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Hi, P101,

I am very happy for you.
Yes, God has blessed me immensely.
I also realize that you were totally unable to respond to the question and I will accept your lack of response for what it is.

Seriously, take the time to read John 6 with an open heart to God’s Grace. Christ says He is Food and is to be eaten repeatedly. Actually, He reinforces this idea about 20 times in this short passage in John 6. No where else does He do this kind of repitition. You really just have to sit back and ask yourself, “Why is this so different?”

Presiously, you have mentioned the words in Luke, “Do this as a rememberance of me.” Just what do you think we are re-membering? It is the Last Supper where Christ has just given His Apostles the His Body and Blood to eat. And, now He is giving them the Authority to consecrate bread and wine into His Body and Blood. Nothing ‘Rational’ about this either … but, you know, right in the beginning of this section of John, Christ tells the Jews to believe the the Person that the Father has sent.

We are to believe Christ’s Words… He really does tell us to believe Him. The Jews refused to believe Him and walked away. Those faulty actions and mis-steps by those disbelievers are being carried on to this very day. You really can pray to the Holy Spirit for an open heart and understanding. I am praying for you, and I am sure others are, too.

God bless
 
I do not think anyone was ‘offended’. The matter seems to be the inability to take what is clearly written and moving forward with it without dancing around it.
I am sorry for obviously offending you. I know how important this doctrine is to Catholics; but I honestly do not see your point here. The text actually does not say “the disciples understood Jesus to be using ‘His flesh’ literally, and this is why they walked away.”
You jumble quotes as though anything you want to put will somehow magically say what you want - you do realize that Isaiah and Jesus are not the same person?

I have told you about your errors in John 6 and you keep on repeating them. From the type of errors you are making, it is obvious to me you have not read the section in question so I have provided a copy below. Please note; Christ repeats the idea that He is Food 19 times. The Jews walked away because they refused to believe Christ could givem them His Flesh to eat (John 6:52 - they understood what Christ said and said NO to Christ). I will count them off for you and underline them as they appear in John 6:27-66.

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Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life, [1] which the Son of Man will give you. For on him the Father, God, has set his seal."
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So they said to him, “What can we do to accomplish the works of God?”
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Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent.”
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So they said to him, “What sign can you do, that we may see and believe in you? What can you do?
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16 Our ancestors ate manna in the desert, as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’”
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So Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. [2]
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For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” [3]
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So they said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”
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17 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life [4]; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst. [5]
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But I told you that although you have seen (me), you do not believe.
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Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me,
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because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me.
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And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should not lose anything of what he gave me, but that I should raise it (on) the last day.
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For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day.”
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The Jews murmured about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven,” [6]
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and they said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph? Do we not know his father and mother? Then how can he say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”
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Jesus answered and said to them, “Stop murmuring among yourselves.
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No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day.
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It is written in the prophets: ‘They shall all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.
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Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father.
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Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. [7]
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I am the bread of life. [8]
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Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
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this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. [9]
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I am the living bread that came down from heaven[10]; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.” [11]
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The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?” [12]
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Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. [13]
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. [14]
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For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. [15]
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. [16]
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Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. [17]
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This is the bread that came down from heaven. [18] Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.” [19]
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These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
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20 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
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Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
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What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
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It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
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But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
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And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
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As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. **

Please read and understand the repitition Christ uses is no accident that can be dismissed as meaningless.

God bless
 
Hi, P101,

I am very happy for you.

I also realize that you were totally unable to respond to the question and I will accept your lack of response for what it is.
Now Tom, I did respond…I guess it wasn’t what you were looking for? I have no trouble seeing that when you, or any Catholic goes to their Eucharist, that it is an experience of deep faith and blessings. That has never been my question. When I seem “unable” to respond, just know that sometimes one can simply choose not to, even if he does “know” the answer. LOL, I am trying not to fight like I did when I first joined this forum!!

Take care & make sure you find things to be thankful for this thanksgiving…well, it is Canadian Thanksgiving, but is there any reason why Americans cannot join us in being thankful to our Lord for the many ways He bears with us?
 
I do not think anyone was ‘offended’. The matter seems to be the inability to take what is clearly written and moving forward with it without dancing around it.

You jumble quotes as though anything you want to put will somehow magically say what you want - you do realize that Isaiah and Jesus are not the same person?

I have told you about your errors in John 6 and you keep on repeating them. From the type of errors you are making, it is obvious to me you have not read the section in question so I have provided a copy below. Please note; Christ repeats the idea that He is Food 19 times. The Jews walked away because they refused to believe Christ could givem them His Flesh to eat (John 6:52 - they understood what Christ said and said NO to Christ). I will count them off for you and underline them as they appear in John 6:27-66.

