serious big Question about Islam

[rikkk1958]

Planten,

With respect to Abraham your father whose faith saved him and those who are with him including Ishmael your own forefather, cast away with his mother Hagar but God blessed him also to multiply as great nation. In this respect, the Vatican recognized the plan for salvation for the muslim because of their faith from the father Abraham. The Bible teaches us the story from Abraham to Isaac, Jacob,to Moses, Joseph, and then to Jesus. The story of the Bible was about the chosen people and the chosen land because from them God’s power and glory can be told. You have the old testament that was full of fighting and forgiveness which is to show how God will be known to people at that time The ten commandments was laid down to them and the law which Moses wrote according to God speaking through him. The Jews were stubborn and many prophets lived to prophesy many including the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The stubbornness of the Jews was the subject of Jesus coming and the start of saving even the gentiles. Christianity was founded afterwards.

Jesus Christ story is not just like any other man made story. It was written by men who witnessed and heard the accounts of people around him when He walked on earth. To make sure people believe what He wanted them to believe, He performed miracles that no man could ever imitate, only because only the One who comes from God can do it. He taught with authority and all of His teachings comes from God the Father. You have read the NT. The NT has all the reference you can find in matters of faith, love, and life we can live by. His Words is the truth, the Life, and the Way. He warned us of many false prophets also. He died for our sins, and by conquering death the devil was subdued, and His resurrection promise us life that is everlasting.

600 years after His death, muhammed was born from pagan family. There are no prophesy that this man will be born to get favor from God. History can only tell the story of muhammed and we all know it was not a good story. However, muhammed wanted the knowledge of knowing the God of the Jews and the Christians and while he was moving around the peninsula as a little boy accompanying his merchant father, he heard many teachings from the Jewish and Christian men and women who also roamed the peninsula to preach God’s word. The peninsula at that time was a lawless region. As muhammed grew, he married a wealthy and older merchant woman. His knowledge of the Bible lead him to preach also but when rejected at the start he proclaimed a revelation that was allegedly told to him by the Angel Gabriel in the cave. No one witnessed his sightings with the Angel but told his wife about it, who wrote it in a papyrus, but the goat had eaten them. So the revelation became a memorized revelations that was told to men who wrote it down for him. Now after 200 years, the quran is composed with the help of his followers and their good memory.

The quran taught respect for the Book and the people of the Book. It has the account of Jesus’ birth by Mary and muhammed believed that Jesus’ birth was conceived by Mary without a human father but a spirit. Muhammed called Jesus just one of the prophets and He is not even considered in the level of muhammed. As the writings in the quran keep going, the respect of the people of the Book became the disbelievers who should be slaughtered if not exiled. The holy war or “jihad” must be practiced by every muslims to ensure that the world will believe in islam.

As I understand it, muslims was deceived by muhammed instead of keeping the faith of the father Abraham. The deception led many followers of muhammed to practice a religion contrary to the “love” of God for His people. Muslims should restore their faith what Ishmael and Esau believed then to received grace from God. It would be much better if they understand how Jesus wanted to save them also,

 

[cathopologist]

Dear chaz, if Islam was the one true religion, why did it take thousands years to reveal itself to mankind? Muslims believe that everyone is born a Muslim - that includes prophets of the OT and every person on earth. How did the “Muslims” of the OT know they were Muslims? Where is it in the OT that makes this claim? Where is Mohammad’s genealogy in the OT? We can trace Jesus’ genealogy but Mohammad’s nowhere to be found.

If Mohammad was the Seal of Prophets, why do Muslims reject Bahá’u’lláh as their prophet since he was a Muslim himself? Islam is not God’s intention. It is the intention of a man - Mohammad. A self-proclaimed “prophet” whose authenticity was questioned when Bahá’u’lláh received his revelations from God. If Christians have to acknowledge Islam as a true religion, it’ll only be acknowledged when Muslims accept Bahá’u’lláh as their prophet, since he also claims to be the Seal of Prophets. There cannot be 2 distinctive Seals of Prophets. Either one is lying and the other is the true Seal, or both are lying since both religions sound desperate to claim the Seal of Prophethood. Until then, Mohammad and his religion is as good as the Gnostics (or Bahais) and their religion.

