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Hey, fellas, it’s been great! Catch you on another thread.

God bless
Yes, I agree. We won’t get any more response from them, so might as well pack up and
leave. It’s very sad. Bye all and God Bless.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Do not mourn the ending of this thread. Keep an eye out, there will always be another SDA down the road that will pop up hoping to evangelize the poor Catholics.

In fact, you should savor the victory you have attained here. I have never before seen SDAs retreat as they have done on this thread.
 
Marsha Adams

Since you were once an SDA, I thought you might be able to answer this question:

One of my SDA friends attended my Catholic wedding:eek:. I was shocked, knowing how SDAs feel about Catholics. During the Mass, she stood and sat accordingly, but when it came time to offer the sign of peace, she stood with her arms crossed and refused to greet/acknowledge anyone:dts:. To my knowledge, she was the only Protestant who did so. There were many Protestants there, but only one SDA. She used to be a teacher aide at the Catholic grade school, when she was still Presbyterian, and attended Mass. I do not recall her ever refusing to shake hands and offer anyone peace. Is this addressed by SDAs?

Thanks,
J
 
During the Mass, she stood and sat accordingly, but when it came time to offer the sign of peace, she stood with her arms crossed and refused to greet/acknowledge anyone:dts:.
Well, I’ve got to say that surprises me. I have no idea why she would not extend the sign of peace with anyone. Personally, I think it is a silly innovation to the Mass and I would be happier if it were dropped all together, but I can’t imagine why she would refuse to participate. It seems to me like that would be the one part of the Mass that an SDA would feel she could do. Oh, well, it takes all kinds I guess.
 
Do not mourn the ending of this thread. Keep an eye out, there will always be another SDA down the road that will pop up hoping to evangelize the poor Catholics.

In fact, you should savor the victory you have attained here. I have never before seen SDAs retreat as they have done on this thread.
Howdy Marsha

I am celebrating the Sabbath at home today, and thought I would drop into some of the online forums that I am a member of. I just thought I would comment here that your characterizations seem fitting for something other than “evangelization,” which you seem to think that any Adventist who comes here wants to do.

I have had many good experiences here at this forum, as well as some not so good; but after well over three years here; off and on, I have to tell you that people who talk about other people in the way this and many of your posts do about Adventists, do not stand a chance of winning them to anything.

You don’t have to “win” me somehow to Catholics or to the Catholic Church anyways. I like Catholics for the most part. I have learned much from them; and look foward to learning more…but it is really difficult to learn from someone who continues for years to talk about us and to characterize us the way you do.

I had an experience a while ago where a Catholic who was unhappy with the Catholic Church for various reasons, approached me and asked me how to join the Adventist Church. After questioning and talking; I felt led to tell this person to not leave the Catholic Church, just because they were upset with them. I told them that this was a wrong reason to leave a church; and that it should be more because you see God as specifically calling you to join another Church. I am happy to report that this person has found a way to resolve their differences, and problems with Catholics, and is now a happy, fruitful member of the Catholic Church.

The way I figure; that was a nice piece of evangelsim! (IMHO). 👍
 
@Protestant101
Would you elaborate more about the person who was upset about the Catholics?

This is not just about winning but defending about what is true and right. Good for you that you stand for three years in this forum.

God Bless for you that you were brought to this forum. 🙂
 
I read in wikipedia that most historians agreed that the Catholic church was founded by Christ.
"Through apostolic succession, the Catholic Church sees itself as the continuation of the original Christian community founded by Jesus in his selection of Saint Peter,[22] a view shared by many historians of Christianity. "

“Many scholars believe that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and that the historical record confirms that the See of Rome in particular was considered a Christian doctrinal authority from its beginning.[24][25] Henry Chadwick cites a letter from Pope Clement I to the church in Corinth (c. 95) as evidence of a presiding Roman cleric who exercised authority over all the other local churches which comprised the Catholic Church.[41] Other scholars disagree with these interpretations. Eamon Duffy for instance, affirms the existence of a Christian community in Rome and that Peter and Paul “lived, preached and died” there,[42] but doubts that there was a ruling bishop in the Roman church in the first century, and questions the Catholic concept of apostolic succession.[43]”

From Wiki

Well, at least we have strong historically based on it.

Here’s the link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church
 
@Protestant101
Would you elaborate more about the person who was upset about the Catholics?

This is not just about winning but defending about what is true and right. Good for you that you stand for three years in this forum.

God Bless for you that you were brought to this forum. 🙂
This person was very upset with how they were being treated by fellow Catholics, as well as several of Catholic doctrines. To me, a person who is upset with how they are being treated does not need the added stress of changing churches. I know there might be some exceptions; but I mean, generally speaking. I told them that if they get the differences settled, and they still feel God wants them to change churches; then I would be glad to tell them what I know about how to do that. I also told them to not be bitter if they left the Catholic Church; for this kind of spirit would just follow them, wherever they went.