Please read and understand the repitition Christ uses is no accident that can be dismissed as meaningless.

God bless
I actually have read it many times, and just recently too. I have 13 different bible versions, and have also done lots of comparisons. But I have to say two things for now:
  1. The “repetition” that you speak of doesn’t have to mean what you say it does. The text itself does not state that it does.
  2. I am right out of time tonight, so if I seem “unable” to answer, it’s just a time thing. May God continue to bless you and your family for your devotion to Him. 👍
 
Protestant101:

Since you insist that John 6 is symbolic, may I reference you to Dr. Scott Hahn ( a
Professor at Jesuit University in Steubenville, Ohio ) who is an ex-Presbyterian minister.
He was a vehemently anti-Catholic antagonist who also said John 6 was symbolic and the
Catholic Church was wrong in its interprtation and understanding. But after praying and
thoroughly researching the Catholic position, he came to understand John 6 as not being
symbolic, but literal ( thanks to the power of the Holy Spirit ). He is now a Catholic and
as vehemently as he was anti-Catholic he defends the Catholic Church as the true Church
that Jesus founded. I pray that the Holy Spirit does the same for you and all others that think and believe as you do. Go Bless.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Hi, P101,

Thank you for your kind blessings. And, I certainly wish that you and yours have a wonderful and blessed Canadian Thanksgiving. 🙂

Since this is a serious list, I would like to get back to the topic at hand…
Now Tom, I did respond…**Yes, you did…you responded with a blessing which ignored the question before you. While blessings are always appreciated, as a substitute for a reasoned response, they appear to be mere evasion. **I guess it wasn’t what you were looking for? …You’ve got that right. I have no trouble seeing that when you, or any Catholic goes to their Eucharist, that it is an experience of deep faith and blessings. That has never been my question. When I seem “unable” to respond, just know that sometimes one can simply choose not to, even if he does “know” the answer. …**You can play this game in one of two ways: you can claim to have ‘the answer’ and just continue to not ‘give it’ yet claim the Catholic view of the Eurhcarist is wrong. Or, you can step up to the plate and provide the answers you say you have and let them be discussed. Merely saying, "Your’re wrong and I’m right fall quite short of an adult dialogue on a serious subject.LOL, I am trying not to fight like I did when I first joined this forum!! … let me be clear about this: as I see it, your ‘fighting’ is in the form of passive aggressive statements “I’m right and you’re wrong!”] You do not have to ‘fight’ but, then that means you drop this passive aggression. You can - without fighting - support your position with Scripture and then let others examine it for what it contains. What I see is that you are doing neither: when asked for a Scriptural response, you come up with text that are easily refuted or have no meaning to the text in question. This is such a disappointment.

Look at it this way - I put the section of John 6 right in front of you, hightlighted the sections where Christ is telling His listeners that He is Food that must be eaten - and you say, “It does not mean that.” Since we are both fluent in English, you will have to do better then that, because the text clearly says that for us to have eternal life we must eat the Flesh and drink the Blood of Christ. I didn’t make this up - it is just what the text says. The reference you provided with the People’s NT Commentary rejects Christ for the same reason the Jews rejected Him - the section does not make any sense - it is UNREASONABLE. I submit Christ’s statement goes beyond mere reason and calls us to have Faith … as He said, “Believe in the One God has sent”.

I suggest you review that post - if you are serious about this matter and will respond with a Scriptural basis - and present your position without the evasion you have been demonstrating for the past 3-dozen posts so far. Honest. You are not answering the hard quesitons - and this by itself should tell you that there is a basic problem with the way you are going.**

Take care & make sure you find things to be thankful for this thanksgiving…well, it is Canadian Thanksgiving, but is there any reason why Americans cannot join us in being thankful to our Lord for the many ways He bears with us?..I want you to know I have a very soft spot in my heart for Canadias - ever since they pulled our American Embassy folks out of harm’s way in Iran - at a personal risk to themselves. Having you guys up there has been quite a blessing to the US (especially the southern US since you usually do a great job of holding back the Arctic blasts! Ah, you guys could be doing a better job this year, through! 😃
God bless
 
Hi, P101,

Thank you for your kind blessings. And, I certainly wish that you and yours have a wonderful and blessed Canadian Thanksgiving. 🙂

Since this is a serious list, I would like to get back to the topic at hand…
God bless
Hi Tom! I know you think that I am “evading” “scriptural answers;” and I do apologize if I have offended you in this matter. One of these days I am going to write a big book on all the things Catholics and Protestants have accused one another of on this entire forum. I think that would be a very revealing, albeit, a really huge book! Probably sell like hotcakes though…do you want to help? I will share the proceeeds.