 

[planten]

What I have written about islam is true. You have to go back up to 1000 years friend, Look to Pakistaan today, Saudi today, Iran today, look at islam today, if the Christians behaved like that you would be right to accuse us. But you’re comments on the west cannot be ignored or deffended and I do not…but there is one major differance, all the above mentioned countries oppress, make war and kill in the name of God.Napolean is a Frech hero, if he was a great christian hero I would have encountered his name in my religous study (personal, not official).Galileo Thye church has admitted it’s error. Salmon Rushdi what’s you’r opinion on him? Whats Irans? Whats Saudi? Death see the point yet??? You’r proving my point "judging others without an honest eye on yourselves. And bloody Mary? Please inform me. But one thing you should know I’m from Scotland.

Very good. Then tell us about your bloody Mary, Queen of Scotland. What honorable deeds she performed to earn that name? Please tell.

 

[Analyzer]

. And bloody Mary? Please inform me. But one thing you should know I’m from Scotland

**

Mary Tudor**

"Queen of England from 1553 to 1558; born 18 February, 1516; died 17 November, 1558. Mary was the daughter and only surviving child of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon.

“All this seems to have excited much feeling among the more fanatical of the Reformers, men who for some years had railed against the pope and denounced Transubstantiation with impunity. Mary and her advisers were probably right in thinking that religious peace was impossible unless these fanatics were silenced, and they started once more to enforce those penalties for heresy which after all had never ceased to be familiar. Both under Henry VIII and Edward VI men had been burned for religion, and Protestant bishops like Cranmer, Latimer, and Ridley had had a principal hand in their burning. It seems to be generally admitted now that no vindictive thirst for blood prompted the deplorable severities which followed, but they have weighed heavily upon the memory of Mary, and it seems on the whole probable that in her conscientious but misguided zeal for the peace of the Church, she was herself principally responsible for them.
In less than four years 277 persons were burned to death. Some, like Cranmer, Latimer, and Ridley, were men of influence and high position, but the majority belonged to the lower orders. Still these last were dangerous, because, as Dr. Gairdner has pointed out, heresy and sedition were at that time almost convertible terms. In regard to these executions, a much more lenient and at the same time more equitable judgment now prevails than was formerly the case. As one recent writer observes, Mary and her advisers “honestly believed themselves to be applying the only remedy left for the removal of a mortal disease from the body politic…What they did was on an unprecedented scale in England because heresy existed on an unprecedented scale” (Innes, “England under the Tudors”, 232; and cf. Gairdner, “Lollardy”, I,327).”

newadvent.org/cathen/09766a.htm

I could have posted info. from non-Catholic sources, but to be fair with you, above excerpts are right from your Catholic Encyclopedia.

 

[Analyzer]

…if Islam was the one true religion, why did it take thousands years to reveal itself to mankind? Muslims believe that everyone is born a Muslim - that includes prophets of the OT and every person on earth. How did the “Muslims” of the OT know they were Muslims? Where is it in the OT that makes this claim?

**Very good and interesting questions.

You may have known already that Islam** is an Arabic word which has a meaning. It means SUMBISSION. Theologically it mean SUBMISSION to the WIll of God. And a person who submits/surrenders to the Will of God is called MUSLIM in Arabic.

Where is the Will of God?

The Will of God was Revealed by God Almighty through his own choosen true Prophets/Messengers from time to time for all nations. The core message was same, but details vary. If you were born and live in the period of Prophet Moses (PBUH) and have been following the Will of God Revealed to him through Torah, then you are called a Muslim of that period–meaning you submitted/surrendered your will to the Will of God.

Similalry, if you were lived in Jesus time and when:

"… a scholar of the law ([of Moses] who stood up to test him and said, “Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
Jesus said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read it?”
He said in reply, “You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your being, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” He replied to him, "You have answered correctly; do this and you will live

."

How do you love the Lord your God with all your being, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself? By obeying Pagan Roman Laws or secluar laws that allows gay and lesbian and dogs marriages?

Obviously by following his Laws and Commandments that were and are REVEALED by God Almighty.

And:

"…unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not

enter into the kingdom of heaven." --Matthew 5:20
vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PVE.HTM
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So had you followed the prestine Will of God (the Law and the Prophets which Jesus came not to abolish them) you would have called a Muslim in Arabic language.

And Jesus too had followed the Will of God despite Satan’s temptation and all kinds of harassment and hard time given to him by the puppet Jews of his time

So what was Jesus? A true Muslim of his time.

In Indian sub-continent Muslims are called/known as Musalmaan in their langauge(s), where as the actual Arabic word is either Muslimeen or Muslimoon (plural of Muslim). Does this make any change in the religion of Islam? No. As long as a person believes and follows the tenets of Islam he is a Muslim in Arabic and a Musalmaan in Indian-subcontinent langauge.

