Seventh Day Adventists, End Times, and False Prophets

[pedja]

Maria1212;2031705:

I didn`t want this question to get lost in the shuffle. Was her prediction merely her personal opinion, and not that of a prophet?

Sorry Maria, I really cant help you on all that because I am honestly not an expert on Ellen White. I also dont know what Greenwood Bible you mean nor do I know who publishes what. The name Adventism does not mean to me what it maybe means to some other people, I dont know if I am the exception here but if you`re really looking for contradictions you surely got loads within the catholic church as well (Evolution/Creation).

I only read the Desire of Ages from EGW and The Great Controversy, partially, so I cant comment too much on that

 

[amills]

Is the Clearwood Bible considered official Adventist doctrine? Are its contents considered personal opinion (which means subject to debate and could contain errors) or is it considered revelation?

Are all books sold under Adventist publishing companies considered official doctrine?

Sincerely,

Maria1212

The Clearword Bible is actually not a translation of the Bible at all. It is simply a paraphrase of the bible done. It is not official doctrine. Not all books sold under Adventists publishing companies are considered doctrine. For example, Dr. Bacchiocchi is a noted Adventist theologist whose work has created some controversy. Some will agree with his theology and others reject it.

 

[6YRSHOME]

So are things declared by the General Conference Official?

 

[amills]

So are things declared by the General Conference Official?

Yes, the General Conference declares what is official. The last official belief was added I think in 2000 - it is a belief about a new heaven and a new earth. I have not been able to get a clear understanding of the reason behind this addition yet. To me is seems like something the JWs believe. Is there anyone who can explain this new belief added by the General conference?

 

[Maria1212]

The Clearword Bible is actually not a translation of the Bible at all. It is simply a paraphrase of the bible done. It is not official doctrine. Not all books sold under Adventists publishing companies are considered doctrine. For example, Dr. Bacchiocchi is a noted Adventist theologist whose work has created some controversy. Some will agree with his theology and others reject it.

Thank you Amills! This is the answer that I was looking for. Aside from the Adventist website posting their official beliefs, I often have a hard time understanding what is an "official " Adventist belief, and what is personal opinion. It seems that within the Adventist Church today, there are a lot of theological points under debate (or simply ignored by some).

Thanks for clearing this up!

Sincerely,

Maria1212

 

[Maria1212]

Maria1212;2033300:

Sorry Maria, I really cant help you on all that because I am honestly not an expert on Ellen White. I also dont know what Greenwood Bible you mean nor do I know who publishes what. The name Adventism does not mean to me what it maybe means to some other people, I dont know if I am the exception here but if you`re really looking for contradictions you surely got loads within the catholic church as well (Evolution/Creation).

I only read the Desire of Ages from EGW and The Great Controversy, partially, so I cant comment too much on that

How do you feel the Catholic Church contradicts the Bible on creation? What are some other contradictions? Why don`t we open a new thread to discuss this, and we can post the link here so others can follow.

Let me know if you would like to do this. I am off to Mass but will log on later today.

Sincerely,

Maria1212

 

[6YRSHOME]

Maybe someone can answer this. If the Clear Word is a parahrase of the Bible why does it have Bible in the title. Doesn’t that make it confusing, and lead people to think that it is just another translation than a paraphrase? Was the Clear Word approved by the General Conference?

 

[pedja]

pedja;2033318:

How do you feel the Catholic Church contradicts the Bible on creation? What are some other contradictions? Why don`t we open a new thread to discuss this, and we can post the link here so others can follow.

Let me know if you would like to do this. I am off to Mass but will log on later today.

Sincerely,

Maria1212

Im going to bed now because its 4 a.m. in England, but I`ll check in tomorrow so we can talk about the creation stuff if you want.

Have a blessed time, see ya later.

Peace

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[amills]

Maybe someone can answer this. If the Clear Word is a parahrase of the Bible why does it have Bible in the title. Doesn’t that make it confusing, and lead people to think that it is just another translation than a paraphrase? Was the Clear Word approved by the General Conference?

It was simply one man’s interpretation of the bible. He thought the way he wrote it (including his SDA interpretation of passages) would enable others to more clearly understand Adventist theology the way he did. Yes it is deceiving to have the word Bible in the title but I don’t know that it was intented to be deceiving. I think the author simply wanted to write the bible in a way that some who have a difficult time understanding the bible could do so by putting it in clear English. Remember the Adventists use the King James version of the bible. The old English can be very difficult to understand. As Catholics we have a choice of very good translations that are clear. In a way that is what was intended with this book but unfortunately it lacked the scholarship that goes behind the Catholic translations.

