Seventh-day Adventist's Sabbath and Catholic's Sunday

[pablope]

rev 22:14 those who keep his commandments , they will have the right to the tree of life
john: and this how we know we love GOD ,we keep his commandments and they are not burdensome. We keep the commandments because we love GOD, no other reason, grace by faith in Jesus Christ is our salvation. cut your grass do your laundry on Saturday is wrong, do it on sunday after church is okay

House of one…a question for you…how do you know that what you have been saying and posting here about the Christian sabbath is the truth? How can I tell if you are telling the truth?

And are you familiar with 1john4?

1 John 4

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Haver you tested the spirits as this verse says?

And v says…6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

So…how have you fulfilled V6? Can you name the Apostolic authority you have submitted to here on earth?

 

[spina1953]

Jesus at the Last Supper made a new and everlasting Covenant. Now, it seems to me that if the Apostles decided to worship this on Sunday the first day of the week as they understood their week days, and Sunday was the day in which they gathered to worship God through Jesus the Christ, they were led to that conclusion to do so by the Holy Spirit.
Now if the Sabbath day was to still be observed why on earth would the Apostles not continue to do so and why did they not preach that Saturday was and is the Sabbath day and not Sunday a day in which to worship God? So far as I can see in reading the New Testament, the reason why the Apostles worshiped on Sunday is because that is the day in which Jesus rose from the dead. It also shows a break with Jewish traditions, since Jewish religious leaders of the day decided that Christians were no longer allowed in the Temple nor in the synagogues, which many of the early Christians did along with the Apostles yet they also worshiped remembering Jesus telling them to remember to do this in memory of me. Also after Jesus rose from the dead He continued to teach the Apostles and would Jesus have said or told the Apostles to keep the Jewish Sabbath day? Jesus told the Apostles that He would send the Holy Spirit to remind them of all that He had taught them, that being the case, if they were to worship on Saturday the Sabbath then they of course would have done so and not go against what they were taught by Christ Himself.

 

[housefone]

there is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath/ SDA Sabbath, at creation GOD created the Sabbath. SUNDAY MORNING (THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (MATT28) ) JESUS found them not at a temple or church but in the streets of the village. Jesus said he came to live by the Commandments not to destroy them. What he gave was essentially the ten commandments for dummies; LOVE THE LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. COMMANDMENTS 1-4 ARE ABOUT GOD, 5-10 HOW WE ACT TOWARDS OUR FELLOW MAN. GOD CREATED THE DAY OF REST, JESUS IS THE KEEPER (LORD) OF THE SABBATH. IF YOU BELIEVE IN EASTER SUNDAY (THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (MATT28)), THEN YOU BELIEVE THAT THE 7TH DAY (SATURDAY) IS THE SABBATH DAY (MATT28).

TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS

 

[spina1953]

First of all let me correct your thinking. ! God did not create the Sabbath. God rested on the 7th day, God did not say it was the Sabbath day. The Sabbath is Jewish since it is in the O.T. ,which is among other things a history of the Jewish people and God’s interaction with them. The Ten Commandments say to keep the Lords day holy but does not say what day that is. Who did Jesus find in the streets of the Village? When Jesus rose from the dead it was outside of Jerusalem which was not a village.
The Ten Commandments were given to Moses, yet, there is nothing that says what day of the week is to be the Sabbath. Abraham is the father of the Jewish people but no where does it say that he worshiped on the Sabbath or what day that is when Abraham did offer worship. I would also like to point out that the Sabbath is a Jewish thing since we do not hear of outsiders like pagans worshiping on a day that they call a Sabbath. lack of understanding Scripture and pulling out of context is what causes confusion nad misunderstanding of what it really is saying and intending.

 

[housefone]

4th commandment: REMEMBER the Sabbath day is what GOD tell Moses, you can’t remember it if it never happened. The word Sabbath means rest, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, in you shall not work, you your family, your servants, nor the stranger in your land. What is a Christian; someone who believes and follows Christ. Peter, Paul, and Simon were followers of Christ, and they preached and observed the Sabbath, just like Jesus himself.