Jesus is known as Yasoo;, Eisaa, Yeheshua, Yeshua, Iēsus…ecc. What was his actual precise name given by his mother/angel in his mother-tongue? Certainly not the English word “JESUS”. Does this fact makes Jesus a different person than the one we know by the name Iēsus, or Eisa or Yasoo?

Now you may ask did Jesus proclaim that he was a Muslim? Well, first of all we do not have any precise preachings of Jesus in his own native mother-tongue - Aramaic/Hebrew. He was not a Greek. So it is almost impossible to know what exact word he used to identify his faith and the faith he was preaching. We don’t even know what actuall word he used to call God when he was on the Cross and cried out loudly. Did he cry out ELI in Hebrew or ELOI in Aramaic. Even the supposed inspired writers of two synoptic gospels gives different narratives.

But from few sayings of him which are found in four (4th century canonised) gospels (that are attributed to certain unknown people named as Mark Matthew and luke and Johnn whch are basically in Greek), we do find some hints about the necessity to follow the Will of God meaning to be Muslims:

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Mark 3
31 And his [Jesus,] mother and his brethren came; and standing without, sent unto him, calling him. 32 And the multitude sat about him; and they say to him: Behold thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33 And answering them, he said: Who is my mother and my brethren? 34 And looking round about on them who sat about him, he saith: Behold my mother and my brethren. 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God

, he is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=48&ch=3&l=35&f=s#x
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And Matthew who seems copied from Mark’s gospel, also gives a hint in the same incident:

Matthew 12
50 For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father

is my brother, and sister, and mother."

That heavenly Father is obviously God Almight, as, Jesus in not the Father. It is already proved that Jesus did not claim any divinity.

Matthew 7
21 Not every one

that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.

So just saying/having faith in the Will of God is not enough for salvation/Eternal Life. Calling Jesus Lord is enough. Calling someone Lord means believing in his teachings and Jesus teachings was: follow the Will of God which in Arabic means be Muslims.

Even if you have personal relatioship/biological kisnhip with Jesus…

cont…

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[Analyzer]

**

Even if you have personal relatioship/natural biological kisnhip with Jesus it counts for nothing, unless you follow the Will of God…be a Muslim. So an another Catholic Bible (NAB) clarifies:

32 [46-50] See ⇒ Mark 3:31-35. Matthew has omitted ⇒ Mark 3:20-21 which is taken up in ⇒ Mark 3:31 (see the note on ⇒ Matthew 12:22-32), yet the point of the story is the same in both gospels: natural kinship with Jesus counts for nothing; only one who does the will of his heavenly Father belongs to his true family

**

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PVL.HTM#$31M

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Although verse 47 of Matthew 12 is omitted in some important textual witnesses, including Codex Sinaiticus (original reading) and Codex Vaticanus. which is as this: *(Someone told him, “Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, asking to speak with you.”) *probably Jesus indeed had brothers and Church wanted to hide this fact.This is an another subject to talk, btw.

Even in Hebrews 10 (whose authorship is still uncertain) there is a hint:

36 For patience is necessary for you; that, doing the will of God

, you may receive the promise.

drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=65&ch=10&l=36&f=s#x

As far Judaism, Torah is it’s main theological book. What is Torah? It is the Will of God. So your Catholic Encyclpedia tells us:

Torah, (cf. Hiph. of ), signifies first “direction, instruction”, as, for instance, the instruction of parents (Proverbs 1:8), or of the wise (Proverbs 3:1). It is used chiefly in reference to the Divine instruction, especially through the revelation to Moses, the “Law”, and to the teaching of the Prophets concerning the will of God

newadvent.org/cathen/14779c.htm

If a Jew follow uncorrupted Torah ((the Will of God ) then in Arabic he is a Muslim because he submitted/surrenderded to the Will of God Revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh).

As such, all true Prophets/Messengers of God were MUSLIMS and they preach ISLAM of their time-period whose core message was always same.

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[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

…If Mohammad was the Seal of Prophets, why do Muslims reject Bahá’u’lláh as their prophet since he was a Muslim himself? .

lol…what’s the meaning ? Seal of the Prophets means no new Prophet will come after Muhammed (p) . So , why Muslims should accept Bahaullah or any othe Muslim as Prophet ?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

I believe Muhammad was influenced by a demon, .

very funny . U really believe demon taught Muhammed (p) to recite Quran like this :

So when you recite the Qur’an,
[first] seek refuge in Allaah ( God ) from Satan,
the expelled [from His mercy].” [Quran 16:98].

