Seeking the True Church

[RebeccaJ]

How about by reading, study, and prayer with the Holy Ghost confirming?

…with Mormons reinterpreting for you, to “help” you along. I don’t know that the Holy Ghost confirming anything Mormon, is a reality. It never happened for me. All I ever saw were weepy people who expected you to weep along with them, for whatever reason. I guess some prefer running on emotions.

If that in the “Mormons lens” as you call it, I am grateful that the truth has set me free from Catholicism almost 30 years ago now.

We all have our self delusions.

 

[JMM1957]

Correction ----

Your beliefs in inaccuracies as you have made them to be does not change the truth of the restored church and the restored gospel. I lose no sleep over the fiction created about my church.

For me, I builds my conviction of those who hate or whatever their motive regarding the restored gospel.

The only way I will continue to engage with you on this thread is if you agree to use only the Word of God, the Bible, as our reference. And you cannot answer with “you can believe what you want”, or “you’re not going to change what I believe because the Holy Spirit told me I’m right and my church is right.” What do you think?

 

[CourtingTex]

…with Mormons reinterpreting for you, to “help” you along.

We all have our self delusions.

I doubt the missionaries who taught me years agoi were under any delusion.

They just did something I never saw from Catholicism ----- share the gospel, meaning street contact or knocking on doors, other ways as well.

I do not believe this view that I need to come back to Catholicism because it has the truth — particularly those Catholics who arrogantly say that to me, even now. That is a turn off and not the way Christ would bring folks to him.

 

[JMM1957]

Correction ----

Your beliefs in inaccuracies as you have made them to be does not change** the truth of the restored church and the restored gospel**. I lose no sleep over the fiction created about my church.

For me, I builds my conviction of those who hate or whatever their motive regarding the restored gospel.

Don’t just tell us it’s true over and over, prove it using the Bible.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I doubt the missionaries who taught me years agoi were under any delusion.

They just did something I never saw from Catholicism ----- share the gospel, meaning street contact or knocking on doors, other ways as well.

I do not believe this view that I need to come back to Catholicism because it has the truth — particularly those Catholics who arrogantly say that to me, even now. That is a turn off and not the way Christ would bring folks to him.

So…Mormons telling you they have the truth was enticing but Catholics saying the same is arrogant? Mormon missionaries are the most deluded of all…they’re barely adults, just repeating what they’ve been taught, and have no depth of understanding of scriptures. They quote the Bible out of context, reinterpret as they have been taught to do and are able to convince a few.

You could have stuck around and engaged in Catholic missions, participated in Catholic ministries. Going door to door, is also a thing that some Catholics do. Catholics say similar things, complain that their parish is not doing this or not doing that. No one is stopping any Catholic from going door to door or engaging in any other ministry. Individual Catholics vary in their level of participation in ministries. Yours, at this time, is ZERO. So I don’t think you have any room to talk.

 

[CourtingTex]

Don’t just tell us it’s true over and over, prove it using the Bible.

I did with the 17 characteristics earlier, with Bible scriptures. No the issue is this ---- they are not your answers, further reasoning Catholicism is lacking across the board in several areas.

Apparently, reading my conviction of the truth through the Holy Ghost bothers some of you.

I am not here to offend just state the truth has set me free from Catholicism.

 

[JMM1957]

I doubt the missionaries who taught me years agoi were under any delusion.

They just did something I never saw from Catholicism ----- share the gospel, meaning street contact or knocking on doors, other ways as well.

I do not believe this view that I need to come back to Catholicism because it has the truth — particularly those Catholics who arrogantly say that to me, even now. That is a turn off and not the way Christ would bring folks to him.

A Catholic who believes that they have the truth, is no different than you who claim the same. However, both need to be able to prove it using RELIABLE sources. We both cannot be right, someone is wrong.

 

[CourtingTex]

A Catholic who believes that they have the truth, is no different than you who claim the same. However, both need to be able to prove it using RELIABLE sources. We both cannot be right, someone is wrong.

I considered that years ago — Catholicism is not true when under the Holy Ghost confirmation and being taught the truth prior, with reading and study with prayer.It was not a quick decision to leave Catholicism.

I thought I had the truth then ----- I realized what I was taught was true and I had no problem walking from my parish at the time.

 

[JMM1957]

I did with the 17 characteristics earlier, with Bible scriptures. No the issue is this ---- they are not your answers, further reasoning Catholicism is lacking across the board in several areas.

Apparently, reading my conviction of the truth through the Holy Ghost bothers some of you.

I am not here to offend just state the truth has set me free from Catholicism.

To have a fruitful discussion, we really need to limit the subject to one at a time, not 17 at a time, and we need to use common ground for references, the Word of God, the Bible.

 

[JMM1957]

I considered that years ago --**- Catholicism is not true when under the Holy Ghost confirmation **and being taught the truth prior, with reading and study with prayer.It was not a quick decision to leave Catholicism.

I thought I had the truth then ----- I realized what I was taught was true and I had no problem walking from my parish at the time.

Seems you are telling the Joseph Smith story all over again, only its you this time. This is the same thing Joseph Smith said about Catholicism, and all the other religions of his time, they were all wrong, so said the Holy Spirit.

