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greggy53
Guest
Say a prayer for me as well. I know it is not good for me to harbor such ill will.
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phummel
Guest
Hello all,
Just wrapping up some lingering comments…
paul
Just wrapping up some lingering comments…
God bless you all,
paul
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ern42
Guest
I converted from the Catholic Faith after studying the Bible (word of God) on my own. Their were many things that just didn’t add up. For one why do I have to confess my sins to a sinner (man)? Why, when I have Jesus Christ that died for me and through his blood and sacrifice, I can receive forgiveness for my sins, when I confess to him and him alone! Concerning the Sabbath (Saturday), why should I worship the Lord on a day (Sunday)that “man” said to worship him? Isn’t God perfect? Why would he give use 10 COMMANDMENTS (not recommendations), and then switch some around here or there. Did God make a mistake when he wote the commandments? Does God need the help of man to reset his holy day of worship? It’s all about obeying the Lord, either you do or you don’t. All of the 10 COMMANDMENTS are part of God’s law, including the 4th Sabbath. Notice it is the only one that starts out by saying… REMEMBER! Could it be that God knew that many would forget, or be tricked into a false day of worship?
John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Hopefully you can let the Holy Spirit into your heart and realize that their is zero substituion for God’s TRUTH!!!
John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Hopefully you can let the Holy Spirit into your heart and realize that their is zero substituion for God’s TRUTH!!!
K
katgee
Guest
Thank you, Paul…as I said, the couple left.
This past year, I went to a private, interdenominational study of Psalm 92. We introduced ourselves. One lady was a former Jehovah Witness. When it was my turn, she gave me a look that she was still into their teachings…
The Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists all come from the same stock of the North American 1830’s spin that now the Catholic Church was the great whore of Babylon…The Mormons go further in their book, ‘The Pearl of Great Price’, which starts with the same but adds that the Protestants are the Catholic Church’s whore daughters. I reported the book to LSD Headquarters. It is a classic. They said they did not have that stand.
Note this kind of bias originates here in the USA. Pentecost began the Church and it happened in Jerusalem not somewhere in America 1800 years later…America is the home of the flower of Sola Scriptura…34,000 churches and sects claiming to have it right.
Again, do you think Christ made a mistake in not properly establishing His church against which the gates of Hell could not prevail? Do you know there is always chaff with the wheat?
Finally, I do accept your apology…but it pains me deeply that people are not willing to read objective early church history and its development. But thank you that you are reaching out coming to Catholic Answers Forum…God bless you!
Kathleen
This past year, I went to a private, interdenominational study of Psalm 92. We introduced ourselves. One lady was a former Jehovah Witness. When it was my turn, she gave me a look that she was still into their teachings…
The Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists all come from the same stock of the North American 1830’s spin that now the Catholic Church was the great whore of Babylon…The Mormons go further in their book, ‘The Pearl of Great Price’, which starts with the same but adds that the Protestants are the Catholic Church’s whore daughters. I reported the book to LSD Headquarters. It is a classic. They said they did not have that stand.
Note this kind of bias originates here in the USA. Pentecost began the Church and it happened in Jerusalem not somewhere in America 1800 years later…America is the home of the flower of Sola Scriptura…34,000 churches and sects claiming to have it right.
Again, do you think Christ made a mistake in not properly establishing His church against which the gates of Hell could not prevail? Do you know there is always chaff with the wheat?
Finally, I do accept your apology…but it pains me deeply that people are not willing to read objective early church history and its development. But thank you that you are reaching out coming to Catholic Answers Forum…God bless you!
Kathleen
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phummel
Guest
Praise God!
I know your home is blessed and your city is a happier place for having you as a citizen.
(reference to your tag-line, which I like)
I hope you will see me as a brother in Christ. Although, you may actually think of me as some wierd cousin
I think we are hardest on our own Christian family members because we expect so much more of them. We hate to see a family member give us a bad name and behave in a way that does not glorify God.
blessings,
paul
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katgee
Guest
Ern,
If you read your Bible, go to the evening of the Resurrection…there Christ appeared in His resurrected state…and gave the apostles the power to forgive sins through Him.