Satan also taught him : do not follow the footsteps of Satan , he is your enemy etc etc ?

 

[planten]

Planten,

With respect to Abraham your father whose faith saved him and those who are with him including Ishmael your own forefather, cast away with his mother Hagar but God blessed him also to multiply as great nation. In this respect, the Vatican recognized the plan for salvation for the muslim because of their faith from the father Abraham. The Bible teaches us the story from Abraham to Isaac, Jacob,to Moses, Joseph, and then to Jesus. The story of the Bible was about the chosen people and the chosen land because from them God’s power and glory can be told. You have the old testament that was full of fighting and forgiveness which is to show how God will be known to people at that time The ten commandments was laid down to them and the law which Moses wrote according to God speaking through him. Christianity was founded afterwards.

**Your paras are too long. Discuss one thing at a time. Hagar and ishmael were not cast away. They were left at that place under divine guidance. We do not say that sarah was jealous and greedy. It is all made up story of the story writers.

There was a vast land available and no problem about any inheritance. Abraham could have settled Ishmael quite near Kana’an. But it was under divine plan as guided by God That he took his wife and the very young child and left them there in the wilderness which is now called Makkah. There was nothing there to be seen, no shelter.

Blessing is from God, not any person. God had announced blessings for Ishmael too, the senior first born son of Abraham of old age who brought light into the house of Abraham. He opened the way for sarah to bear a child. Otherwise she was hopeless and fully surrendered.**

Jesus Christ story is not just like any other man made story. It was written by men who witnessed and heard the accounts of people around him when He walked on earth. . He warned us of many false prophets also. He died for our sins, and by conquering death the devil was subdued, and His resurrection promise us life that is everlasting.

Thanks for admitting that bible is a man made book written by men. Witnesses are every where. Do you know that the man who defeated the Pagans of Arabia and later faced teh enmity of the (Roman) christians did not make history? He and his menmade greater history. Please read the Book " 100 Greatest Men of the World…"

600 years after His death, muhammed was born from pagan family. There are no prophesy that this man will be born to get favor from God. History can only tell the story of muhammed and we all know it was not a good story. However, muhammed wanted the knowledge of knowing the God of the Jews and the Christians and while he was moving around the peninsula as a little boy accompanying his merchant father, he heard many teachings from the Jewish and Christian men and women who also roamed the peninsula to preach God’s word. The peninsula at that time was a lawless region. As muhammed grew, he married a wealthy and older merchant woman. His knowledge of the Bible lead him to preach also but when rejected at the start he proclaimed a revelation that was allegedly told to him by the Angel Gabriel in the cave. No one witnessed his sightings with the Angel but told his wife about it, who wrote it in a papyrus, but the goat had eaten them. So the revelation became a memorized revelations that was told to men who wrote it down for him. Now after 200 years, the quran is composed with the help of his followers and their good memory.

Muhammad’s father had died before his birth. He did not learna nything from the christian traders who were already misled in their faith. How could Muhammad learn strict Unitarian faith from the followers of Trinity. You are writing a new history by yourself.

The quran taught respect for the Book and the people of the Book. It has the account of Jesus’ birth by Mary and muhammed believed that Jesus’ birth was conceived by Mary without a human father but a spirit. Muhammed called Jesus just one of the prophets and He is not even considered in the level of muhammed. As the writings in the quran keep going, the respect of the people of the Book became the disbelievers who should be slaughtered if not exiled. The holy war or “jihad” must be practiced by every muslims to ensure that the world will believe in islam.

Islam teaches Tolerance. It says there is no Compulsion in religion. Bible does not even say that. Those people of the bo****ok became enemies of Muhammad. They were criminals (Kafirs).

As I understand it, muslims was deceived by muhammed instead of keeping the faith of the father Abraham. The deception led many followers of muhammed to practice a religion contrary to the “love” of God for His people. Muslims should restore their faith what Ishmael and Esau believed then to received grace from God. It would be much better if they understand how Jesus wanted to save them also,

Jesus was for the Jews who did not accept him and do not accept him even now. Muhammad is a true follower of the faith of his forefather Abraham. Abraham had prayed for a prophet to be sent amongst the people in Arabia and Muhammad is the answer of that prayer.

 

[planten]

Originally Posted by cathopologist

…If Mohammad was the Seal of Prophets, why do Muslims reject Bahá’u’lláh as their prophet since he was a Muslim himself? .

