Seeking the True Church

[RebeccaJ]

Some things not on the Mormon list**:

1. The celebration of the Lord’s supper includes bread, wine (Matt 26:26-29) and the washing of each others’ feet (John 13:4-15).
2. Marriage and divorce are frowned upon (1 Cor 7, Matt 19:9, Mark 10:2-12).
3. Women must cover the head while praying (1 Cor 11:5-10).
4. Eunuchs will have special respect in the Church (Matt 19:12).
5. They can drink poison without harm (Mark 16:18).

(**An example of making a list up, with some items having no context.)

 

[CourtingTex]

Are you so easily misled CT? It just so happens that your church meets the criteria that a LDS member established? I think I should stick to my gut feelings and remove myself from engaging with you on any subject related to LDS teachings.

Works for me, since a lot of your loyal Catholics, claim to know my church’s doctrine, actual practices, etc and from my reading a number of threads over the years ---- you choose to be inaccurate because you are a former Mormon who wants to tell some folks here or even me, if we would just believe, this is the reality of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Saints.

Of course, the never have been Mormons who are similar to the former Mormons ---- they can not leave the church alone, completely in all ways, whether in attendance or here on the forums, etc because their motives are to bring folks to the truth of Catholicism and avoid all costs their sick Mormons as some believe we are.

I am very well and again no plans of going to confession tommorrow so that the Catholics will have accomplished their chief motive for me and other Mormons ---- have us come back to or join the Catholic church.

 

[JMM1957]

Works for me, since a lot of your loyal Catholics, claim to know my church’s doctrine, actual practices, etc and from my reading a number of threads over the years ---- you choose to be inaccurate because you are a former Mormon who wants to tell some folks here or even me, if we would just believe, this is the reality of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Saints.

Of course, the never have been Mormons who are similar to the former Mormons ---- they can not leave the church alone, completely in all ways, whether in attendance or here on the forums, etc because their motives are to bring folks to the truth of Catholicism and avoid all costs their sick Mormons as some believe we are.

I am very well and again no plans of going to confession tommorrow so that the Catholics will have accomplished their chief motive for me and other Mormons ---- have us come back to or join the Catholic church.

CT, if the shoe was on the other foot, and a Catholic priest came up with a list of requirements for being the true church, what would you think about that list? Would you trust it?

 

[JMM1957]

Some things not on the Mormon list**:

1. The celebration of the Lord’s supper includes bread, wine (Matt 26:26-29) and the washing of each others’ feet (John 13:4-15).
2. Marriage and divorce are frowned upon (1 Cor 7, Matt 19:9, Mark 10:2-12).
3. Women must cover the head while praying (1 Cor 11:5-10).
4. Eunuchs will have special respect in the Church (Matt 19:12).
5. They can drink poison without harm (Mark 16:18).

(**An example of making a list up, with some items having no context.)

Exactly, these are all Biblical too.

 

[CourtingTex]

CT, if the shoe was on the other foot, and a Catholic priest came up with a list of requirements for being the true church, what would you think about that list? Would you trust it?

Must I remind you ---- I left Catholicism. Nothing a Catholic member, priest, academic, bishop, cardinal, or Pope Francis himself would say has me coming back to my neighborhood parish.

My key point, in all of this ---- you do not like my church’ s doctrine/etc. I live with that and continue to be fine with that reality.

 

[Fauken]

Must I remind you ---- I left Catholicism. Nothing a Catholic member, priest, academic, bishop, cardinal, or Pope Francis himself would say has me coming back to my neighborhood parish.

My key point, in all of this ---- you do not like my church’ s doctrine/etc. I live with that and continue to be fine with that reality.

Why is it that Catholics allegedly not going door to door and evangelizing considered a mark against it, but when those same Catholics try to evangelize you and bring you back to Catholicism, they’re arrogant and wasting their time?

I hate to say it, but to me, the only reason you’re on these forms is to flout to other Catholics that you’ll never come back. And when people try to point out the inconsistencies of your church, you reply that you just know, that the Mormon church checks off all the points of arbitrary list supported by arbitrary scripture made by a deceased Mormon. I would even go so far as to say that you need the Catholic pushback to reaffirm your own beliefs, and that you’re not as firm as you imply.

