You seem to think that because the Protestant churches exist, that makes it ok for Restorationist churches and others to exist. Like somehow you are in solidarity with them against Catholicism. Jesus did not teach that there should be divisions in the Body of Christ.
Bingo.
May I ask you why you participate on a Catholic forum? I seriously would like to know, seeing as how you are a Mormon.
This is not what you said in another thread. You said the opposite, that prophets (specifically Mormon prophets) could teach falsely.
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