First, Christ instituted the Eucharist, and the priesthood, on Holy Thursday. Then after His death and resurrection and the victory over death…the wage of sin, He then instituted the sacrament of confession.
The earliest Christians broke bread…they worshipped at night…it evolved into the gathering ending on Sunday…The practice evolved into Sunday, again celebrating Christ’s life, death and giving acknowledgment to Sunday for His sacrifice.
Our worship practices go all the way back to the first church…the Church of Jerusalem headed by St. James the Lesser. Much of the structure, wording and practice, as well as the tone, solemnity and approach to worship is the same today in Catholic/Orthodox liturgy.
Being in a church…didn’t Christ say He instituted His church on St. Peter? And if we only go by our own private perspective, isn’t that really turning in on your own private understanding to salvation…how do you know you are wrong? How do you comprehend Scriptures on being a Christian without a church? Should a Church insure you are understanding and living out the Word of God intended as Christ did…and He provided us, not one individual, but 12 Apostles…to provide a complete picture of Christ, True God and True Man?
I would think basing your entire understanding in lieu of all the Scriptural scholars working within the Church for the past 2,000, is taking on a pretty big task with a propensity of may be of misunderstanding a few things…after all we are all human.
Being in Church is being with others, a gathering of people centered on the Lord…the same perspective as the Jewish people do who worship on Saturday…we have Saturday vigils that fulfill our Sabbath. Jesus died as atonement for sin. God gave Moses not only the 10 commandments, but also the guidelines for worship, liturgy and sacred space.
I think sometimes people who are coming out of a format from the past 150 years or so, are so exclusive on understanding the Bible with no history before that, and having only a Bible on a stand in their meeting place, that often times looks like a secular building, appears to turn the Bible in and of itself into a form of idolatry…by that I mean, we project onto it what we want it to mean, or use it to accommodate our biases…look what was done in the name of Southern Baptist Christianity which is very much opposed to a priestly and sacramental ministry, and other issues.
If you read your Bible, go to the evening of the Resurrection…there Christ appeared in His resurrected state…and gave the apostles the power to forgive sins through Him.
First, Christ instituted the Eucharist, and the priesthood, on Holy Thursday. Then after His death and resurrection and the victory over death…the wage of sin, He then instituted the sacrament of confession.
The earliest Christians broke bread…they worshipped at night…it evolved into the gathering ending on Sunday…The practice evolved into Sunday, again celebrating Christ’s life, death and giving acknowledgment to Sunday for His sacrifice.
Our worship practices go all the way back to the first church…the Church of Jerusalem headed by St. James the Lesser. Much of the structure, wording and practice, as well as the tone, solemnity and approach to worship is the same today in Catholic/Orthodox liturgy.
Being in a church…didn’t Christ say He instituted His church on St. Peter? And if we only go by our own private perspective, isn’t that really turning in on your own private understanding to salvation…how do you know you are wrong? How do you comprehend Scriptures on being a Christian without a church? Should a Church insure you are understanding and living out the Word of God intended as Christ did…and He provided us, not one individual, but 12 Apostles…to provide a complete picture of Christ, True God and True Man?
I would think basing your entire understanding in lieu of all the Scriptural scholars working within the Church for the past 2,000, is taking on a pretty big task with a propensity of may be of misunderstanding a few things…after all we are all human.
Being in Church is being with others, a gathering of people centered on the Lord…the same perspective as the Jewish people do who worship on Saturday…we have Saturday vigils that fulfill our Sabbath. Jesus died as atonement for sin. God gave Moses not only the 10 commandments, but also the guidelines for worship, liturgy and sacred space.
I think sometimes people who are coming out of a format from the past 150 years or so, are so exclusive on understanding the Bible with no history before that, and having only a Bible on a stand in their meeting place, that often times looks like a secular building, appears to turn the Bible in and of itself into a form of idolatry…by that I mean, we project onto it what we want it to mean, or use it to accommodate our biases…look what was done in the name of Southern Baptist Christianity which is very much opposed to a priestly and sacramental ministry, and other issues.