I don’t believe it has ever been declared an official bible by the General conference.

 

[6YRSHOME]

How do so many sincere Adventists reconcile their doctrine that contradicts Scripture on the end of times and the second coming of Jesus? Do they dismiss this part of Scripture, or do they interpret it differently, or do they claim it is “revelation” and God`s teachings have changed?

From what I have read lately, they tend to gloss over inaccuracies and inconsistancies. That is probably where the Clear Word came into play. They say it is a paraphrase, but I know my family uses it like a Bible translation. ( I’ve tried to point out how it contradicts the Bible to my mother but I don’t think she believes me because I still see her read it all the time.) They still also use E. G. W. frequently in the daily lesson plans.

 

[pedja]

From what I have read lately, they tend to gloss over inaccuracies and inconsistancies. That is probably where the Clear Word came into play. They say it is a paraphrase, but I know my family uses it like a Bible translation. ( I’ve tried to point out how it contradicts the Bible to my mother but I don’t think she believes me because I still see her read it all the time.) They still also use E. G. W. frequently in the daily lesson plans.

You then must know more then me and I attend our church service every sabbath. I never heard of the Clear Word bible until I came to this forum and the majority of adventists use the NKJV or the NRSV version.

 

[SDA2RC]

You then must know more then me and I attend our church service every sabbath. I never heard of the Clear Word bible until I came to this forum and the majority of adventists use the NKJV or the NRSV version.

Pedja,
The Clear Word Bible was written by a former professor at Southern Adventist University… it can be purchased in any ABC, and is still very much in use by Church members. Although, it should be avoided if possible, as it is extremely inaccurate, and written for Adventists to read and feel good about, not for scholarship.

 

[SDA2RC]

Thank you Amills! This is the answer that I was looking for. Aside from the Adventist website posting their official beliefs, I often have a hard time understanding what is an "official " Adventist belief, and what is personal opinion. It seems that within the Adventist Church today, there are a lot of theological points under debate (or simply ignored by some).

Thanks for clearing this up!

Sincerely,

Maria1212

Maria1212,
you are absolutely right, there are A LOT of theological points under debate, and there always will be because of the nature of sola scriptura and private interpretation. There is another movement that seems to be picking up speed… it is called progressive adventism… it basically seeks to downplay or rid the church of the overtly “adventist” doctrines, such as investigative judgment, EGW, Remnant theology, etc. It will be interesting to see how it goes…

 

[Maria1212]

Maria1212,
you are absolutely right, there are A LOT of theological points under debate, and there always will be because of the nature of sola scriptura and private interpretation. There is another movement that seems to be picking up speed… it is called progressive adventism… it basically seeks to downplay or rid the church of the overtly “adventist” doctrines, such as investigative judgment, EGW, Remnant theology, etc. It will be interesting to see how it goes…

Hi Brandon,

I have heard of progressive Adventism and it is intriguing. It seems like some Adventists are trying to distance them from core Adventist beliefs, because they know there are holes in it. But when you take away some of these distinctive characteristics, Adventism becomes “just another Protestant group”. On the other hand, there seems to be another group within Adventism clinging faithfully to Ellen White and what she taught. It seems like progressive Adventism has a longer chance of surviving. Then, just as with other denominations, many Adventists are more middle of the road.

I have major problems with Adventist doctrine, and the way some choose to evangelize without making their affiliation known, not to mention the way they promote falsehoods about the Catholic Church. But I do admire the sincerity of many Adventists, their efforts and yearnings to be close to Christ, and their healthy lifestyle!!

Sincerely,

Maria1212

 

[6YRSHOME]

I have heard of progressive Adventism and it is intriguing. It seems like some Adventists are trying to distance them from core Adventist beliefs, because they know there are holes in it. But when you take away some of these distinctive characteristics, Adventism becomes “just another Protestant group”. On the other hand, there seems to be another group within Adventism clinging faithfully to Ellen White and what she taught. It seems like progressive Adventism has a longer chance of surviving. Then, just as with other denominations, many Adventists are more middle of the road./QUOTE]

Do you think that they can still cling to their end times beliefs without clinging to their anti-Catholic stance? Without the “Advent” part of their dogma, you’re right, they beome not much more than “Seventh Day Babtists”. But I will have to read more of what the new movement believes.

I have major problems with Adventist doctrine, and the way some choose to evangelize without making their affiliation known, not to mention the way they promote falsehoods about the Catholic Church. But I do admire the sincerity of many Adventists, their efforts and yearnings to be close to Christ, and their healthy
lifestyle!!