Septuagesima Sunday

[OurLadyPerpHelp]

What is Septuagesima Sunday all about? Are there traditional customs or anything I should know about? I’m going to a Latin Mass on Sunday - my first - and will have enough to worry about with the liturgy.

 

[laszlo]

When I was young we called this time pre-Lent. Some very long time ago, the lent, the preparation for Christ’s dead and resurrection was longer.

The color is violet, there is no Gloria in the Masses. There is no Alleluia in the office nor in the Mass, and in the traditional office the Genesis is the Scriptural reading. In the Mass the Gradual is replaced by the Tractus, in the office the Alleluia by Laus tibi Christe.

In my time the solemn wedding ceremonies were still allowed, most of the weddings took place this time or September

 

[OurLadyPerpHelp]

When I was young we called this time pre-Lent. Some very long time ago, the lent, the preparation for Christ’s dead and resurrection was longer.

The color is violet, there is no Gloria in the Masses. There is no Alleluia in the office nor in the Mass, and in the traditional office the Genesis is the Scriptural reading. In the Mass the Gradual is replaced by the Tractus, in the office the Alleluia by Laus tibi Christe.

In my time the solemn wedding ceremonies were still allowed, most of the weddings took place this time or September

Thank you. I’m liking this idea of pre-Lent. In the past my Lenten preparations consisted nothing more than deciding whether to give up chocolate or not.

As for this Sunday’s liturgy, as I’m anticipating not being able to follow exactly anyway, I’ll take the advice from others and just observe. I’ll also be going to my own church later so I can actively participate there.

 

[laszlo]

As for this Sunday’s liturgy, as I’m anticipating not being able to follow exactly anyway, I’ll take the advice from others and just observe. I’ll also be going to my own church later so I can actively participate there.

Think about the Latin Mass as it is the same as the New rite:

• at the beginning at the foot of the altar the priest and the servers recite Psalm 42 and the Confiteor, with the same mentality as the Penitential rite in the new rite
• the priest approaches the altar and at the right (lesson) site reads the entrance psalm (introit). In singed Mass the choir is singing the same chant
• at the middle of the altar the priest and the servers recite the Kyrie, the choir could sing it. There will be no Gloria is neither mass
• at the lesson side the priest reads the Collect, the Lesson and the Gradual; the choir may sing the Gradual
• the the right (Gospel) side the priest reads the Gospel. Afterward usually at the ambo he reads the lesson and Gospel in vernacular, and says the sernon
• follows the Creed, in both masses, the choir may sing it. There is no prayers of the faithful, only a simple Oremus, as remainder from the pre Trident times
• the offerory prayers are different in the new rite, but the mentality is the same: our offering to God
• Orate Fratres is the same in both Mass, also the prefation, and if the new rite is reverent the Roman Canon is the same in both rites
• Our Father and the following prayers are mostly the same, the communion is somewhat different, only the communion of the priest is part of the Mass in the TLM, the communion of the faithful is separate rite. People receive the communion knee;ling at the bars of the altar, the same Jesus Christ
• communion chant, postcommunion prayer and dismissal in both Mass
• in the TLM after the dismissal is the blessing and the Last Gospel the beginning of the Gospel of John

Low mass is finished by 3 Aves and some prayers, this is in vernacular.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

I recall reading, long ago, that in the early years different countries celebrated different lengths for Lent. Some were as short as two weeks; others as long as nine weeks.

When Lent was standardized at 6+ weeks the pre-Lent was included to allow those with a longer Lent to continue to observe a longer period. The lenten observances were increased, especially Holy Week, as a gesture to those who had observed a shorter Lent.

I’m not sure of that, but it seems reasonable.

 

[Zacdecat]

My parents were married during Lent as dad was about to be posted overseas. They were allowed to be married but there were no flowers,singing or any thing of that nature which was a bit ad I guess but as mum’s dad was very poor it was in fact a blessing.

 

[dmorgan]

OLPH, try this from Our Lady of the Rosary Library (library@olrl.org)

"SEPTUAGESIMA SUNDAY

Why is this Sunday called “Septuagesima”?

Because in accordance with the words of the First Council of Orleans,
some pious Christian congregations in the earliest ages of the Church,
especially the clergy, began to fast seventy days before Easter, on
this Sunday, which was therefore called Septuagesima" - the
seventieth day. The same is the case with the Sundays following,
which are called Sexagesima, Quinquagesima , Quadragesima, because
some Christians commenced to fast sixty days, others fifty, others
forty days before Easter, until finally, to make it properly uniform,
Popes Gregory and Gelasius arranged that all Christians should fast
forty days before Easter, commencing with Ash-Wednesday.

Why, from this day until Easter, does the Church omit in her service
all joyful canticles, alleluia’s, and the Gloria in excelsis etc?

Gradually to prepare the minds of the faithful for the serious time
of penance and sorrow; to remind the sinner of the grievousness of
his errors, and to exhort him to penance. So the priest appears at
the altar in violet, the color of penance, and the front of the altar
is covered with a violet curtain. To arouse our sorrow for our sins,
and show the need of repentance, the Church in the name of all
mankind at the Introit cries with David: The groans of death
surrounded me, the sorrows of hell encompassed me: and in my
affliction I called upon the Lord, and he heard my voice from his
holy temple. (Ps. XVII, 5-7.) I will love thee, O Lord, my strength;
the Lord is my firmament, and my refuge, and my deliverer. (Fs. XVII.
2-3.) Glory be to the Father, etc."

hope this helps.

Pax Christi

 

[Ora_et_Labora_1]

I thought “Ite Missa Est” was substituted for “Benedicamos Domine” starting Septuagesima…

 

[tradcathconvert]

I thought “Ite Missa Est” was substituted for “Benedicamos Domine” starting Septuagesima…

Before the rubrics in the 1962 Missal, “Ite Missa Est” was replaced by “Benedicamus Domino” when the Gloria was not recited. The rubrics in the 1962 Missal require it to always be “Ite Missa Est”.

 

[Ora_et_Labora_1]

Before the rubrics in the 1962 Missal, “Ite Missa Est” was replaced by “Benedicamus Domino” when the Gloria was not recited. The rubrics in the 1962 Missal require it to always be “Ite Missa Est”.

Ah, ok. That’s what I get for following along with a 1940’s Missal X-D

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Before the rubrics in the 1962 Missal, “Ite Missa Est” was replaced by “Benedicamus Domino” when the Gloria was not recited. The rubrics in the 1962 Missal require it to always be “Ite Missa Est”.

I had completely forgotten that, and I served a lot of masses in the 40’s and 50’s. My 1950 missal also adds that in a Requiem mass the priest said “Requiescant in pace.” The response was “Amen.”

 

[tradcathconvert]

I had completely forgotten that, and I served a lot of masses in the 40’s and 50’s. My 1950 missal also adds that in a Requiem mass the priest said “Requiescant in pace.” The response was “Amen.”

If I remember correctly, it is still Requiescant in pace. Amen. in the 1962 Missal. And,also correcting what I said or implied yesterday, I just thought of one time that Benedicamus Domino is said in the 1962 Missal, It occurs on Corpus Christi and days like that where there is a procession with the Blessed Sacrament immediately after Mass.