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Marsha_Adams
Guest
Ellen WHite and Joseph Bates and various others of first generation SDAs did not. Ellen WHite even believed that Jesus was capable of sin. They were all semi-arians at best.
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Marsha_Adams
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phummel
Guest
Hi Kathleen,
I reported the book to LSD Headquarters.
Haha, “LDS” not “LSD”, that would be some psychodelic church
God bless you,
paul
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cides23
Guest
well studying the word of GOD on your own has allow you to decide for yourself what is truth and so if you have decided what you want truth to be.
Confession is clearly routed in scripture - Matthew 9:6-8, John 20:19-23, So Jesus instituted Confession, so i rather follow his word and abide by his teaching, not your own fallible interpretation.
Sunday clearly became the day of the Lord after the resurrection - but realize we Catholic worship everyday as we have mass everyday including Saturday… maybe you should real more clearly the bible but also read history of Christianity and pray that the Holy Spirit will guide you…
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tqualey
Guest
Hi, Paul,
Magical hemoglobin, eh?
Well… let’s see what we have here…
John 6:32-71 This is a lenghty section that I will summarize in part: The previous day Christ had just fed 5,000 men by multiplying a few loaves and fishes, the Jews attempt to make him their earthly king and Jesus leaves the area. The Jews find him and demand another sign - (obviously feeding 5,000 was not enough…!) Christ then sets the foundation for the Eucharistic Discourse and identifies that if they do not eat His Flesh and drink His Blood they will not have life in them.
48
I am the bread of life.
49
Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
50
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
51
**I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." **52
**The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
53
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. **55
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
57
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
59
These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60
**Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
61
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
62
What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64
But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
65
And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
66
As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. **
67
Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”
As a personal note, I have always been amazed at the statement that Jesus really did not mean what he said, or this statement was just an analogy or just an illustration. Just like the Jews listening to Our Lord - these modern individuals ask, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” Remember, Christ was here to save souls - and here is a group who are not arguing about not observing the Sabbath, or paying taxes, or not properly washing - this is a group arguing about a doctrine specific to Christ. If ever there was a time when the arugment about Christ’s statement not being taken literally was true - this would have been it. And, then you would read about Christ jumping in front of the group about to leave and say something like, “Wait, you have misunderstood me. Let me use another example. You did not become upset when I compared myself to a door, or a vine, or shepherd.” But, this did not happen. These Jews walked (except for Judas who also did not believe) and Jesus did not call them back. Surely those actions should tell you that everyone was being serious and clearly understanding one another: Christ said something and the Jews (and, now the Protestants) refused to believe it. The Real Presence has been believed by the Catholic Chruch since 33AD to this very day.
Matt 26:26-29 This is an account from one of the Synoptics. You can look to Mark and Luke for other versions of the same event. Remember, in less then 24-hours Christ will be dead - and He knows this. These are the last words of Christ to His Apostles in a friendly setting of a meal - in a couple of hours He will begin His Passion. Don’t you think He wants to be clearly understood?
26
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27
Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you,
28
for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.
**1 Cor. 10:15-17
**
15
I am speaking as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I am saying.
16
The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
17
Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
St. Paul is quite clearn in this matter. (For an additional Pauline reference go to 1Cor 11:23-29). Another item I personally find amazing is for any group that will swear that the world was created in six 24-hour or calendar days because “the Bible says so” - even though it only appears once in Genesis, and yet refuse to Believe the Word of God who repeats this over and over again… well… that is really difficult to understand.
Here is a link you may want to read: catholic.com/library/Seventh_Day_Adventism.asp
God bless
Magical hemoglobin, eh?
Well… let’s see what we have here…What, if I may ask, is the basis for you seeing the Lord’s Supper - the Eurcharist - as smbolic? Catholics see the Lord’s Supper as really being Christ, hidden under the appearance of common bread and wine (no hemoglobin which is not a property of either common bread or wine) We Catholic believe this way for the following reasons:
John 6:32-71 This is a lenghty section that I will summarize in part: The previous day Christ had just fed 5,000 men by multiplying a few loaves and fishes, the Jews attempt to make him their earthly king and Jesus leaves the area. The Jews find him and demand another sign - (obviously feeding 5,000 was not enough…!) Christ then sets the foundation for the Eucharistic Discourse and identifies that if they do not eat His Flesh and drink His Blood they will not have life in them.