I’ll pray for your conversion. Faith and reason are not adversaries.

 

[CourtingTex]

Why is it that Catholics allegedly not going door to door and evangelizing considered a mark against it, but when those same Catholics try to evangelize you and bring you back to Catholicism, they’re arrogant and wasting their time?

I hate to say it, but to me, the only reason you’re on these forms is to flout to other Catholics that you’ll never come back. And when people try to point out the inconsistencies of your church, you reply that you just know, that the Mormon church checks off all the points of arbitrary list supported by arbitrary scripture made by a deceased Mormon. I would even go so far as to say that you need the Catholic pushback to reaffirm your own beliefs, and that you’re not as firm as you imply.

I’ll pray for your conversion. Faith and reason are not adversaries.

I assure that I am not on the forums to “puff up” my conviction of the truth.

As for the claim I am not firm, as you imply, using your words, can not be further from the truth. Conversion occurs almost 30 years.

Newsflash for those actually understanding why I left Catholicism ---- the church was not worked it claimed to be.

If you want to remain loyal to Catholicism, obviously you will continue being loyal.

 

[JMM1957]

CT, just for the record, your #16 on the list, baptism for the dead, is not a practice that seemed to be very common, even among the Corinthians that Paul was addressing in his letter (1 Cor. 15:29). Some Corinthians, maybe a small number, were denying the resurrection, and yet they were having themselves baptized for the dead. Paul was simply pointing out their inconsistency in that they didn’t believe in the resurrection, yet were baptizing themselves for the dead who never were baptized, but possibly had faith in Jesus before they died. Because baptism for the dead is only mentioned one time in the Bible, it is hard to come to a definite conclusion about how it was looked upon by Paul, as we don’t have other scriptural references that help us come to a certain answer about it. So, based on that, baptism for the dead looks to be an obscure practice by a unique congregation, and certainly should not be included as a requirement for the true church to practice. But of course, you may have some so-called scripture that was written by Joseph Smith in the 19th century that may shed more light on the worthiness of the practice.

 

[JMM1957]

Why is it that Catholics allegedly not going door to door and evangelizing considered a mark against it, but when those same Catholics try to evangelize you and bring you back to Catholicism, they’re arrogant and wasting their time?

I hate to say it, but to me, the only reason you’re on these forms is to flout to other Catholics that you’ll never come back. And when people try to point out the inconsistencies of your church, you reply that you just know, that the Mormon church checks off all the points of arbitrary list supported by arbitrary scripture made by a deceased Mormon. I would even go so far as to say that you need the Catholic pushback to reaffirm your own beliefs, and that you’re not as firm as you imply.

I’ll pray for your conversion. Faith and reason are not adversaries.

I’ll second that.

 

[CourtingTex]

CT, just for the record, your #16 on the list, baptism for the dead, is not a practice that seemed to be very common, even among the Corinthians that Paul was addressing in his letter (1 Cor. 15:29). Some Corinthians, maybe a small number, were denying the resurrection, and yet they were having themselves baptized for the dead. Paul was simply pointing out their inconsistency in that they didn’t believe in the resurrection, yet were baptizing themselves for the dead who never were baptized, but possibly had faith in Jesus before they died. Because baptism for the dead is only mentioned one time in the Bible, it is hard to come to a definite conclusion about how it was looked upon by Paul, as we don’t have other scriptural references that help us come to a certain answer about it. So, based on that, baptism for the dead looks to be an obscure practice by a unique congregation, and certainly should not be included as a requirement for the true church to practice.

Despite all that said and according to you, All Saints day will save all those who never heard of Jesus and his gospel and church??

Jesus was immersed when baptized by John the Baptist, to fulfill all righteousness.

Notice — immersion, not sprinkling on the head (Do not get me start with infant baptism — infants who do not talk, read yet the ordinance of baptism, done incorrectly is done on them)

 

[JMM1957]

Despite all that said and according to you, All Saints day will save all those who never heard of Jesus and his gospel and church??