Unfortunately, I have seen this root of bitterness in some who have left our Church (Adventist), and who also post on this forum, but it goes both ways. Some who have left the Catholic Church and become Adventist; seem to take whatever spirit they had in one Church to the next. These are always the hardest people to deal with and to have fellowship with.

Granted; I am very strongly opposed to some Catholic doctrine; yet it all must be seen in the bigger picture of God’s will. What motives does God want us to act out of? As much as I would love to see Catholics join us; I would just say that their hearts must be right with God and others before they make such a major change. 🙂
 
In return for pointing out errors of the Catholics, I would like to throw these posts.

These were the posts from other sites about the writings of Ellen White:

"Ellen G. White Contradicts the Bible Over 50 Times "
truthorfables.com/EGW_Contradicts.htm

“Desire of Ages Not Inspired”
truthorfables.com/Desire_of_Ages.htm

"Desire of Ages Project by Fred Veltman. "
truthorfables.com/Desire_of_Ages_Veltman.htm

'Great Controversy Plagiarism ’
truthorfables.com/Great_Controversy_Plagiarism.htm

'Over 200 Errors In The Great Controversy."
tithing-russkelly.com/sda/id11.html

God Bless…
 
In return for pointing out errors of the Catholics, I would like to throw these posts.

These were the posts from other sites about the writings of Ellen White:

"Ellen G. White Contradicts the Bible Over 50 Times "
truthorfables.com/EGW_Contradicts.htm

“Desire of Ages Not Inspired”
truthorfables.com/Desire_of_Ages.htm

"Desire of Ages Project by Fred Veltman. "
truthorfables.com/Desire_of_Ages_Veltman.htm

'Great Controversy Plagiarism ’
truthorfables.com/Great_Controversy_Plagiarism.htm

'Over 200 Errors In The Great Controversy."
tithing-russkelly.com/sda/id11.html

God Bless…
Thanks for the “info;” LOL, I have to say that I have long ago reviewed all of those links and then some. None of that kind of stuff worries me at all. If you are Catholic, you might want to just strengthen your Catholic beliefs and doctrines; and then compare them to what I believe instead of going to non-Catholic sources for your “information.” Otherwise, it might be said that you are admitting you need more than the Catholic Church to prove your point. But, whatever you need to do is fine with me.

I can tell you something I would really enjoy though - if you are interested. I would love to hear about your experience with Jesus. I would be really interested to hear how it was with you, before you became a Christian; how you came to know Jesus; and what your life is like now, as compared to before you met Jesus.

Have you ever read a book by a Catholic theologian “Father Thomas Weinandy?” He wrote a book called “Receiving The Promise, The Spirit’s Work Of Conversion.” Maybe there are some fruitful things we can discuss? As this Catholic author explains; “the fundamental change from unbelief to belief,” is what the Bible means by becoming a new creation. (as in 2 Cor 5:17). I would love to hear your’s or other Catholic’s experiences with Jesus. But maybe we should start another thread for that. Sorry if I derailed this one too much! 😉
 
I would love to keep telling you guys the bible truths in regards of any point, the truth is the truth as you all know… But if I do that the forum leaders will send me again an email telling me to shut up so what do you want me do then?
 
I would love to keep telling you guys the bible truths in regards of any point, the truth is the truth as you all know… But if I do that the forum leaders will send me again an email telling me to shut up so what do you want me do then?
You need to settle down my friend. Perhaps you could examine comments such as this and then come up with an anwer as to why you are getting such emails:
I just find difficult to talk about bible with many catholics
cause they act arrogant sometimes putting their church and traditions first.
I like talking about God you know but not to fight
This is a comment you made in the subject SDA Beliefs, post #17.

How can you expect to not fight when you come here and talk like that? While you might get some accusations here, when you make this kind of accusation, re “arrogance,” and your one finger is pointing forward to whoever your victim is, there are three fingers pointing backwards at you, with the same charge. Only an arrogant Adventist would come onto a Catholic forum and talk like that.
 
Hi, P101,

What a thoughtful post…🙂 I would like to commend you for expressing a sentiment on fraternal charity that, I think, like Christ’s arms embraces all of peace and good will.
This person was very upset with how they were being treated by fellow Catholics, as well as several of Catholic doctrines. To me, a person who is upset with how they are being treated does not need the added stress of changing churches. I know there might be some exceptions; but I mean, generally speaking. I told them that if they get the differences settled, and they still feel God wants them to change churches; then I would be glad to tell them what I know about how to do that. I also told them to not be bitter if they left the Catholic Church; for this kind of spirit would just follow them, wherever they went.

Unfortunately, I have seen this root of bitterness in some who have left our Church (Adventist), and who also post on this forum, but it goes both ways. Some who have left the Catholic Church and become Adventist; seem to take whatever spirit they had in one Church to the next. These are always the hardest people to deal with and to have fellowship with.