**You are way off the mark. First bahaullah shoud claim that he is a prophet of God then I will consider his request. He claimed to be God himself who revealed message to others. And he abrogated the Islamic Sharia and wrote his own book of codes.

So it better to understand about Bahaullah first.**

 

[rikkk1958]

Planten, your intellect really is no doubt troublesome for people who reads your post. Of course the scriptures were written by men! If not men, then who? Of course God has to inspire men to write and the inspirations were revelations from God and even spoke to them what to write, And this where quran and the Holy Bible differs because the Holy Bible is much much more ahead of the quran, it’s superiority in writing is much much evident than the quran, and the evidences that the Holy Bible offers are much much too believable, factual, and historically connected even for thousand of years that had passed from books to books or story to story. Even the prophesies are connected from generation to generation.

I think the problem is because you do not put yourself to be open minded just like we do on how we read your quran, We read it the way it needs to be understood and check how it would be interpreted considering how and why it was put into writing.

 

[Angelos]

The Koran denies the Islamic allegation that no new prophet will come after Mohammad. This is because the only verse designating Mohammad as the seal of prophets implies that a new prophet with A new Law/book will come after him. Mohammad is said to be the seal of NABI, not of RASUL! (Rasul means a messenger bringing a new Law/Scripture for guidance). According to the Islamic terminology, Mohammad is both a Nabi and a Rasul (because of the Koran). However, he is claimed to be the last of Nabis, not of Rasuls! Muslims should reconsider Bahaullah’s claims.

 

[Lisa44]

Salaam/peace

very funny . U really believe demon taught Muhammed (p) to recite Quran like this :

So when you recite the Qur’an,
[first] seek refuge in Allaah ( God ) from Satan,
the expelled [from His mercy].” [Quran 16:98].

Satan also taught him : do not follow the footsteps of Satan , he is your enemy etc etc ?

Well, he convinced him that Jesus was not the Son of God.

My understanding of spirits leads me to believe that he was under the influence of a demonic presense. The Holy Spirit and angels do not make dogs bark and go crazy. Quite the opposite.

I encourage you to do some research into evil spirits and you will see that the dog’s reaction is typical to an evil spirit.

It is you that is funny.

I noticed that you didn’t defend Muhammad for killing all the dogs in his area. Do you also find this strange behavior for a ‘prophet’? Or do you also think that dogs are evil?

 

[cathopologist]

Salaam/peace

lol…what’s the meaning ? Seal of the Prophets means no new Prophet will come after Muhammed (p) . So , why Muslims should accept Bahaullah or any othe Muslim as Prophet ?

Exactly why i said there cannot be two distinctive persons - each claiming to be the Seal. Bahá’u’lláh was born a Muslim, in case you didn’t know and he’s also called the Seal of Prophets, thus bringing Mohammad’s “prophethood” and “Seal” into question. God cannot lie, remember?

 

[Nickkname]

Hey Planten, I heard you’re a heretical Muslim. Heard it from another Muslim.

Also, I like how you hit and run - you know, post a reply but give no evidence for what you claim? It really “helps” your credibility.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

…I noticed that you didn’t defend Muhammad for killing all the dogs in his area.

never heard of such incident .Pl. give source / more info. Thanks.

 

[Analyzer]

The Koran denies the Islamic allegation that no new prophet will come after Mohammad.

The Message of Islam was Completed with the Mission of Last Prophet of Islam. So there will be no new Prophet nor new Messenger to come till the Last Day.

As far so many different flavours of Christianity, first, none of these falvours seems taught by Jesus. What we are given in the name of Christianity is basically misunderstandings and hotch-potch theologies of those people who in their mind are following Jesus Christ, when the fact of the matter is ( after a carefull examination of their claims/understandings) they are basically following Saul/Paul and not Jesus.

But as far Jesus’ Mission --which was actually limited to the lost sheep of house of Israel–was not really completed as he (Jesus) had much more to tell you, but his Jewish nation could not bear at that time and someone else - an another Spirit of Truth - had to come who could guide and tell the whole truth…who could not speak on his own, but speak what he hears, and declare to you the things that are to come.

Jesus was a man who has told you this truth that he heard from God, because Jesus being a man was not God. If he was God, then as God he could not die. If God did not die then what is significant to you in the death of a man? Many godly people (or Biblical “gods”) have died before, as, all Jews were gods. And there were gods–among these gods/sons of the Most High–who have killed their own Prophets sent by God.

But the idea that Jesus died for your sins/your salvation, becomes deadliest wrong if Jesus was dead as a man and not as God. Now you prove it to me that Jesus died as God.