 

[spina1953]

After spending some time in researching the Sabbath I found that in the Law of Moses that the Law was given to lead Israel to Christ. The ceremonial observance replaces that of the Sabbath in Christ’s passover Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of Jesus’ Sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ.
First of all I could find no where anything that said that the Catholic Church did away with the Sabbath. And in fact Catholic’s celebrate the Lord’s day which the Sabbath points toward.

 

[Pythons]

4th commandment: REMEMBER the Sabbath day is what GOD tell Moses, you can’t remember it if it never happened. The word Sabbath means rest, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, in you shall not work, you your family, your servants, nor the stranger in your land. What is a Christian; someone who believes and follows Christ. Peter, Paul, and Simon were followers of Christ, and they preached and observed the Sabbath, just like Jesus himself.

God also said something about fire on the Sabbath and not wearing certain fabrics…
…Do you also do what God said about those things?
…If you don’t observe those and other things what justification do you appeal to in rejecting them?

 

[housefone]

and what fabrics are those, I remember my 1960’s catechism saying remember Sunday the first day of the week as the day of rest and worship .
I also tithe and rely on GOD not birth-control…
and yes the ten commandments were written in stone…
its GOD’s ten commandments, not the Jews, the SDA’s, nor the Catholic Church

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

and yes the ten commandments were written in stone…

Hi housefone,

Yes the 10 commandments were written in stone. And God’s love and mercy and salvation is written in flesh and blood. The flesh and blood He became for our sakes in the man Jesus Christ. Both what was written in stone by God and what is written in the flesh and blood of Jesus Chirst, reveal God’s character to mankind. Only what God wrote in the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ reveals more fully and completely God’s charachter, love, mercy, forgiveness, and life. What God wrote in stone, while not to be discarded, comes no where close to what He wrote in flesh and blood. Why? Becuase God did not become stone for our salvation…He became flesh and blood.

I have a question for you. Do you believe that God is eternal and if you do, what about God makes you believe that?

God bless all!!!

 

[Nicea325]

4th commandment: REMEMBER the Sabbath day is what GOD tell Moses, you can’t remember it if it never happened. The word Sabbath means rest, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, in you shall not work, you your family, your servants, nor the stranger in your land. What is a Christian; someone who believes and follows Christ. Peter, Paul, and Simon were followers of Christ, and they preached and observed the Sabbath, just like Jesus himself.

Yes…and the Jewish sabbath was not the fulfillment,even St. Paul says it in Colossians. It is was only a shadow.

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

read what you just wrote. The sabbath is the 7th day after 6 days of work. It is not saying the Sabbath is Saturday. First day of the week, last day of the week is a human creation. Sabbath was made for Man not Man for the Sabbath. If I work six days and rest on the seventh and the Church instituted by Christ determines that is the day of worship then no one is breaking a Commandment. The Commandment is to keep holy the sabbath day. It is the right and authority of the Church to decide which day is the sabbath day. The Sabbath has not been done away with but has been made more perfect for mankind.

Hi vsedriver,

Thank you for pointing this out!

SDAs say that we as Christians are bound by the 10 commandments. The Catholic Church also teaches that we are bound by the 10 commandments, even thought they are a part of the Mosaic Covenant.

But what does the sabbath commandment say? Does is command that God be worshipped on the seventh day?

Ex.20:8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; 11 for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.(RSVCE)

Deut.5:12 “‘Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your manservant, or your maidservant, or your ox, or your ***, or any of your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you. 15 You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.(RSVCE)

There is nothing in the sabbath commandment requiring the worship of God…nothing.

What is required in this commandment is to keep it holy, to rest, and to remember that we were servants in the land of Egypt and that the Lord delivered us with an outstretched arm.

Well, I was not delievered from Egypt, so that part of the commandment can only have symbolic and spiritual meaning for me. It has literal meaning for the ancestors of the people of Israel…the Jewish religion today.

The first thing that applies to me and to all Christians is to keep it holy. What does that mean? Something that is holy, is separate from the profane and dedicated to God. How do I keep the sabbath holy? Just as vsedriver pointed out above. I work 6 days in the week and set aside the 7th day as separate from the day to day duties of the week. Is worship involved in this? Yes, but worship is not commanded in this commandment.

The second thing that applies to me and all Christians is to rest. That is a great gift from God to mankind who work and toil each and every week. And a gift it is becasue it was made for man and given to man by God. When I give somone a gift, I do not tell them how to use it or enjoy it.