But getting back to the subject at hand; I guess this topic is talking about Adventists, and presumably their alleged false beliefs. Specifically, we have arrived at the point where I have tried to say that I don’t see some passages in John 6 as “literal” yet, you, and your church do see it this way.

I have never understood either interpretation as being something, that in and of itself, would doom the “wrong” party to eternal hell or anything like that because, these sacraments do not save us; Jesus does/has already done that, and when we come to Him personally, by faith; He will not turn us away. (see John 6:37). It seems to me that Catholics, such as yourself, are ignoring the literalness of this verse, as it applies to all people, because you seem to be saying we are not “truly” saved, unless we both submit to, and practice the Catholic Eucharist doctrines??

The other night; I spent many hours at the bedside of a dying loved one. As I watched the life-current ebbing ever so quietly from this person; it was really hard to not notice the presence of our Lord in that room, and in the heart of my loved one. (Psalms 23:3)

It is a good thing that the Lord does not depend upon doctrine alone to save us; for the love of Christ compels us to “love one another;” and connects people with Him, all quite independent of most of our pet doctrines. The Eucharist being no exception. I believe it has been given a higher status by the Catholic Church than the Bible gives it.

There was “peace like a river” by the deathbed that night; it had nothing to do with doctrine or sacrament; or Priest or Pastor; but it had everything to do with Jesus, and His Word. A short Bible reading and prayer was all we did, and as I led out in this; the text that came to mind was Rom 8:38-39: where we are told nothing “shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” This is the assurance that not only the dying, but that the living need!

With some Catholics, they get this assurance through their Eucharistic sacrament; yet, the sacrament is not needed for salvation, or assurance in Christ, and even with these Catholics, the assurance they do get as they practice this sacrament, is not always based upon just the alleged “fact” of John 6 being “literal.” It is based upon a connection with Jesus, and this connection is not dependent upon a literal or non-literal interpretation of John 6. Jesus did say “do this in remembrance of Me;” so it cannot be too far off to take it as symbolic; unless, of course, you do not wish to “interpret” the word “remembrance” literally.

I will always remember the effect our little bedside prayer meeting had on the others present. His Presence" was just as much there, as it would have been at ANY church sacrament. His Word, through His presence, did what we cannot do as human beings.

I hope it doesn’t offend you if I also say that my loved one was Catholic, and what took place that night in their room was at their request. The Real Presence was there in that room, even without the “wine” and the “bread.” 🙂
 
This is the prophecy that led William Miller to announce the imminent Advent of Christ:

**When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand). **(Matthew 24:15)

Jesus refers to the following prophecy in Daniel: …How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, **Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. **(Daniel 8:13-14)

456 B.C.E. + 2300 solar years = 1844 C.E.

Just as Jesus was heralded by John the Baptist, who occupied the same office and authority as Elijah, Baha’u’llah was heralded by the Báb, (Gate) who announced His Mission on May 23, 1844. Near the end of His earthly life, Baha’u’llah stood on Mount Carmel in Turkish Palestine, and designated the Spot that was to become the Shrine of the Báb’s martyred body, which had been concealed for 60 years in Persia. It is now the center of the New Jerusalam, which is the “Heavenly Maiden”, the Law of God, and the Garden where Baha’u’llah would sit, after long years of imprisonment.
I suggest my SDA friends investigate. William Miller was right. The Lord just didn’t choose to come down out of the atmosphere over New England…but among men, as He did before, in the Holy Land.

His (Bahá’u’lláh’s) Day Ezekiel and Daniel had, moreover, both acclaimed as the “day of the Lord,” and Malachi described as “the great and dreadful day of the Lord” when “the Sun of Righteousness” will “arise, with healing in His wings,” whilst Daniel had pronounced His advent as signalizing the end of the “abomination that maketh desolate.” (Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, p. 95)
 
. Jesus did say “do this in remembrance of Me;” so it cannot be too far off to take it as symbolic; unless, of course, you do not wish to “interpret” the word “remembrance” literally.
Hi P101,

I find it exremely amazing for a Seventh-day Adventist - especially a Seventh-day Adventist - to take a command from God to REMEMBER, and call it symbolic…especially when what Jesus is asking us to remember is Him…unless you do not wish to interpret HIM as literal.

God bless all!!!
 
