"Seusscharist" by Episcopal church in Pittsburgh

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This is not good, this is not right.
The link won’t work for me tonight!
 
DeaconsSon87 said:
Read it and weep:

calvarypgh.org/seuss/Seusscharist-CalvaryPittsburgh.pdf

I do not like this here or there…I do not like this ANYWHERE!
I do not like this rite I find…Episcopals have lost their mind.
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Oh come on, I don’t think this Rite was developed to replace Rite I in the Book of Common Prayer. But if it’s intention is to get grade school aged kids participating and interested in Liturgy, I think it’s brilliant. Nothing is more boring to a kid than chanting, “And with thy spirit.”

We should all be so clever to get our grade schoolers involved, participating and excited in Worship and Liturgy.
 
Mikeoffaith said:
Oh come on, I don’t think this Rite was developed to replace Rite I in the Book of Common Prayer. But if it’s intention is to get grade school aged kids participating and interested in Liturgy, I think it’s brilliant. Nothing is more boring to a kid than chanting, “And with thy spirit.”

We should all be so clever to get our grade schoolers involved, participating and excited in Worship and Liturgy.
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Here’s a part I think is, well bad judgement.

Almighty God, who gave us fun all this week

You try getting the grieving widow to say those words. The child who just went to grandma’s wake a few days earlier. The person who just got laid off or fired from their job and the rent is due and their child is sick.
 
Forgive them, Father; they do not know what they are doing.
 
Everyone knows about my feelings toward the Episcopal Church. But I will say that ALL churches have their loons. Look at Mahoney in L.A. for the Catholics and the “liturgical dance!!” oh man. The first time I saw that nonsense I about fell off my chair. Utter nonsense! There are some pretty bizarre things in the Catholic world, Lutheran, Anglican, and the other quarters of Christendom.

I never liked Dr. Seuss. Too cliche, too repetiive, corney. Shel Silverstein, now there was a genius! 😛
 
I fear that this will turn more young people’s hearts away from God. I can’t imagine someone letting a liturgical abuse go on like this.

Here’s their email: calvary@calvarypgh.org
 
Mikeoffaith said:
Oh come on, I don’t think this Rite was developed to replace Rite I in the Book of Common Prayer. But if it’s intention is to get grade school aged kids participating and interested in Liturgy, I think it’s brilliant. Nothing is more boring to a kid than chanting, “And with thy spirit.”
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Personally, when I was in elementary school I found Mass fascinating. Not that I didn’t get bored, fidget a bit, and do all the other little kid things, but when I was paying attention (which happened occasionally) I picked up on the idea that something special was happening. I can guarantee if mass had been just like any other of the thousand little-kid-Dr.-Seuss style things I saw in any given week then the Mass would have seemed… just like any other of the thousand little-kid-Dr.-Seuss style things I saw in any given week, except also one where I had to sit still and be respectful. I’d still have been bored, but bored without that occasional sense of mystery.
 
Seusscharist? “Make holy this food to put us in the mood”?

No. :mad:
 
Whoa! That’s blasphemy! Thankfully Episcopalians don’t have valid apostolic succession so they don’t have a valid Eucharist! Otherwise, my outrage would be much much worse!
 
Pretty uncharitable dig, Holly. Cheap shot.
Holly3278 said:
Whoa! That’s blasphemy! Thankfully Episcopalians don’t have valid apostolic succession so they don’t have a valid Eucharist! Otherwise, my outrage would be much much worse!
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Children….
 
Mikeoffaith said:
Oh come on, I don’t think this Rite was developed to replace Rite I in the Book of Common Prayer. But if it’s intention is to get grade school aged kids participating and interested in Liturgy, I think it’s brilliant. Nothing is more boring to a kid than chanting, “And with thy spirit.”

We should all be so clever to get our grade schoolers involved, participating and excited in Worship and Liturgy.
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I have attended a “U2-charist” at an Episcopal church before…all the music from U2 was used during the liturgy…teens and young adults who love U2 filled the sanctuary to capacity. The music and presentation “spoke to their condition.”

I thought it was great as well.
 
DeaconsSon87 said:
Read it and weep:

calvarypgh.org/seuss/Seusscharist-CalvaryPittsburgh.pdf

I do not like this here or there…I do not like this ANYWHERE!
I do not like this rite I find…Episcopals have lost their mind.
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Not to worry, no tears to be shed here.