 

[CourtingTex]

To have a fruitful discussion, we really need to limit the subject to one at a time, not 17 at a time, and we need to use common ground for references, the Word of God, the Bible.

So, if I understand, all of the 17 characteristics, even if I listed one at a time through different threads on the forums here, all from the Bible ---- or are you questioning if Catholicism meets them all? I recognize someone said they all did, yet for example Catholicism has no temples because according to whoever earlier said such, you have All Saints day.

Again all 17 were cited from Bible scriptures.

 

[JMM1957]

So, if I understand, all of the 17 characteristics, even if I listed one at a time through different threads on the forums here, all from the Bible ---- or are you questioning if Catholicism meets them all? I recognize someone said they all did, yet for example Catholicism has no temples because according to whoever earlier said such, you have All Saints day.

Again all 17 were cited from Bible scriptures.

I need to ask you, who came up with this list of 17 requirements?

 

[RebeccaJ]

So, if I understand, all of the 17 characteristics, even if I listed one at a time through different threads on the forums here, all from the Bible ---- or are you questioning if Catholicism meets them all? I recognize someone said they all did, yet for example Catholicism has no temples because according to whoever earlier said such, you have All Saints day.

Again all 17 were cited from Bible scriptures.

That isn’t what they said.

The Catholic concept of Temple, is rooted in the New Covenant, Jesus Christ. He names Himself as the Temple, that would be destroyed in three days and then raised. Each of our churches, is a temple, where God dwells. The Church itself, is God’s temple, all the baptized are the building stones.

The purpose of the OT temples were fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

Further, Mormons have a historical problem, where Jewish converts to Christianity were attending their synagogues still, but gentile converts were not. Specifically, in the NT, it is taught that a gentile does not need to become Jewish. The meaning of this has several points, but relevant to temple worship is, gentile converts would not and could not participate in Jewish temple rites. There were no Christian temples, for a reason. The understanding of who Jesus Christ is, and what meaning He gave to OT temples, made temple worship unnecessary, and worship in Christian churches was rooted in the Eucharist. The center, source and summit of our faith is Jesus Christ, the fulfillment of OT temple rites.

Mormons “restored” something that never existed, and in so doing they have to insist on devaluing Catholic teachings. Again, fighting against Catholic teachings in order to validate their own. Without the Catholic Church’s teaching, Mormonism has no foundation. It has to fight truth in order to survive.

 

[CourtingTex]

I need to ask you, who came up with this list of 17 requirements?

Floyd Elmer Weston, a Latter Day Saint (Mormon) who is deceased now, nonetheless this effort of the 17 characteristics list coming to be certainly puts Catholics on edge.

 

[RebeccaJ]

nonetheless this effort of the 17 characteristics list coming to be certainly puts Catholics on edge.

lol, I don’t think so.

 

[CourtingTex]

lol, I don’t think so.

So if Catholicism professes to be the true church without any awareness of the creator of the 17 characteristics, are you threatened by the list?

My guess is it does not promote Catholicism to be what it claims to be.

 

[JMM1957]

Floyd Elmer Weston, a Latter Day Saint (Mormon) who is deceased now, nonetheless this effort of the 17 characteristics list coming to be certainly puts Catholics on edge.

So a LDS member, now deceased, put this list together? And you expect me, a Catholic to take it seriously? What was preventing Mr. Weston from putting some things in the list, even one thing, that he knew did not apply to the Catholic Church, so that they immediately were disqualified from being the true church? And of course, all the Mormons would look at the list and say to themselves, “we have every last one of these characteristics” and nobody else does, so we are the true church. Ok, whatever.

 

[RebeccaJ]

So if Catholicism professes to be the true church without any awareness of the creator of the 17 characteristics, are you threatened by the list?

My guess is it does not promote Catholicism to be what it claims to be.

Awareness? Perhaps the awareness problem is on your end?

It’s a random list, that left a few things out and in some cases created necessity out of thin air.

When I converted to Catholicism, I used the Nicene Creed, as a list of what must be believed by a Catholic. I’d say, your list is a Mormon creed, that lists what must be believed by a Mormon.

 

[CourtingTex]

So a LDS member, now deceased, put this list together? And you expect me, a Catholic to take it seriously? What was preventing Mr. Weston from putting some things in the list, even one thing, that he knew did not apply to the Catholic Church, so that they immediately were disqualified from being the true church? And of course, all the Mormons would look at the list and say to themselves, “we have every last one of these characteristics” and nobody else does, so we are the true church. Ok, whatever.

Regardless who created the list, the fact is that my church meets all of the list, further their Biblical (or correction just not according to some of the Catholics here on the forums).

If the list did not exist, my own conviction of my church is significant cause to not be loyal to Catholicism now.

 

[JMM1957]

Regardless who created the list, the fact is that my church meets all of the list, further their Biblical (or correction just not according to some of the Catholics here on the forums).

If the list did not exist, my own conviction of my church is significant cause to not be loyal to Catholicism now.

Are you so easily misled CT? It just so happens that your church meets the criteria that a LDS member established? I think I should stick to my gut feelings and remove myself from engaging with you on any subject related to LDS teachings.