With some Catholics, they get this assurance through their Eucharistic sacrament; yet, the sacrament is not needed for salvation, or assurance in Christ, and even with these Catholics, the assurance they do get as they practice this sacrament, is not always based upon just the alleged “fact” of John 6 being “literal.” It is based upon a connection with Jesus, and this connection is not dependent upon a literal or non-literal interpretation of John 6. Jesus did say “do this in remembrance of Me;” so it cannot be too far off to take it as symbolic; unless, of course, you do not wish to “interpret” the word “remembrance” literally.
I think that one of the hardest things for any Protestant to comprehend about Catholics is our worship of the Eucharist. We believe the sacrament is certainly necessary for salvation because Jesus is necessary for salvation. The Eucharist is Jesus.
Note well how our Protestant friend selects his snippets of scripture to suite his purpose. He quotes the Gospel where Jesus says “Do this in remembrance of me.” What he does not quote is very telling. Immediately before saying “Do this in remembrance of me.” Jesus says : Luke 22, 19 “And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you.”
This is repeated in all four gospels, and in St Paul’s Epistle to the Corinthians. Yet Protestants including SDA will typically ignore these and any other passages that don’t fit into their beliefs.
 
Hi P101,

I find it exremely amazing for a Seventh-day Adventist - especially a Seventh-day Adventist - to take a command from God to REMEMBER, and call it symbolic…especially when what Jesus is asking us to remember is Him…unless you do not wish to interpret HIM as literal.

God bless all!!!
Jesus is literal on the cross; not in a slice of bread or a beaker of “wine.” All believers have access to His shed blood, through faith. The remembrance is a literal experience of faith; yet, the bread and the wine cannot be literal; for Christ crucified on Calvary is the literal part.

I am sorry, Patrick, that you apparently missed the truly amazing part of my last post.
 
You really should stop calling Jesus a liar. Satan is the father of all liars, Satan is not Jesus’ father.

You need to consider what “remember” means to a Jew. Also, by your interpretation that day you are so fond of also becomes no more than a symbol . . . “Remember the Sabbath Day”. If just remembering it keeps it holy, you really don’t need to “observe” it do you?🤷
 
I think that one of the hardest things for any Protestant to comprehend about Catholics is our worship of the Eucharist. We believe the sacrament is certainly necessary for salvation because Jesus is necessary for salvation. The Eucharist is Jesus.
Note well how our Protestant friend selects his snippets of scripture to suite his purpose. He quotes the Gospel where Jesus says “Do this in remembrance of me.” What he does not quote is very telling. Immediately before saying “Do this in remembrance of me.” Jesus says : Luke 22, 19 “And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you.”
This is repeated in all four gospels, and in St Paul’s Epistle to the Corinthians. Yet Protestants including SDA will typically ignore these and any other passages that don’t fit into their beliefs.
"Protestants this, and Protestants that! Catholics this and Catholics that! Wow! What a way to relate “truth.”

Often, when I or someone else quotes a scripture, we do it with the understanding that readers already know various verses before and ofter; so there is not always a need to quote the whole Bible to someone to make just one individual point Jesus said in those verses you quoted “This is My body,” plus “take eat,” plus “do this in remembrance” and all 3 were all one complete whole. You can’t separate them. The Word rememberance has to be talking about something symbolic; otherwise, the cross is not needed. You can just take part in His shed blood at the Eucharist - no need for Calvary . Just drink it out of a cup and get the same atonement benefit? That’s why Jesus says “remember” so that we can safely presume that he is using symbolism, in regards to the bread and the wine
 
You really should stop calling Jesus a liar. Satan is the father of all liars, Satan is not Jesus’ father.

You need to consider what “remember” means to a Jew. Also, by your interpretation that day you are so fond of also becomes no more than a symbol . . . “Remember the Sabbath Day”. If just remembering it keeps it holy, you really don’t need to “observe” it do you?🤷
Hi Marsha! God bless you! I am fond of every day. I agree that Jesus is not a liar.
 
"Often, when I or someone else quotes a scripture, we do it with the understanding that readers already know various verses before and ofter; so there is not always a need to quote the whole Bible to someone to make just one individual point Jesus said in those verses you quoted “This is My body,” plus “take eat,” plus “do this in remembrance” and all 3 were all one complete whole. You can’t separate them. The Word rememberance has to be talking about something symbolic; otherwise, the cross is not needed. You can just take part in His shed blood at the Eucharist - no need for Calvary . Just drink it out of a cup and get the same atonement benefit? That’s why Jesus says “remember” so that we can safely presume that he is using symbolism, in regards to the bread and the wine
It’s not about quoting the whole Bible, but taking one individual scripture out of context. It’s about accepting one half of a statement Jesus makes, then ignoring the other half. Taking communion in no way negates or reduces what happened on Calvary. And why would remembrance ever be taken symbolically? Jesus is asking us to remember him in a very real and literal way. We know he intends the first half of the statement to be taken literally otherwise he would have said: “Take this and eat it is like my body…” But he doesn’t say that ….In all 4 Gospels and the Epistle of St Paul to the Corinthians he phrases it the same exact way…”This* is *my body” We take the whole statement literally. We remember him when we eat his flesh and drink his blood. Which is what he commanded that we do.
 