Jesus was immersed when baptized by John the Baptist, to fulfill all righteousness.

Notice — immersion, not sprinkling on the head (Do not get me start with infant baptism — infants who do not talk, read yet the ordinance of baptism, done incorrectly is done on them)

You really should stick to understanding your own church teachings first, not ours. All Saints Day is celebrating the saints already in Heaven, that is those who accepted Jesus, His Gospel, and Church.

 

[JMM1957]

Despite all that said and according to you, All Saints day will save all those who never heard of Jesus and his gospel and church??

**Jesus was immersed when baptized by John the Baptist, to fulfill all righteousness.

Notice — immersion, not sprinkling on the head (Do not get me start with infant baptism — infants who do not talk, read yet the ordinance of baptism, done incorrectly is done on them)**/QUOTE]

Don’t worry, its the last thing from my mind right now, talking about infant baptism with you.

 

[CourtingTex]

You really should stick to understanding your own church teachings first, not ours. All Saints Day is celebrating the saints already in Heaven, that is those who accepted Jesus, His Gospel, and Church.

I fully understand what my church proclaims ---- it is some of you Catholics who claim to know, yet again and again and again, you are wrong. My guess to advance a agenda.

Does the actual truth threaten what you have been sharing with the world?

Obviously, I am not update to date on your doctrine ---- even through changing the word cup to chalice, I found quite interesting, since the Biblical scripture said cup, referring to the sacrament (or Eucharist as you call it) — I learned from the internet ---- I do not attend Mass anymore

 

[JMM1957]

Despite all that said and according to you, All Saints day will save all those who never heard of Jesus and his gospel and church??

**Jesus was immersed when baptized by John the Baptist, to fulfill all righteousness.

Notice — immersion, not sprinkling on the head (Do not get me start with infant baptism — infants who do not talk, read yet the ordinance of baptism, done incorrectly is done on them)**

If someone needed to be baptized in the middle of the Sahara Desert, and you only had a cup of water, would that be enough to do the job?

 

[JMM1957]

I fully understand what my church proclaims ---- it is some of you Catholics who claim to know, yet again and again and again, you are wrong. My guess to advance a agenda.

Does the actual truth threaten what you have been sharing with the world?

Obviously, I am not update to date on your doctrine ---- even through changing the word cup to chalice, I found quite interesting, since the Biblical scripture said cup, referring to the sacrament (or Eucharist as you call it) — I learned from the internet ---- I do not attend Mass anymore

You were a Catholic once weren’t you, what did you call it?

 

[CourtingTex]

If someone needed to be baptized in the middle of the Sahara Desert, and you only had a cup of water, would that be enough to do the job?

So the manner that Jesus was baptized was not the way any person seeking to join his church is wrong? Is that your excuse or reasoning for the sprinkling?

You folks got to do better with why you do what you do in terms of ordinances.

 

[JMM1957]

So the manner that Jesus was baptized was not the way any person seeking to join his church is wrong? Is that your excuse or reasoning for the sprinkling?

You folks got to do better with why you do what you do in terms of ordinances.

Answer my question please. Is the amount of water the important thing in the Sahara Desert, or not?

 

[JMM1957]

Answer my question please. Is the amount of water the important thing in the Sahara Desert, or not?

You think about it while I go eat dinner.

 

[adf417]

Answer my question please. Is the amount of water the important thing in the Sahara Desert, or not?

And being baptized in the Jordan significant, or being baptized by John the Baptist. Seems these are criteria that also would need to be met, yes?

Peace!!!

 

[CourtingTex]

Answer my question please. Is the amount of water the important thing in the Sahara Desert, or not?

The manner is clear, as Jesus Christ experienced.

If, to answer your question, if the ordinance is done by one holding the correct priesthood authority, approved the amount of water, then it is fine.

How do you explain, the need that a Catholic priest or deacon needing to go to seminary, and then ordained by another (in this case the bishop or archbishop) when Jesus Christ called his original apostles (notice he called them — they did not have a feeling/etc and call themselves) — there a scripture about that — his apostles did not go to a seminary and receive a degree. That is a requirement for those holding the Catholic priesthood.