48
I am the bread of life.
49
Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
50
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
51
**I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." **52
**The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
53
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. **55
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
57
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
59
These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60
**Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
61
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
62
What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64
But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
65
And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
66
As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. **
67
Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”
As a personal note, I have always been amazed at the statement that Jesus really did not mean what he said, or this statement was just an analogy or just an illustration. Just like the Jews listening to Our Lord - these modern individuals ask, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” Remember, Christ was here to save souls - and here is a group who are not arguing about not observing the Sabbath, or paying taxes, or not properly washing - this is a group arguing about a doctrine specific to Christ. If ever there was a time when the arugment about Christ’s statement not being taken literally was true - this would have been it. And, then you would read about Christ jumping in front of the group about to leave and say something like, “Wait, you have misunderstood me. Let me use another example. You did not become upset when I compared myself to a door, or a vine, or shepherd.” But, this did not happen. These Jews walked (except for Judas who also did not believe) and Jesus did not call them back. Surely those actions should tell you that everyone was being serious and clearly understanding one another: Christ said something and the Jews (and, now the Protestants) refused to believe it. The Real Presence has been believed by the Catholic Chruch since 33AD to this very day.
Matt 26:26-29 This is an account from one of the Synoptics. You can look to Mark and Luke for other versions of the same event. Remember, in less then 24-hours Christ will be dead - and He knows this. These are the last words of Christ to His Apostles in a friendly setting of a meal - in a couple of hours He will begin His Passion. Don’t you think He wants to be clearly understood?
26
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27
Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you,
28
for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.
**1 Cor. 10:15-17
**
15
I am speaking as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I am saying.
16
The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
17
Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
St. Paul is quite clearn in this matter. (For an additional Pauline reference go to 1Cor 11:23-29). Another item I personally find amazing is for any group that will swear that the world was created in six 24-hour or calendar days because “the Bible says so” - even though it only appears once in Genesis, and yet refuse to Believe the Word of God who repeats this over and over again… well… that is really difficult to understand.
Here is a link you may want to read: catholic.com/library/Seventh_Day_Adventism.asp
God bless
P
phummel
Guest
Hello Marsha,
Just as you can’t be a little bit pregnant or a little bit married, you either are or you aren’t, so it is with abortion - you are either for it or against it. The SDA General Conference is sorrowfully for abortion. adventist.org/beliefs/gui…in_guide1.html
I don’t deny the position of the SDA General Conference. I run the risk of being argumentative by challenging a non black/white view of the world. I think you can be luke warm on an issue, which may even be worst
blessings,
paul
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happilycatholic
Guest
Paul,
I’m glad to see you here. There will be some really heavy debates on SDAism, so brace yourself. I pray it remains charitable.
To begin if I may, Christ did not “rail” against the establishment, the hierarchy or even the beaurocracy of the Church. What he railed against was what they were doing. They were placing laws above God. Kind of the way adherers to Sola Scriptura do the Bible. The Bible, like the Law, is inspired by God but it is not above God. It is God’s Word, but not God Himself. It is not an authority figure over us, if it were I would suppose it would be more powerful. If you lay the Bible on a table it will do nothing until it’s picked up and read and even then it will depend on what authority is used to interpret it. Too much wiggle room for me.
Christ and His Apostles were the authority for God’s Word in their time and I see absolutely no evidence that Christ intended for that to change. Certainly not to faith denominations that would spring up hundreds of years later, one a protestant of the one before. I can’t imagine Christ seeing any of that as good. Not that the people aren’t sincere, but their founders will answer for this, me thinks.
I recently became aware of an offshoot of the SDA faith. It seems that for whatever reason these folks are at odds with the SDA faith or some particular doctrine.
Sigh
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tqualey
Guest
Hi, ern,
Welcome to the list…
In your reading of the Bible … did it tell you which group set the Canon - the authoritative pronouncement that certain books are in the Bible and those other books that were considered were not?
Do you know?