Ahhhhh…but God did give the children of Israel instructions regarding the sabbath, outside of this commandment in the 10 commandments. And those instructions did indeed deal with how the children of Israel were to worship God.

Leviticus 23 and Numbers 28 establish what days were to be set apart as “holy convocations” to the Lord God, and these instructions, well, actually these commandments outline the proper worship of God for the children of Israel.

Colossians 2:16-17 says that these days of worship were shadows of the reality who is Jesus Christ, and that they are gone because the reality came! Praise God.

So now, those who are followers of Jesus Christ are still bound by the sabbath commandment to work six days, rest on and keep holy the 7th. And as in the Old Covenant, God has provided instruction as to how Christians are to worship on that holy day through Christ Himself and His Apostles. And what could make any day holier than the day that Jesus Christ, the God-man, rose from the dead and secured our forgiveness and eternal life? And as in the Old Covenant, now in the New and Eternal Covenant, The Church has instittued other meaningful feast days for the worhship of God.

Unfortunately for SDAs and those who join their denomination, they make null and void the Holy Bible by ignoring and doing just what Paul counseled against…that being the judging of others regarding a sabbath day, a new moon, or an annual feast.

The sabbath commandment in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 commands humans to rest and keep that day holy and remember your deliverance from Egypt. Worship is not commanded in this commandment. It is however in the first commandment (Ex.20:1-6; Deut.5:1-10)

God bless all!!!

 

[Pythons]

Hi vsedriver,

Thank you for pointing this out!

SDAs say that we as Christians are bound by the 10 commandments. The Catholic Church also teaches that we are bound by the 10 commandments, even thought they are a part of the Mosaic Covenant.

But what does the sabbath commandment say? Does is command that God be worshipped on the seventh day?

Ex.20:8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; 11 for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.(RSVCE)

Deut.5:12 “‘Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your manservant, or your maidservant, or your ox, or your ***, or any of your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you. 15 You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.(RSVCE)

There is nothing in the sabbath commandment requiring the worship of God…nothing.

What is required in this commandment is to keep it holy, to rest, and to remember that we were servants in the land of Egypt and that the Lord delivered us with an outstretched arm.

Well, I was not delievered from Egypt, so that part of the commandment can only have symbolic and spiritual meaning for me. It has literal meaning for the ancestors of the people of Israel…the Jewish religion today.

The first thing that applies to me and to all Christians is to keep it holy. What does that mean? Something that is holy, is separate from the profane and dedicated to God. How do I keep the sabbath holy? Just as vsedriver pointed out above. I work 6 days in the week and set aside the 7th day as separate from the day to day duties of the week. Is worship involved in this? Yes, but worship is not commanded in this commandment.

The second thing that applies to me and all Christians is to rest. That is a great gift from God to mankind who work and toil each and every week. And a gift it is becasue it was made for man and given to man by God. When I give somone a gift, I do not tell them how to use it or enjoy it.

Ahhhhh…but God did give the children of Israel instructions regarding the sabbath, outside of this commandment in the 10 commandments. And those instructions did indeed deal with how the children of Israel were to worship God.

Leviticus 23 and Numbers 28 establish what days were to be set apart as “holy convocations” to the Lord God, and these instructions, well, actually these commandments outline the proper worship of God for the children of Israel.

Colossians 2:16-17 says that these days of worship were shadows of the reality who is Jesus Christ, and that they are gone because the reality came! Praise God.

So now, those who are followers of Jesus Christ are still bound by the sabbath commandment to work six days, rest on and keep holy the 7th. And as in the Old Covenant, God has provided instruction as to how Christians are to worship on that holy day through Christ Himself and His Apostles. And what could make any day holier than the day that Jesus Christ, the God-man, rose from the dead and secured our forgiveness and eternal life? And as in the Old Covenant, now in the New and Eternal Covenant, The Church has instittued other meaningful feast days for the worhship of God.

Unfortunately for SDAs and those who join their denomination, they make null and void the Holy Bible by ignoring and doing just what Paul counseled against…that being the judging of others regarding a sabbath day, a new moon, or an annual feast.