And as far your comment on Koran, again, you are not yet done with your own Holy Bibles. You first need to learn your Holy Bibles thoroughly before coming to Holy Scriptures of other religions.

j14drb

 

[Angelos]

The Message of Islam was Completed with the Mission of Last Prophet of Islam. So there will be no new Prophet nor new Messenger to come till the Last Day.

As far so many different flavours of Christianity, first, none of these falvours seems taught by Jesus. What we are given in the name of Christianity is basically misunderstandings and hotch-potch theologies of those people who in their mind are following Jesus Christ, when the fact of the matter is ( after a carefull examination of their claims/understandings) they are basically following Saul/Paul and not Jesus.

But as far Jesus’ Mission --which was actually limited to the lost sheep of house of Israel–was not really completed as he (Jesus) had much more to tell you, but his Jewish nation could not bear at that time and someone else - an another Spirit of Truth - had to come who could guide and tell the whole truth…who could not speak on his own, but speak what he hears, and declare to you the things that are to come.

Jesus was a man who has told you this truth that he heard from God, because Jesus being a man was not God. If he was God, then as God he could not die. If God did not die then what is significant to you in the death of a man? Many godly people (or Biblical “gods”) have died before, as, all Jews were gods. And there were gods–among these gods/sons of the Most High–who have killed their own Prophets sent by God.

But the idea that Jesus died for your sins/your salvation, becomes deadliest wrong if Jesus was dead as a man and not as God. Now you prove it to me that Jesus died as God.

And as far your comment on Koran, again, you are not yet done with your own Holy Bibles. You first need to learn your Holy Bibles thoroughly before coming to Holy Scriptures of other religions.

I see that you have difficulty understanding my posts in English. Since I cannot write in Arabic, I could only ask for help from a Christian whose mother tongue is Arabic.

It is also saddening to see that you hate Christ and His truth. This hatred and spite of yours have almost turned into an incurable sickness. You start prating about Paul and Christianity even when I quote a few verses from the Koran to debunk the traditional Islamic lies/allegations about Mohammad’s mission.

Hopeless case!

 

[dolphinlove]

I see that you have difficulty understanding my posts in English. Since I cannot write in Arabic, I could only ask for help from a Christian whose mother tongue is Arabic.

It is also saddening to see that you hate Christ and His truth. This hatred and spite of yours have almost turned into an incurable sickness. You start prating about Paul and Christianity even when I quote a few verses from the Koran to debunk the traditional Islamic lies/allegations about Mohammad’s mission.

Hopeless case!

My dear friend Angelos, for one time, im going to have to disagree with you… yes…
Not one of God’s children is a hopeless case. All they have to do is soften their hearts and accept Jesus into it. Jesus will get multiuser names to surrender his heart to him.
But, of course, i do agree with you 99.99999999999999999% of the time

 

[Analyzer]

It is also saddening to see that you hate Christ and His truth.

I already answer your repeated allegation in an another thread. Here again, since you raised it here:

**Clearly you are don’t pay attention to what Islam and Muslims say.

No muslim is a muslim if he blames any prophet/messenger of God. Period.

So there is no way that Islam/Muslim will blame Jesus Christ (pbuh).

Muslims actually blame the MISUNDERSTADINGS of all of your Churches/Denominations/Sects who in their mind are following Jesus Christ, when the fact of the matter is they basically follow St. Saul/Paul.**

And keep this too in your mind:

**Jesus will judge you (Jews and those who in their mind are following him). Not the Muslims. Because Jesus was a Muslim. He cannot judge Muslims because Muslims are already with Jesus Christ (pbuh).

Jesus will throw you out by saying: “Depart from me…I never knew you” why? Because you call him Lord and then instead of following him, following his enemy Saul/Paul.

Second, Jesus’ metaphorical Father (God Almighty) is greater than him, and that Father is Father of all every Tom, D i c k and Harry including Hitler, Mussoulini, Bloody Mary, Crusaders ecc…

Third, Jesus is not God to judge the whole mankind, nor he claimed to be God, as, he was a** man, a son of man repeatedly mentioned even in your proven altered texts of the Holy Bibles.

Jesus ( being a Jew) may be a god or a son of the Most High (Biblically) just like how all Jews are gods and sons of the Most High (Pslam 81/82).

God doesn’t die. If you say: “Why you are liiting God? God can die too”, then I would say: “The God you believe who can die too (even for three days and three nights) or go to bathroom for call of nature, is not my God. I believe in Eternal God and not in a dead/dying/once dead God”.