God bless
Welcome to the list…
In your reading of the Bible … did it tell you which group set the Canon - the authoritative pronouncement that certain books are in the Bible and those other books that were considered were not?
If you are looking for God’s TRUTH then I think you should look to the source of just where your Bible came from.
Do you know?
God bless
P
phummel
Guest
Hello Tom!Hi, Paul,
Magical hemoglobin, eh?
What, if I may ask, is the basis for you seeing the Lord’s Supper - the Eurcharist - as smbolic? Catholics see the Lord’s Supper as really being Christ, hidden under the appearance of common bread and wine (no hemoglobin which is not a property of either common bread or wine) We Catholic believe this way for the following reasons:
John 6:32-71 This is a lenghty section that I will summarize in part: The previous day Christ had just fed 5,000 men by multiplying a few loaves and fishes, the Jews attempt to make him their earthly king and Jesus leaves the area. The Jews find him and demand another sign - (obviously feeding 5,000 was not enough…!) Christ then sets the foundation for the Eucharistic Discourse and identifies that if they do not eat His Flesh and drink His Blood they will not have life in them.
…
As a personal note, I have always been amazed at the statement that Jesus really did not mean what he said, or this statement was just an analogy or just an illustration. Just like the Jews listening to Our Lord - these modern individuals ask, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” Remember, Christ was here to save souls - and here is a group who are not arguing about not observing the Sabbath, or paying taxes, or not properly washing - this is a group arguing about a doctrine specific to Christ. If ever there was a time when the arugment about Christ’s statement not being taken literally was true - this would have been it. And, then you would read about Christ jumping in front of the group about to leave and say something like, “Wait, you have misunderstood me. Let me use another example. You did not become upset when I compared myself to a door, or a vine, or shepherd.” But, this did not happen. These Jews walked (except for Judas who also did not believe) and Jesus did not call them back. Surely those actions should tell you that everyone was being serious and clearly understanding one another: Christ said something and the Jews (and, now the Protestants) refused to believe it. The Real Presence has been believed by the Catholic Chruch since 33AD to this very day.
Matt 26:26-29 This is an account from one of the Synoptics. You can look to Mark and Luke for other versions of the same event. Remember, in less then 24-hours Christ will be dead - and He knows this. These are the last words of Christ to His Apostles in a friendly setting of a meal - in a couple of hours He will begin His Passion. Don’t you think He wants to be clearly understood?
26
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27
Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you,
28
for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.
1 Cor. 10:15-17
15
I am speaking as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I am saying.
16
The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
17
Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
St. Paul is quite clearn in this matter. (For an additional Pauline reference go to 1Cor 11:23-29). Another item I personally find amazing is for any group that will swear that the world was created in six 24-hour or calendar days because “the Bible says so” - even though it only appears once in Genesis, and yet refuse to Believe the Word of God who repeats this over and over again… well… that is really difficult to understand.
Here is a link you may want to read: catholic.com/library/Seventh_Day_Adventism.asp
God bless
Thank you for the great care you took in pulling out scripture.
Jesus is often equated with being the Word, Logos, Truth.
Ezekiel 3:1 And he said to me, “Son of man, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then go and speak to the house of Israel.” 2 So I opened my mouth, and he gave me the scroll to eat.
Jeremiah 15:16 When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my heart’s delight, for I bear your name, O LORD God Almighty.
John 4:14 …but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
Revelation 10:10 I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour.
Belief equals eating the Word of God; you make it part of yourself. Jesus was the Word and He becomes part of us. The Jews were also shocked and ready to kill Him when He said “I Am”…
I am not a Bible literalist, further evidence that I am a heretic for a SDA. We probably are in fairly close agreement with the Genesis account.
Also, thank you for the link - I have read this before too.
I think it’s hard to discuss things like this sometime. If you believe “A” and I believe “B”, and they are mutually exclusive, then I am saying I don’t believe “A” and you are wrong. I think there will be many happy surprises for me in the Kingdom.
God bless you,
paul
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phummel
Guest
You have always been gracious and kind. Thank you.
Agreed. They were placing laws above love.
Somewhat agree - we should “keep our eye on the ball” which is Jesus and build each other up. 1 Thessalonians 5:11, Ephesians 4:12-16
Satan is probably at work here.