The sabbath commandment in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 commands humans to rest and keep that day holy and remember your deliverance from Egypt. Worship is not commanded in this commandment. It is however in the first commandment (Ex.20:1-6; Deut.5:1-10)

God bless all!!!

Excellent points!

 

[spina1953]

Hi vsedriver,

Thank you for pointing this out!

SDAs say that we as Christians are bound by the 10 commandments. The Catholic Church also teaches that we are bound by the 10 commandments, even thought they are a part of the Mosaic Covenant.

But what does the sabbath commandment say? Does is command that God be worshipped on the seventh day?

Ex.20:8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; 11 for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.(RSVCE)

Deut.5:12 “‘Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your manservant, or your maidservant, or your ox, or your ***, or any of your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you. 15 You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.(RSVCE)

There is nothing in the sabbath commandment requiring the worship of God…nothing.

What is required in this commandment is to keep it holy, to rest, and to remember that we were servants in the land of Egypt and that the Lord delivered us with an outstretched arm.

Well, I was not delievered from Egypt, so that part of the commandment can only have symbolic and spiritual meaning for me. It has literal meaning for the ancestors of the people of Israel…the Jewish religion today.

The first thing that applies to me and to all Christians is to keep it holy. What does that mean? Something that is holy, is separate from the profane and dedicated to God. How do I keep the sabbath holy? Just as vsedriver pointed out above. I work 6 days in the week and set aside the 7th day as separate from the day to day duties of the week. Is worship involved in this? Yes, but worship is not commanded in this commandment.

The second thing that applies to me and all Christians is to rest. That is a great gift from God to mankind who work and toil each and every week. And a gift it is becasue it was made for man and given to man by God. When I give somone a gift, I do not tell them how to use it or enjoy it.

Ahhhhh…but God did give the children of Israel instructions regarding the sabbath, outside of this commandment in the 10 commandments. And those instructions did indeed deal with how the children of Israel were to worship God.

Leviticus 23 and Numbers 28 establish what days were to be set apart as “holy convocations” to the Lord God, and these instructions, well, actually these commandments outline the proper worship of God for the children of Israel.

Colossians 2:16-17 says that these days of worship were shadows of the reality who is Jesus Christ, and that they are gone because the reality came! Praise God.

So now, those who are followers of Jesus Christ are still bound by the sabbath commandment to work six days, rest on and keep holy the 7th. And as in the Old Covenant, God has provided instruction as to how Christians are to worship on that holy day through Christ Himself and His Apostles. And what could make any day holier than the day that Jesus Christ, the God-man, rose from the dead and secured our forgiveness and eternal life? And as in the Old Covenant, now in the New and Eternal Covenant, The Church has instittued other meaningful feast days for the worhship of God.

Unfortunately for SDAs and those who join their denomination, they make null and void the Holy Bible by ignoring and doing just what Paul counseled against…that being the judging of others regarding a sabbath day, a new moon, or an annual feast.

The sabbath commandment in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 commands humans to rest and keep that day holy and remember your deliverance from Egypt. Worship is not commanded in this commandment. It is however in the first commandment (Ex.20:1-6; Deut.5:1-10)

God bless all!!!

I just have to say that you have hit the nail on the head with your post.

I am not sure but I think that I am misunderstanding something and that is this Sabbath day thinking I have been reading in some of the posts and that is that it has to be on a Saturday to be a Sabbath day of rest. I would have thought that if one works 6 days starting on any day of the week the 7th day would be a day one could rest as was commanded in the OT. I know that as a catholic we generally rest on Sunday and worship the Lord’s day on Sunday just as you stated, yet, from my understanding of some posts that we are wrong in that or that the Catholic Church or the Pope did away with it but no where have I seen that in my reading of catholic history. Since you said you were once a SDA maybe you can enlighten me as t that way of thinking about the Sabbath day reason why it has to be te way the SDA says it is to be. thanks

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

I just have to say that you have hit the nail on the head with your post.