Granted; I am very strongly opposed to some Catholic doctrine; yet it all must be seen in the bigger picture of God’s will. What motives does God want us to act out of? As much as I would love to see Catholics join us; I would just say that their hearts must be right with God and others before they make such a major change. 🙂
God bless
 
I have to tell you that people who talk about other people in the way this and many of your posts do about Adventists, do not stand a chance of winning them to anything.
I see you have decided to admit to being an SDA. With a username like Prostestant 101 and previously no mention of your specific denomination, I thought you were hiding your religious affiliation. Good job for going public with it. 👍

It is not my intention to win SDAs to the Church. That is the job of the Holy Spirit, and I am happy to let Him get on with it. If you are interested, there is a blog SDA2Roman Catholic that is filled with former SDAs who have converted to the Church. Interestingly, none of them appear to have been “won” by other Catholics. Most all of them became Catholic (kicking and screaming all the way) as a result of personal Bible Study and the grace of God.

A path I would personally recommend to you.

So although I am not interested in evangelizing SDAs, I will always defend the Body of Christ against insults and mockery, which it has been my experience are free flowing from most SDAs towards the Church. For defending the Church, I will apologize to no one.
 
If Catholics call us the way they want why not I can do the same? I know I don’t have to fight about believes, bible say not to throw pearls to the pigs. We shouldn’t then put Gods word in a pigs terrain such as fighting.

Instead I would prefer to teach someone that is truly looking for the truth out in the world and to get ready for His soon return.
 
If Catholics call us the way they want why not I can do the same? I know I don’t have to fight about believes, bible say not to throw pearls to the pigs. We shouldn’t then put Gods word in a pigs terrain such as fighting.

Instead I would prefer to teach someone that is truly looking for the truth out in the world and to get ready for His soon return.
It all boils down then as it has from the begining of this thread to this: What are your qualifications to teach us the scritpures, or anything else relating to Christianity?
I don’t recognize your authority to preach the word of God. Why should I let you “teach” me
 
I see you have decided to admit to being an SDA. With a username like Prostestant 101 and previously no mention of your specific denomination, I thought you were hiding your religious affiliation. Good job for going public with it. 👍

It is not my intention to win SDAs to the Church. That is the job of the Holy Spirit, and I am happy to let Him get on with it. If you are interested, there is a blog SDA2Roman Catholic that is filled with former SDAs who have converted to the Church. Interestingly, none of them appear to have been “won” by other Catholics. Most all of them became Catholic (kicking and screaming all the way) as a result of personal Bible Study and the grace of God.

A path I would personally recommend to you.

So although I am not interested in evangelizing SDAs, I will always defend the Body of Christ against insults and mockery, which it has been my experience are free flowing from most SDAs towards the Church. For defending the Church, I will apologize to no one.
Where have you been for three years? I have always made it very plain on this forum that I was a Seventh-day Adventist. If that sort of red-herring theology is what you call “defending the Church of Christ,” then we are all in trouble.

Brandon has started his own cult with his blog; I know he calls himself a “Catholic;” but I think you both rudely mock your own Church; and lie about the Adventist Church so much you hardly know what’s truth anymore.

You talk about “insults and mockery,” while even worse venom comes from your own and Brandon’s mouth to anyone who is Adventist, just because they are Adventist.

You have a signature that says “Proud To Be A Papist,” yet I would get an infraction, or be banned from this forum for using that term. You insult even your own Church with every post.
 
You talk about “insults and mockery,” while even worse venom comes from your own and Brandon’s mouth to anyone who is Adventist, just because they are Adventist.
“Sauce For The Goose” Though I don’t know that any Catholic here has accused your Church of worshiping “the beast”. Or, of being the “Harlot” of Revelations. The SDA has spread many malicious lies about the Church, so don’t feign indignance when that bird comes home to roost.
 
Brandon has started his own cult with his blog; I know he calls himself a “Catholic;” but I think you both rudely mock your own Church; and lie about the Adventist Church so much you hardly know what’s truth anymore.
I have no idea what you mean about Brandon. What ever has he said that you consider “mocking” the Church? As for lying about the SDA denomination, you must be kidding. He believes (unlike myself) that through reason and dialogue SDAs can be brought to the truth of the Catholic Church.
You talk about “insults and mockery,” while even worse venom comes from your own and Brandon’s mouth to anyone who is Adventist, just because they are Adventist.
Mine perhaps, but certainly not from Brandon’s mouth. These remarks force me to question your veracity. Though I have never called the SDAs the “Whore of Babylon.”
 
Protestant101:

By the way, I had dinner with Brandon this evening. He is in town on business. I shared with him your comments about him. His response is, “Jesus loves you too.” I told you he is more charitable than I am.
 
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