How interesting for me
Thanks HC - God bless you,
paul
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tqualey
Guest
Hi, Paul
I am not sure what it is you wanted to say about Exekiel and Jeremiah … none of them claimed that they were eating the Flesh of the Son of God.
Now about the concept of believing in “A” or “B” … let me share a thought with you on that one…
1.) honestly learn more about the Catholic Faith and/or
2.) play games by presenting material that attacks and then refusing to defend their material
From your presentation, it sounds like you would like to know more about our Catholic Fatih - and, I think you have come to an excellent list where there are many knowledgeable members that are delighted to answer your questions and respond to your concerns. No one makes you stay on this list - you are here because you want to be here. I think we can all learn from one another in a lot of areas.
God bless
I am not sure what it is you wanted to say about Exekiel and Jeremiah … none of them claimed that they were eating the Flesh of the Son of God.
Now about the concept of believing in “A” or “B” … let me share a thought with you on that one…
even though it is hard, you have voluntarily joined the Catholic Answers Forum and from my experience there are at least two reasons:
1.) honestly learn more about the Catholic Faith and/or
2.) play games by presenting material that attacks and then refusing to defend their material
From your presentation, it sounds like you would like to know more about our Catholic Fatih - and, I think you have come to an excellent list where there are many knowledgeable members that are delighted to answer your questions and respond to your concerns. No one makes you stay on this list - you are here because you want to be here. I think we can all learn from one another in a lot of areas.
God bless
G
greggy53
Guest
I know several Protestants that I call brother, and now you as well. If we can’t show Christian Charity toward one another we are in deep trouble.Praise God!
I know your home is blessed and your city is a happier place for having you as a citizen.
(reference to your tag-line, which I like)
I hope you will see me as a brother in Christ. Although, you may actually think of me as some wierd cousin
I think we are hardest on our own Christian family members because we expect so much more of them. We hate to see a family member give us a bad name and behave in a way that does not glorify God.
blessings,
paul
" If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."
P
phummel
Guest
Hi Tom,Hi, Paul
I am not sure what it is you wanted to say about Exekiel and Jeremiah … none of them claimed that they were eating the Flesh of the Son of God.
Now about the concept of believing in “A” or “B” … let me share a thought with you on that one…
even though it is hard, you have voluntarily joined the Catholic Answers Forum and from my experience there are at least two reasons:
1.) honestly learn more about the Catholic Faith and/or
2.) play games by presenting material that attacks and then refusing to defend their material
From your presentation, it sounds like you would like to know more about our Catholic Fatih - and, I think you have come to an excellent list where there are many knowledgeable members that are delighted to answer your questions and respond to your concerns. No one makes you stay on this list - you are here because you want to be here. I think we can all learn from one another in a lot of areas.
God bless
On Ezekiel and Jeremiah I just wanted to find some verses that used the “eating” metaphor - eating words, knowledge, truth.
On why I am on Catholic forums, I’m converting to SDA and was raised RC but haven’t been Catholic for 20 years or so. I still have many friends and family in the RC church. I am trying to bridge those worlds a bit. I’m standing up for my little SDA church too, because that is who I am. Since being SDA can mean a wide variety of things, I want to show it is not a one size fits all and we all don’t live in 1844 and bash Catholics.
On the flip side, I try to share some of the blessings and wisdom of the RC church with my SDA brothers and sisters.
All and all, I find encouragement in meeting nice Christians like yourself.
-paul
J
Javl
Guest
SDAs are border-line Christians. Many of their beliefs are erroneous and are not scriptural in origin, such as “soul sleep” ( shades of Jehovahs Witnesses! ) and millenialism. They have tried a number of times to predict the return of Jesus Christ and the “end times”.
They do believe in the Trinity, though, and have done much good for the communities in which they are based. But this does not excuse them from rejecting most of Jesus’s teachings and promulgating their own. Please reconsider you decision. For further info
on the SDA church, please read “Kingdom of the Cults” by Dr. Walter Martin ( available in most book stores ). His work on the SDA is thoroghly reserched and unbiased. God Bless.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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