I am not sure but I think that I am misunderstanding something and that is this Sabbath day thinking I have been reading in some of the posts and that is that it has to be on a Saturday to be a Sabbath day of rest. I would have thought that if one works 6 days starting on any day of the week the 7th day would be a day one could rest as was commanded in the OT. I know that as a catholic we generally rest on Sunday and worship the Lord’s day on Sunday just as you stated, yet, from my understanding of some posts that we are wrong in that or that the Catholic Church or the Pope did away with it but no where have I seen that in my reading of catholic history. Since you said you were once a SDA maybe you can enlighten me as t that way of thinking about the Sabbath day reason why it has to be te way the SDA says it is to be. thanks

Hi spina1953,

To put is very simply…the sabbath is saturday, and the Lord’s Day is sunday. This is what is taught by the Catholic Church, and supported by the Sacred Scriptures, as well as the writngs of the ordained Church Leaders as early as the first and second centuries (There is a very good passage from the writings of Justin Martyr from around 150 A.D. that describes the Mass, and confirms the Lord’s Day to be held on Sunday by Christians…let me know if you have not read that and I will post it on this thread).

If you have not done so already, I recommend that you take as much time as you need and read all of “Part Three: Life in Christ” in the Catechism of the Catholic Church…including Section One and Section Two in Part Three.

This lays out the official Catholic teaching on the differences between The Old and The New Covenants.

Click here to go directly to it: Part Three: Life in Christ

Based on what SDAs propogate regarding what the Catholic Church teaches, and knowing all to well from personal experience, it is pretty clear that SDAs never bother to find out what the Catholic Church actually teaches, let alone try to understand it. This is because most SDAs believe that the Catholic Church is satanic and out to deceive the world…therefore most SDAs will not listen to, nor even try to understand what Catholicism teaches, because they are ever on guard against being deceived. When it first began to occur to me that Catholic teaching was the Truth, I was insanely fearful that I was being deceived. A priest I talked with told me to pray about it. That is all he told me to do. I did much much praying…and…well…I am so extremely happy and grateful that God gave me the grace to become Catholic in this world, at the age of 50!!! Praise God!!!

After you read Part Three (with careful attention to Section One, chapter three), if you have any further questions for me I would be more than happy to try to answer them.

But the Catechism is the best place to begin just so you understand the official teaching.

Let me know what you find out and what you think as you read this!

God bless all!!!

 

[spina1953]

Hi spina1953,

To put is very simply…the sabbath is saturday, and the Lord’s Day is sunday. This is what is taught by the Catholic Church, and supported by the Sacred Scriptures, as well as the writngs of the ordained Church Leaders as early as the first and second centuries (There is a very good passage from the writings of Justin Martyr from around 150 A.D. that describes the Mass, and confirms the Lord’s Day to be held on Sunday by Christians…let me know if you have not read that and I will post it on this thread).

If you have not done so already, I recommend that you take as much time as you need and read all of “Part Three: Life in Christ” in the Catechism of the Catholic Church…including Section One and Section Two in Part Three.

This lays out the official Catholic teaching on the differences between The Old and The New Covenants.

Click here to go directly to it: Part Three: Life in Christ

Based on what SDAs propogate regarding what the Catholic Church teaches, and knowing all to well from personal experience, it is pretty clear that SDAs never bother to find out what the Catholic Church actually teaches, let alone try to understand it. This is because most SDAs believe that the Catholic Church is satanic and out to deceive the world…therefore most SDAs will not listen to, nor even try to understand what Catholicism teaches, because they are ever on guard against being deceived. When it first began to occur to me that Catholic teaching was the Truth, I was insanely fearful that I was being deceived. A priest I talked with told me to pray about it. That is all he told me to do. I did much much praying…and…well…I am so extremely happy and grateful that God gave me the grace to become Catholic in this world, at the age of 50!!! Praise God!!!

After you read Part Three (with careful attention to Section One, chapter three), if you have any further questions for me I would be more than happy to try to answer them.

But the Catechism is the best place to begin just so you understand the official teaching.

Let me know what you find out and what you think as you read this!

God bless all!!!

Hi: Patrick Murebil: I understand what you are saying. However, I do everyday read the CCC as well as the Bible. I know that the Jewish Sabbath is Sat. and that it prefigures the Lords Day which is Sunday. it is confusing what the SDA say and hard to understand their thinking on the matter as with everything that they believe in. So I am in complete agreement with you on what you said about the CC part 3. section 1 chp… 3 so I do know and understand the official Catholic teachings. Thanks for answering my question as per the SDA thing.

