Senior German Priest Calls Homosexuality a Sickness. A Report

[Bradskii]

Bradskii

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c1949:

Respecting individuals with same sex attraction should be the same as respecting someone with cancer…

Possibly both. Try to be clearer.

 

[abucs]

Like I said, I would definitely need a lot more evidence for a simple claim that homosexuality is the result of a narcissistic search for masculinity in men. But I imagine the priest likely has some basis for that claim and it may apply or be accurate at least in some cases. We do have an obligation - especially when or if it concerns people’s health, happiness and well-being - to tell the truth, when and if it applies and it can be healing or helpful. That this should be done with all charity also goes without saying.

Yes I also would like to hear the basis and logic behind this thinking so as to judge it’s usefulness. At the moment I think there is not much reliably accepted evidence for why one is homosexual as opposed to heterosexual.

If the “professional” scientists could fix same-sex attraction, how many people afflicted with it would seek treatment? (And why are so many ‘rights’ advocates trying to stop those who seek such assistance? What business is it of theirs?)

Of course words like ‘fix’, ‘afflicted’ and ‘treatment’ are coming from the perspective of homosexuality as disordered but the question is a good one. I suspect if a ‘treatment’ was found to be effective many likely candidates and their families would give it their full-hearted support.

Like homosexuals who would prefer homosexuality, their views and experiences are also valuable.

 

[abucs]

Hooker reportedly believed experts would be unable to distinguish homosexuals from heterosexuals on psychological tests. Re-examination of her work indicates that Hooker’s study was neither rigorous nor reliable. Among other problems, homosexual subjects were easily identified on test protocols; her reports of how she obtained her samples were incomplete and contradictory; and her study generated results supportive of obsession/compulsivity in homosexuals.

Hello Ed. Do you have any extra information on how homosexuals can be easily identified on psychological test protocols?

In my observation they are mostly looking for “love” even more than heterosexuals.

This fits somewhat with my experience in teaching young ‘effeminate’ boys. They tended to be very sensitive and joyful which are great attributes to have. Unfortunately this also means they are more likely to be vulnerable to criticism and rejection.

But “narcisism” I would observe rather less than the genera population, but rather insecurity and poor self image, sometimes masked by bravado and even hostility.

That’s my anecdotal contribution.

Perhaps if these experiences are ongoing a form of narcisism can develop in some people (particularly males) as a way of dealing with rejection and insecurity?

 

[Edmundus1581]

Edmundus1581:

But “narcisism” I would observe rather less than the genera population, but rather insecurity and poor self image, sometimes masked by bravado and even hostility.

That’s my anecdotal contribution.

Perhaps if these experiences are ongoing a form of narcisism can develop in some people (particularly males) as a way of dealing with rejection and insecurity?

That makes sense. In my observation “insecurity” is a lifelong attribute for almost anyone with a gender or sexual abnormality, as sexual “normality” is ubiquitous even as the media attempts to normalize the exceptions, and of course our psyche finds ways of dealing with ongoing rejection and insecurity.

For instance, there was a cross-gender “woman” at my gym. She had to use a private change room as she was not permitted in the women’s change room, by the women. Regardless of how the media and the people at large promote acceptance, it is at best “forced” and there are still large numbers of people who don’t even make an effort, and always will be. This is, I suspect, one of the reasons homosexuals of both genders socialise amongst themselves - for safety in numbers.

 

[Thorolfr]

Perhaps if these experiences are ongoing a form of narcisism can develop in some people (particularly males) as a way of dealing with rejection and insecurity?

But how can rejection happen if gay people never experience any hostility, discrimination or oppression?

 

[Thorolfr]

In my observation “insecurity” is a lifelong attribute for almost anyone with a gender or sexual abnormality, as sexual “normality” is ubiquitous even as the media attempts to normalize the exceptions, and of course our psyche finds ways of dealing with ongoing rejection and insecurity.