It’s not about quoting the whole Bible, but taking one individual scripture out of context. It’s about accepting one half of a statement Jesus makes, then ignoring the other half. Taking communion in no way negates or reduces what happened on Calvary. And why would remembrance ever be taken symbolically? Jesus is asking us to remember him in a very real and literal way. We know he intends the first half of the statement to be taken literally otherwise he would have said: “Take this and eat it is like my body…” But he doesn’t say that ….In all 4 Gospels and the Epistle of St Paul to the Corinthians he phrases it the same exact way…”This* is *my body” We take the whole statement literally. We remember him when we eat his flesh and drink his blood. Which is what he commanded that we do.
I just said I did not ignore the text, so why keep trying to say i did? I know what I did.

What I am proposing here about the bread and the wine is absolutely no different than calling “faith” a “shield.” It’s not a literal shield. (Eph 6:16)
 
The Word rememberance has to be talking about something symbolic; otherwise, the cross is not needed. You can just take part in His shed blood at the Eucharist - no need for Calvary . Just drink it out of a cup and get the same atonement benefit? That’s why Jesus says “remember” so that we can safely presume that he is using symbolism, in regards to the bread and the wine
Hi P101

Without Calvary there would be no Eucharist. That is why Jesus set it in place before His death and commanded His followers to do this.

Study Passover in the Bible. To be saved the Jews needed faith in God, they also needed to eat the Passover Lamb.

Jesus is the True Passover Lamb. Through faith in His sacrifice on the cross we come to Him for salvation. Through eating His body and drinking His blood as He commanded at the Last Supper, we eat the True Passover Lamb, and we are saved from sin and death.

This isn’t something the Catholic Church dreamed up. This is what the Bible teaches. This is what Jesus taught and commanded us to do.

Calvary, faith, salvation, grace, The Lord’s supper, are not seperate aspects…they are all one…because Jesus said so.

Drinking Jesus’ Blood and eating Jesus’ Body is taking part in Jesus’ death on the cross and His resurrection. In drinking Jesus’ precious blood shed for us, and in eating Jesus’ Body given for us, we receive the entire reality of atonement and salvation through faith, which is Spirit, and through His actual body and blood, sacrificed for us which is the physical reality of the Incarnation.

Jesus blessed us with this!

Wasn’t it you who said something about the Gospel being simply beautiful. It doesn’t get much more simple than this. Praise God!!

God bless all!!!
 
I just said I did not ignore the text, so why keep trying to say i did? I know what I did.
Because you left the first half of Jesus statement out of your first quote. I assumed you meant to leave it out intentionally because you do not believe that the statement “this is my body” should be taken literally. Isn’t that why you left it out?
What I am proposing here about the bread and the wine is absolutely no different than calling “faith” a “shield.” It’s not a literal shield. (Eph 6:16)
We Catholics disagree. In your quote from Ephesians, “In all things taking the shield of faith,…” The word shield in this sentence is used as an adjective to describe what faith is, and will do for us(shield us).

References to the bread and wine are not used as adjectives or simile, but rather are described as being exactly the same as the body and blood of our Lord.

1st Cor: 10,16 The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?

Matt 26:26 And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. 27 And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.
 
Hi P101

Without Calvary there would be no Eucharist. That is why Jesus set it in place before His death and commanded His followers to do this.
Without Calvary, you can’t be saved; without Eucharist, you can be saved. (Heb 9:22, 28)
 
Because you left the first half of Jesus statement out of your first quote. I assumed you meant to leave it out intentionally because you do not believe that the statement “this is my body” should be taken literally. Isn’t that why you left it out?

We Catholics disagree. In your quote from Ephesians, “In all things taking the shield of faith,…” The word shield in this sentence is used as an adjective to describe what faith is, and will do for us(shield us).

References to the bread and wine are not used as adjectives or simile, but rather are described as being exactly the same as the body and blood of our Lord…
Correct my friend; they are used as “metaphor.”
 
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