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

Hi: Patrick Murebil: I understand what you are saying. However, I do everyday read the CCC as well as the Bible. I know that the Jewish Sabbath is Sat. and that it prefigures the Lords Day which is Sunday. it is confusing what the SDA say and hard to understand their thinking on the matter as with everything that they believe in. So I am in complete agreement with you on what you said about the CC part 3. section 1 chp… 3 so I do know and understand the official Catholic teachings. Thanks for answering my question as per the SDA thing.

Hi spina1953,

Yes, I agree that what the SDA say and teach is confusing and hard to understand. That is because they have entered into studying the scriptures as a means to support the writings and teaching of Ellen Gould White.

It is not the Bible Story they desire to understand. Their purpose it justify and uphold as “truth” the Ellen Gould White story. That is why you and I can look at scripture, for example, the creation story, and understand that it is not literal and scientific, but spiritual and True.

For example, on the first day of the week, God said let there be light and there was…and the evening and the morning were the first day. And yet, the sun and moon and stars were not created until the fourth day in Genesis chapter 1.

Another example, SDAs say that God commanded Adam and Eve to keep the sabbath day in the garden of Eden…one day every week before the Fall. Genesis chapter 1 does not say that anywhere. My question is, if Adam and Eve were living with God in paradise, each and every day in His presence…then from what would they need a break in order to rest and worship God with whom they live each day?

And if you look at the pattern of days in the creation story, you see that each day is designated with a beginning and an ending…the evening and the morning.

But that is not the case with the seventh day. On that day there is no beginning and no ending as with the other days.

I have asked SDAs on this thread if they consider God to be eternal and why. For whatever reason they have not yet answered. The answer is easy…God is eternal because He has no beginning and no ending.

So what would you call a day that God blessed and sanctified that had no beginning and no ending? Eternal? Yes, I think so. And that is what the seventh day of creation was…eternity in God’s rest. Sadly that was lost when Adam and Eve sinned.

But the Good News…the Gospel is that God’s rest, eternity with God has been restored through the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, in which we share by faith, by virutue of our baptism as Christians.

Yes the SDA thinking is difficult to understand for someone who reads the Bible…all of the Bible, because their message is not found in the Bible Story, but only in the Ellen G. White Story.

2 Timothy 4:1-4

God bless all!!!

 

[spina1953]

Hi spina1953,

Yes, I agree that what the SDA say and teach is confusing and hard to understand. That is because they have entered into studying the scriptures as a means to support the writings and teaching of Ellen Gould White.

It is not the Bible Story they desire to understand. Their purpose it justify and uphold as “truth” the Ellen Gould White story. That is why you and I can look at scripture, for example, the creation story, and understand that it is not literal and scientific, but spiritual and True.

For example, on the first day of the week, God said let there be light and there was…and the evening and the morning were the first day. And yet, the sun and moon and stars were not created until the fourth day in Genesis chapter 1.

Another example, SDAs say that God commanded Adam and Eve to keep the sabbath day in the garden of Eden…one day every week before the Fall. Genesis chapter 1 does not say that anywhere. My question is, if Adam and Eve were living with God in paradise, each and every day in His presence…then from what would they need a break in order to rest and worship God with whom they live each day?

And if you look at the pattern of days in the creation story, you see that each day is designated with a beginning and an ending…the evening and the morning.

But that is not the case with the seventh day. On that day there is no beginning and no ending as with the other days.

I have asked SDAs on this thread if they consider God to be eternal and why. For whatever reason they have not yet answered. The answer is easy…God is eternal because He has no beginning and no ending.

So what would you call a day that God blessed and sanctified that had no beginning and no ending? Eternal? Yes, I think so. And that is what the seventh day of creation was…eternity in God’s rest. Sadly that was lost when Adam and Eve sinned.

But the Good News…the Gospel is that God’s rest, eternity with God has been restored through the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, in which we share by faith, by virutue of our baptism as Christians.

Yes the SDA thinking is difficult to understand for someone who reads the Bible…all of the Bible, because their message is not found in the Bible Story, but only in the Ellen G. White Story.

2 Timothy 4:1-4

God bless all!!!

Hi Pat: Thanks for all the information about the SDA’s. This was I was wanting to know and understand. I know that I did not in my earlier post to you make that clear so your response was different but very good as it is always a good thing to go back and study and read the CCC parts you spoke of. again tanks for your wonderful post.