I wouldn’t get to excited over this. It appears nothing more then a different attempt to make it fun for the kids to learn as opposed to feeding them the standard ritual that I as a child found to be incredibly boring.

I’m kind of mystified as to why you would be so upset over this; it really doesn’t have an impact on you directly. Its something the Episcopal Church did, not the Catholic Church.
 
I would need Dramamine and a barf bag if I went to such a liturgy. I would be too appauled, angry, and disgusted to function! U2? give me a break…Bono and the Edge do not belong in a Church, period…what’s next? Liturgical dance with Busta Rimes and Public Enemy? :rolleyes:
Publisher said:
I have attended a “U2-charist” at an Episcopal church before…all the music from U2 was used during the liturgy…teens and young adults who love U2 filled the sanctuary to capacity. The music and presentation “spoke to their condition.”

I thought it was great as well.
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gamewell45 said:
I’m kind of mystified as to why you would be so upset over this; it really doesn’t have an impact on you directly. Its something the Episcopal Church did, not the Catholic Church.
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I don’t think this was directed at me, but gonna throw out my two cents worth any way.

First, we worry about things that don’t impact us directly all the time. For example, violence in Africa by one culture we don’t understand towards another culture we don’t understand.

But that aside, in this case I am concerned because I see a group of people taking, if I understand correctly or if Episcopal belief about the Eucharist is close to Catholic belief on the subject, what they believe to be a ritual that has at its center a participation in the Sacrifice of Christ on the cross at Calvary - an actual ceremony that transcends time and space and results in the reception of the actual Body of Christ by the congregation - and trying to phrase it in Seuss speak or surrounding it by U2 music.

As a Catholic I may not believe that this is actually happening in the Episcopal Church, but it troubles me when those that do think that it is ok to take this most sacred of moments and say “Make holy this food to put us in the mood” for the sole purpose of hoping to appeal to some other people. The very name “Seusscharist” puts my teeth on edge simply because it sounds like a trivialization of that which should never, if the Eucharist is in fact the Eucharist and in any case for any reason, be treated as anything less than the most holy, most important, most sacred thing in the universe.

Essentially, it seems to me like direct disrespect towards God, even if that is certainly not the intention.
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
I would need Dramamine and a barf bag if I went to such a liturgy. I would be too appauled, angry, and disgusted to function! U2? give me a break…Bono and the Edge do not belong in a Church, period…what’s next? Liturgical dance with Busta Rimes and Public Enemy? :rolleyes:
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Personally I’d love to see The Rolling Stones do the Liturgical Dance; I think it’d add a whole new meaning to it. 😉
 
I’m the mom of a 7 year old boy. While I can POSSIBLY understand this as “reaching out to kids” I can tell you EXACTLY what would happen in my home. But for a little background, let’s discuss his responses to communion thus far. All of these experiences are from the past 2 months.

CM&A Church (prior to beginning attending Mass):

We attended a service with communion. I did my best to explain ahead of time what communion was, why it was an important sacrament, etc. It was our second service at that church. He sat still, paid attention, and tried to understand. I thought he was doing pretty good until he quietly asked me why he couldn’t go up and get snacks too. I can understand. Leavened bread in a basket and little “juice cups”. Kinda looked like snack time to me too.

Catholic Mass:

It was our first Mass as a family. I had done the same speech now adding “this is a Catholic Church, we can’t take communion because we aren’t allowed to have the Sacrament until we’re done with school” shtick. The Father came out ahead of time and talked to us along with the RE/DS’s CCD teacher (who was also kind enough to sit with us). They explained to him that he couldn’t have the Eucharist yet, but that he COULD come up and be blessed and showed him how to cross his arms.

He treated the ENTIRE service with the utmost reverence. He knelt, stood, and sat with the adults, tried to follow along in the adult missal, and worked hard to keep up. At the time of the Eucharist, he went up, crossed his arms, and was blessed. After the Mass he talked about it for DAYS.

What would THIS “Seusscharist” bring? NOTHING BUT GIGGLES. Trust me. NOTHING BUT GIGGLES. Kids don’t read Dr. Seuss to get a hidden message. Sure, it’s there in books like “Oh, the Places You’ll Go” but they aren’t looking for it, it’s just implied by a fun story and great illustrations. Kids read Dr. Seuss to laugh. It’s FUN. It’s meant to be FUN.

The Eucharist is not FUN. It’s not a party. It’s a solemn Sacrament designed to bring us closer to Christ. If we want children to respect it, we need to explain it with the appropriate reverence with love in our hearts.
 
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