Just being a minority of any sort can lead to what is called “minority stress” which can cause insecurity, depression, low self-esteem, etc. Being the only black person working in a company where everyone else is white could cause insecurity and “minority stress”. Growing up gay in a world where most other people are straight can cause insecurity and low self esteem. Having a neurodevelopmental disorder like ADHD can lead to insecurity and low self esteem because many such people have probably had a lifetime of being told that they’re lazy, stupid or crazy (there’s a well known book for people with ADHD that was published in the 1990s by Kate Kelly and Peggy Ramundo called, You Mean I’m Not Lazy, Stupid or Crazy?!)

 

[prayerrider]

God didn’t make the desire for homosexual intercourse. He may allow it, just as He allows other temptations since for now, He allows Satan to keep on tempting. All human beings are tempted toward one sin or another.

 

[jtwp5]

God didn’t make the desire for homosexual intercourse.

That’s not what I really desire…

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

It could be imagined and you did mention minority stress.

 

[Thorolfr]

God didn’t make the desire for homosexual intercourse. He may allow it, just as He allows other temptations since for now, He allows Satan to keep on tempting. All human beings are tempted toward one sin or another.

Same-sex relationships are not just about sexual intercourse (although that’s what a lot of people seem to imagine). There is also a desire for companionship, for physical touch, for being hugged, for finding love. And physical contact and touch are important for all human beings. Studies have shown that infants who are not held and touched by their mothers often fail to thrive. If someone is gay and is supposed to remain single and chaste for the rest of their life, where would they get that physical touch which could be as simple as having someone they love hold their hand or give them a hug when they’re feeling down?

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

If someone is gay and is supposed to remain single and chaste for the rest of their life, where would they get that physical touch which could be as simple as having someone they love hold their hand

It doesn’t have to be a spouse or a love interest.

 

[Thorolfr]

Thorolfr:

If someone is gay and is supposed to remain single and chaste for the rest of their life, where would they get that physical touch which could be as simple as having someone they love hold their hand

It doesn’t have to be a spouse or a love interest.

I don’t have any regular friends who would do that. It would be pretty awkward to ask. How many guys who aren’t gay would feel OK with holding another male friend’s hand? How many women would usually do that for a male friend who wasn’t a significant other?

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

Is holding hands really that necessary?

 

[CilladeRoma]

I am a woman, who is married, but if you needed me to hold you hand I would.
But you are so right, far too many people equate any type of physical contact as quasi-sexual, even in hetero circles.
I firmly believe physical intimacy between friends is an important, but sorely neglected in our society.

 

[CilladeRoma]

Some days, for some people, yes it is.

 

[Edmundus1581]

prayerrider:

God didn’t make the desire for homosexual intercourse.

That’s not what I really desire…

Very important that we remember this!

It’s the same for heterosexuals, btw. For most people, “sexuality” is not primarily about genital activity. The small number who make it that way distort the picture.

 

[prayerrider]

Hug a member of the opposite sex. I’ve seen homosexual men do it many times.

 

[jtwp5]

Told my friend today I’ve had desires to cuddle with him. Idk, I can’t really relate to his desires with women and guess he can’t relate to mine. We did hug goodbye though. He’s a good guy, though I feel like compared to some of my other friends we don’t really get along as well.

Idk I struggle with seeing what’s wrong with cuddling on the couch with another guy. I’ve seen some men who wrap there arms around each other hanging out and I know they’ve had a girlfriend at one point or the other. Some people are alot more physically affectionate. Don’t some culture like kiss on the cheek?

 

[abucs]

abucs:

Perhaps if these experiences are ongoing a form of narcisism can develop in some people (particularly males) as a way of dealing with rejection and insecurity?

But how can rejection happen if gay people never experience any hostility, discrimination or oppression?

Everybody faces rejection, hostility, discrimination and oppression in some sense. Why would homosexuals not experience this also?

 

[c1949]

Try to be clearer? I meant exactly what I said, Whatever respect you might have for someone with cancer (not blaming or shaming), you should have the same respect for a person with SSA. What, do you disagree?