 

[chero23]

For those who are here and saying that the Sabbath must be maintained (I’m saying this because of the SDA) why did Jesus in Matthew 12:9-13; Mark 3:1-6; Luke 6:10; Luke 13:10-17 and Luke 14:1-6, we see how Jesus heals people on the Sabbath. He even tells the Pharisees, hypocrites, God can work on the Sabbath. What can one do on the Sabbath, the Good or Bad?

Wouldn’t my SDA friends, with straight face say, that Jesus resurrection was Good and not Bad? SO if you answer yes, then that means that he could resurrected on Saturday, but he didn’t.

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

Hi Pat: Thanks for all the information about the SDA’s. This was I was wanting to know and understand. I know that I did not in my earlier post to you make that clear so your response was different but very good as it is always a good thing to go back and study and read the CCC parts you spoke of. again tanks for your wonderful post.

Hi spina1953,

You’re welcome!!

Hey for you and anyone intersted, here is a link to a fascinating story of a man who converted from SDA to Catholic.

For those of you who desired more information about what SDAs believe, this man has much to offer…I highly recommend reading this as you have time…it is not too long.

The Coming Home Network

God bless all!!!

 

[dreamfleur]

I just wanted to add some insight that has helped me better understand the fulfillment that Jesus has provided to the commandment to keep the Jewish Sabbath.

-Jesus Christ was a JEW.
-Jesus kept all Jewish Laws and observed all feasts and Holy Days.

• The 10 commandments were given to the Israelites and Moses on Mt.Sinai as a covenant between them and their God.
• Deuteronomy 5:15= Remember that you too were once slaves in the land of Egypt , and the Lord, your God, brought you out from there with a strong hand and outstretched arm. THat is why the Lord, your God, has commanded you to observe the sabbath day.
  -Covenant is not a contract. It is an exchange of people (you are mine and I am yours)

When Jesus started his ministry the ONLY commandment that he broke consistently was that of the Sabbath. Why? Because he wrote the commandments. He IS GOD. He can show us how to keep them in their fullness.
Before Jesus died he only told the disciples to DO ONE THING. Eat his body and drink his blood.
This was the NEW and ETERNAL COVENANT. THIS is the SUMMIT of honoring GOD. We give ourselves to HIM and HE gives himself to us. How does he give himself to us? In the bread and wine which become his body and blood.
The other 2 commandments given to us by Jesus are to LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART,SOUL and MIGHT, and to love your neighbor as yourself. Many came and told Jesus they wanted to follow him but very few could give up this world and DO.

The day of Christ’s resurrection reconciled humanity to GOD. We were now back at square one, back in the garden of Eden as God intended.
The Catholic church looks at the Old Testament in light of JESUS. First you look at what Jesus had to say about something and then you see how it ties in to the O.T. Following the Old Testament first and then looking at what Jesus had to say is the opposite. The JEWS still follow the O.T. teachings and they keep the Sabbath. Many rituals and prayers go along with this and Jesus surely kept the Sabbath this way and followed this tradition. The Sabbath was the Old covenant that God had made with HIS PEOPLE (the JEWS. The REAL ISRAELITES). Only after the resurrection were outsiders even offered to become part of God’s family. Now is the NEW and ETERNAL COVENANT where we are offered to become part of God’s family by DOING what Jesus told us to do. EAT and DRINK HIM.

Did the Catholic church really CHANGE this commandment or did they interpret it in light of Jesus Christ ( GOD)?

The Catholic church often states that in the Old covenant the seventh Day was the day given for rest and that Jesus’ resurrection from the dead was the EIGHTH DAY. His resurrection ushered in a NEW CREATION. They state it was both the EIGHTH DAY and the FIRST DAY because in HIS new creation JESUS was the LIGHT of the world.

Now, is this BIBLICAL? and if so where?
Since Jesus was a Jew, what can we find here? Shemini Atzeret is the assembly of the Eighth Day. On this day the completion of the Torah signifies that a new cycle is to begin. ( The Torah is read from Genesis to Deuteronomy and then begins again in Genesis.) This shows that the
Torah is a circle that never ends. On this day our creator asks us to stay another day. It is a celebration.